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BOWP refused even after attaching AOR

luvcanvisa

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Apr 7, 2014
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06-12-2013
AOR Received.
24-01-2014
IELTS Request
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05-08-2014 (ECAS In Process)
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11-08-2014 ECAS status on 18-08-2014 - medical received, RPRF recd 26-09-2014, paid same day
Applied onine Apr 3, got refusal Apr 29. I got refused today stating that they did not receive my AOR. I did attach before submitting online. They also said that my current WP expires on Sep 26 and hence its not within 4 months. I wrote them an email - attached the original explanation letter, AOR and asked them to reconsider. I got an automated email yesterday that application has been updated but no updated in myCIC account. I hope they will approve my case after seeing the AOR. Do you think I am on right track or should I do something else?

Thanks a lot for your help guys
 

Matt the Aussie

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Mar 27, 2014
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12-03-2014
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11-04-2014
The issue is not the AOR, it's the validity of your current work permit. It has to be within 4 months of expiry. You're close, but you will need to hold off from applying until you are within 4 months (i.e. May 27).
 

luvcanvisa

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Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-12-2013
AOR Received.
24-01-2014
IELTS Request
sent with the application
File Transfer...
05-08-2014 (ECAS In Process)
Med's Request
06-08-2014
Med's Done....
11-08-2014 ECAS status on 18-08-2014 - medical received, RPRF recd 26-09-2014, paid same day
the contract between my company and client is ending tomorrow - may 2 . hence I applied for BOWP. the client wants me to join them starting monday but without the BOWP I cant :-(...I am so tensed. I have to support my whole family here and I hope they approve ( please note - I havent re applied) I have just send email to question@cic and I got an email saying there is an update on my app. Do you think they are revisiting as per my request?
 

Matt the Aussie

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Med's Done....
18-02-2014
VISA ISSUED...
12-03-2014
LANDED..........
11-04-2014
They could be...but the rules for the BOWP are very clear about needing to have less than 4 months left on the original permit.
 

LPS

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07-03-2014
Med's Done....
26-03-2014
LANDED..........
09-04-2014
This is something a few people have reported. Their BOWP refusal letter stated two reasons - one, no evidence of a positive eligibility decision (AOR), and two, a work permit with more than four months left - where only one of these conditions was true. It seems that this is a standard email template that they send out for refusals, without first deleting the reason that does not apply (in your case the AOR one).
 

luvcanvisa

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Apr 7, 2014
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-12-2013
AOR Received.
24-01-2014
IELTS Request
sent with the application
File Transfer...
05-08-2014 (ECAS In Process)
Med's Request
06-08-2014
Med's Done....
11-08-2014 ECAS status on 18-08-2014 - medical received, RPRF recd 26-09-2014, paid same day
LPS said:
This is something a few people have reported. Their BOWP refusal letter stated two reasons - one, no evidence of a positive eligibility decision (AOR), and two, a work permit with more than four months left - where only one of these conditions was true. It seems that this is a standard email template that they send out for refusals, without first deleting the reason that does not apply (in your case the AOR one).
So you dont think I will get an approval even after sending all the required information in the email? I have high hopes they will approve by next week or so....
 

LPS

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07-03-2014
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26-03-2014
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09-04-2014
It's possible but I would urge you to consider other options.

You have basically asked them to bend the four-month rule on compassionate grounds. Since the updated OB485-A (September 19, 2013), I have not heard of anyone successfully doing this. That bulletin restated the four-month rule in stronger terms.
 

Matt the Aussie

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LPS said:
It's possible but I would urge you to consider other options.

You have basically asked them to bend the four-month rule on compassionate grounds. Since the updated OB485-A (September 19, 2013), I have not heard of anyone successfully doing this. That bulletin restated the four-month rule in stronger terms.
Second this.

Have you considered speaking to your new employer and showing proof of the conditions of applying? Search for OB485-A on the CIC website and you will see that is what the IO uses to process BOWPs.
 

luvcanvisa

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Apr 7, 2014
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Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-12-2013
AOR Received.
24-01-2014
IELTS Request
sent with the application
File Transfer...
05-08-2014 (ECAS In Process)
Med's Request
06-08-2014
Med's Done....
11-08-2014 ECAS status on 18-08-2014 - medical received, RPRF recd 26-09-2014, paid same day
LPS said:
It's possible but I would urge you to consider other options.

You have basically asked them to bend the four-month rule on compassionate grounds. Since the updated OB485-A (September 19, 2013), I have not heard of anyone successfully doing this. That bulletin restated the four-month rule in stronger terms.
I am desperate for BOWP because I am not sure if the new employer can wait until I apply on May 26th and then wait for 15-20 days. I am just too scared to ask this. they may say no right away and void the offer.

why did i get that email even after the case is closed? I am thinking they are reviewing it again. this cannot be a glitch, can it be a glitch? I did receive 2 such emails and I know they were glicthces but why a glitch after the case is closed?

I am just desperately hoping to receive BOWP. Also do you think I should call them and follow up - tell them about my email and ask whats going on?
 

nskschatten

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I received a BOWP with a closed work permit valid for another two years. I changed employers therefore the lawyers asked for "functional equivalent" of 4 month or less. The request was granted. You need a good cover letter and supporting documents. But in the end its the VO discresion
 

LPS

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nskschatten said:
I received a BOWP with a closed work permit valid for another two years. I changed employers therefore the lawyers asked for "functional equivalent" of 4 month or less. The request was granted. You need a good cover letter and supporting documents. But in the end its the VO discresion
You must have had a good lawyer. What do you mean, you changed employers? In what way is two years "functionally equivalent" to four months???
 

Matt the Aussie

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LPS said:
You must have had a good lawyer. What do you mean, you changed employers? In what way is two years "functionally equivalent" to four months???
Perhaps because the Work Permit was closed and employment with that company ended they considered it was of 0 value?

I wouldn't rely on that happening again in someone else's situation...
 

thisisauser

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It's a matter of spirit vs. letter of the law or rule in this case.

If VO follows the letter, they absolutely should not consider any exceptions to the 4 months rule.

If VO follows the spirit of BOWP which is to make life more convenient for those in transition to PR, then they would consider exceptions. 4 months is an arbitrary time period anyway.

But, you can't bank on being lucky that way.
 

MenicMonday

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nskschatten said:
I received a BOWP with a closed work permit valid for another two years. I changed employers therefore the lawyers asked for "functional equivalent" of 4 month or less. The request was granted. You need a good cover letter and supporting documents. But in the end its the VO discresion
But did you pull this off prior to Sept 2013?
 

ZingyDNA

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Matt the Aussie said:
Perhaps because the Work Permit was closed and employment with that company ended they considered it was of 0 value?

I wouldn't rely on that happening again in someone else's situation...
Yeah a closed WP with 100 years validity means squat if you have a new employer...