Canada prosperity: Hard Work (yes), Fair Play (is it?) & Due Process: PRs Voice?

[dabas]

Canada prosperity hinged on: Hard Work (yes), Fair Play (is it fair) and Due Process (is CIC accountable?)

Since I joined this community few days ago, I have read 10s of appalling and sad stories of unfairness and undue delay?

1. Who is the voice of immigrants? is there any?
2. How can immigrants hold CIC accountable?
3. Is there a complaint procedure?
4. When it is unfair, can an applicant commence the litigation process?

 

[DigitalDestiny]

Dude, PR is a privilege not a right !. CIC is neither guaranteeing prosperity nor forcing people to come to Canada. It's us who want to go to Canada. All risks is ours. Any success or failure is ours.

Life in Canada or for that matter, in any new country - is never easy for new immigrants

 

[Aragorn165]

What are you talking about? The immigration procedure, or permanent residence after immigration? I mean, your post doesn't make sense either way, but at least I can sort of see some logic that may have motivated the former question, even if I don't agree with it.

 

[dabas]

This topic is about the undue delay and the undue process by CIC of immigrants' applications. There is no place on earth in which one can wait for a response or update for such 3 years and 4 years and still do not get it. Is that the due process and fair play we learn in "Discover Canada"?

This post is about the members of this fourmm who left their life and country behind and came to Canada on that promise of "Fair Play and Due Process", but it turned up neither Fair nor Due. This thread is requesting response to the following questions:

1. Who is the voice of immigrants? is there any?
2. How can immigrants hold CIC accountable? Can you take CIC to court whilst waiting a decision for 3 or 4 years or for anything else?
3. Is there a complaint procedure? about the appaling service and lack of updates?
4. When it is unfair, can an applicant commence the litigation process? is it that CIC can only take applicants to Court but the reverse is not possible?

 

[kateg]

Canada prosperity hinged on: Hard Work (yes), Fair Play (is it fair) and Due Process (is CIC accountable?)

Some of the hardest working people I know are janitors. They are not particularly prosperous.

Prosperity requires several things: Hard work, towards something of value, and a system that protects what is earned.

If you work all day digging a hole, then the next day filling it, you get nothing. If you get robbed every day, you keep nothing.

Since I joined this community few days ago, I have read 10s of appalling and sad stories of unfairness and undue delay?

That is like complaining that dinner is late when someone invites you over for dinner. You are the guest, and they set the schedule. If you don't like the way the host does things, you're free to leave and not eat dinner with them.

1. Who is the voice of immigrants? is there any?

Generally, immigrants are the voice of immigrants. Since permanent residents can't vote, the government doesn't really care too much about their wishes until they get citizenship.

2. How can immigrants hold CIC accountable?

Accountable for what? They promise you nothing, and you might get something. You are entitled to procedural fairness, which means that they won't treat you in a demeaning or arbitrary way, and that they will follow the law. They do, and you are entitled to nothing more.

3. Is there a complaint procedure?

For what? It takes longer than you want it to? You can call and talk to the phone representatives, who will tell you to call later. If you live in Canada, you can talk to your MP.

4. When it is unfair, can an applicant commence the litigation process?

You can attempt it, and it will likely result in your case being thrown out:

http://www.visaplace.com/blog-immigration-law/investor-immigration/chinese-investor-law-suits-thrown/

“[T]here is no absolute right to the issuance of a visa following the mere fact of having made an application,” Justice Mary Gleason wrote in her ruling.

“Would-be investor immigrants to Canada had no legitimate expectation of a visa or Canadian residency, and that the government acted within the law”.

Occasionally, an individual or two wins, and compels faster processing:

http://cases.slaw.ca/post/35778876119/liang-v-canada-minister-of-citizenship-and

It's expensive, and a gamble.

 

[kateg]

This topic is about the undue delay and the undue process by CIC of immigrants' applications. There is no place on earth in which one can wait for a response or update for such 3 years and 4 years and still do not get it. Is that the due process and fair play we learn in "Discover Canada"?

3 to 4 years is far from unreasonable. The US is much worse:

This post is about the members of this fourmm who left their life and country behind and came to Canada on that promise of "Fair Play and Due Process", but it turned up neither Fair nor Due. This thread is requesting response to the following questions:

If they came to Canada as a Permanent Resident, then they have their status. If the came as a Temporary Foreign Worker or Temporary Resident with a Study Permit, then they have been treated entirely fairly. TFWS and students agree to leave upon expiration of their status or completion of their studies.

Who is it that you speak of who "came to Canada", but does not have the status to which they are entitled by right?