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I'm stunned to see in my family, particularly my mother, the ratial bias, paranoia, almost hatred that seems to exists towards my Russian wife. How have the rest of you dealt with this as you have arranged to bring you foreign spouse into Canada, and make them feel welcome here - no longer a foreigner, but a contibuting Canadian?
 
excellent topic...will weigh in on this another time, but it should be something we talk about (openly without judgement)...
 
When I told my mother that I was dating a Nigerian man living in London, UK, she lost her mind! I did not know how racist she was until that moment. She told me that I would live a life of poverty and misery. That I am out of the will because 'not a penny of her money would go to support that lowlife' - she knew nothing about him except that he was black, and grew up in Nigeria.

She didn't speak to me for 7 months.

Once we started talking again she changed the subject every time it came up. She was upset to learn that we were engaged, and horrified to learn that we plan to have children together. Things have improved since Christmas, and while I know she is not happy about this, and it is not her first choice, she has come to terms with it, and even sent me good wishes on my wedding day.

The frustrating part is that because he cannot get a TRV, she has no chance to meet him until he lands, which will be at least another 12-18 months (processing through Accra) In fact, that was ammunition for her attack against him - if he can't even VISIT Canada, why on earth should he be allowed to live here? :'(

I have no advice, only my story to share. So many of us here face many obstacles - many of us met online, are in love with people of difference races and cultures. Most people wouldn't have long-distance relationships, or put through all the effort we have to be with our partners.

I'm sorry your family is not accepting of your wife. I hope that with time this will change. Heck, if there is hope for my 1950s Alberta Oil-Money Red Neck mother to accept the fact that she is going to have a black son-in-law and black grandchildren, I think there is hope for anyone!
 
Well, being half-Russian I can't give you an objective advice, but I believe that such a negative attitude towards Russian wifes became a popular opinion after 90's after USSR collapse. Too many negative experiences... but check the history - many Europeans, Asianswere looking to marry Russian women.

I would advise you to get your family tree - how many relatives are native canadians? also you can ask your wife who were her grand grands... You can find lots of interesting things
 
Time heals everything! The unknown is scary to some. Once the spouse arrives and the family sees how the couple gets along, and then interacts with the new arrival feelings are bound to shift.

It's important not to take things personally and not to be angry at the family member that is having difficulty accepting your decision. You have gotten to know your spouse the family member has no idea who they really are what they really think.

My husbands father was totally against us marrying. I am twenty years older than my husband, I've been divorced, have children, and I'm not Muslim. For a tradational Muslim father anyone of those things individually would have been a challenge to accept let alone all of them. He refused to attend our wedding and also didn't let anyone in the family attend.

I didn't take it personally. They didn't know me at all. Since then I have met his father, mother and sisters. They came to visit us and stayed for a weekend while I was in Morocco. It was great to meet them and I know they left with a differnt impression.

The important thing is to respect everyone and give them time to adjust to how their world is going to change.


Loving hearts melt cold ones!
 
Hmmm...interesting topic

The relationship between mother, son and daughter-in law, is too complicated though it is variable from a culture to another. The fact remains that the biased and prejudiced minds exist in every culture and everywhere in the world. There is no question on how much the mother love her son and on how she continues to think of him as "HER BABY". As in the wild, the lioness or tigress or others can kill the invaders of her little ones, human mothers still have some of this attitude. Means, mom can be "over protecting" to the point it can hurt her little baby. The subject and jokes of mother in law, daughter in law does exist in all cultures and languages. Having said that, we are grateful to our parents and we acknowledge they brought us to life and they do love us more even than they love themselves. We should also humble ourselves and listen to their experiences and expectation. They are not always wrong.
I can give you a true life experience. My older sister was 20 y at the time she was planning to get married to "her sweetheart". He was the handsome guy of the area, of big rich family, well educated and every woman would die to have him. My father advised her against the guy and took his time to explain and make the logic. She was totally overwhelmed and refused to listen. She thought the earth would bang if she lost her sweetheart. Finally, my late father came and make his decision and mind clear. he said to her in front of all of us "Out of my love to you daughter, ONLY on my body you would marry this guy". We all were surprised, shocked and devastated. Time is a healer. She later got engaged and then married to a simple man, from a simple family. He is the most loving man ever. he is our brother before our own flesh brothers. She loves him and lives happily with him and her lovely kids. The other man ended with 3 marriages, 2 divorces, odd activities.....imprisoned etc etc. My father was seeing what we could never see at a that stage. My sister is grateful to her dad. When I ask her about this experience, she always gives advice we listen to our loving parents and take their views into our considerartion
 
Wow im glad to have the family i have then.My wife is a very brown Brazilian, and my parents, sister, brothers,sister- in- laws love my wife so much, they talk to her everyday through face book,my wife calls them sister and brothers and calls my mom mummy and my dad daddy and they love her like crazy, even her son who is from a father who has never even seen him, my parents call him their little boy(grandson) my daughters from my previous marriage cant wait till their brother is here.
I feel so bad that rasism is still here and alive.Its crazy as long as they love you treat you well who the hell cares what color their skin is from or where there from.
Good god it is just so crazy.
 
I am white Canadian and my husband is from India. His family has accepted me with open arms and I am extremely close to them. I was not really keen to tell my family about him but I kept mentioning him in our converstations. My parents didnt say much they knew that something was happening and that I was starting to fall in love. I had showed them pictures of him and although he is not very dark skinned my parents didnt say much about him, just said he was cute. When I planned my first trip there I had to hide it. I didnt know how they would react because it was internet thing and I knew they would object. Finally I broke the news and my mother I thought was going to beat me. She was angry and worried and thinking he was using me and only wanted into the country etc. It was difficult but although I respecting and understood her feelings, it was my life and my decision. It was not his race that concerned my parents but they were worried about motives. My mum and dad have talked to him many times and they now love him dearly and consider him as much a member of the family as the other son inlaws. She said he is the nicest man she has ever spoken too. My two youngest sisters were not in agreement, because of his race. They were convinced I would have to wear a head to toe covering, walking a distance behind my man and in their words, stink like most indians do of curry and garlic. I was totally angry but thought I would enlighten them since they were ignorant of anything to do with those from India. Still they were rude and wouldnt even talk to him when he tried to chat with them online, they would always leave, never trying to find out anything about him or even have a convo with him. They just judged him knowing nothing about him or indian culture. My sisters still have nothing to do with me or my kids for 4 years. They call me the white indian since I make indian dishes and have many beautiful indian dresses that my husband and his family gave me. I wear them with pride and it makes me feel close to my husband I dont care what people thing when I wear the salwar suit I wear it as an honour to my husband and I like wearing it. I feel like I have a family when I am with my husbands family I have a sense of belonging that I dont have with my own family. I am not allowed to go to family gatherings since my sisters wont come if I am there so I have to stay way cause it stresses my mother out that my sisters are mean when I am there. I dont apologize for loving a man from another race. He is the best thing that has every happened to me I am sorry for those that have blinders on when it comes to love and cant see beyond the skin. Someones worth has nothing to do with color its much deeper than thats, its the heart. the heart has no color and sees no color and it loves unconditonally. I have the love I have dreamed of and he just happens to be beautifully brown
 
I am amazed that such racism still exists, and -- like one other poster -- I am grateful for having the family I do have. They are completely accepting of and welcoming to my wife.

Of course, if they weren't I'd cut them out of my Will!!!! :P
 
Well mt friends you love who you love you cant control it.You can try to walk away but everytime you think you will think about the one you let get away.You love who you love and what others say will bounce off as soon as you get home to your loved ones arms.
I thought people of Canada were more acceptable of this but obvious im blind to it or something.Well i cant imagine it ever.I teach my children that it does not mater the color their skin is or if its two men or two women,As long as they love eachother and treat you well then they deserve your respect.
I think i would loose it if my children, parents, siblings, or any other in my life said anything negative to a person because of their race,color,or choice in life.
But they have never had this in their life so.My whole family are white Canadian born.My fathers good friend is from Pakistan,their other good friends are two gay guys,and they are at my parents for dinner all the time and my children are here and see it and think nothing of it.The only thing i have ever hear them say is when my dads friends came over for dinner and they brought some chicken curry and my girls said whats that starnge smell lol.But they tried it ate it and liked it lol.
So i guess its how you were brought up.
 
annabruce said:
I'm stunned to see in my family, particularly my mother, the ratial bias, paranoia, almost hatred that seems to exists towards my Russian wife. How have the rest of you dealt with this as you have arranged to bring you foreign spouse into Canada, and make them feel welcome here - no longer a foreigner, but a contibuting Canadian?
Have they met her yet, or talked to her? Probably once she is in Canada, they will slowly become more accepting. I certainly hope so. How distressing it must be to come to a foreign country for your spouse, and then to be rejected by his or her family.

Your family probably thinks she is just using you; hopefully once they meet her and see the two of you together, they'll calm down. I'm assuming she is white, and your family as well.

I also thought my parents weren't racist, up until I started dating a black guy. When you go out with or marry a person of a different race is when you find out just how tolerant your family really is.
 
Bruce i feel for you after going through all this and then deal with that.Like they said hopefully once they meet her and get to know her and see how much you love eachother and how well she treats you.Your parents turn around to you one day and say they are sorry.And show her all the love she deserves.
 
I guess I'm really lucky. I'm married to a man 15 yrs. my junior, I'm divorced, have kids and also am not Muslim (similar to a previous poster). My husband is 23, never married, no children, and is a Turkish Muslim (as are his family). My in-laws have always welcomed me with open arms. They treat me like an absolute queen! Despite CONSTANT attempts to help them around the house; they rarely let me. They are always pulling up a chair for me, getting a blanket or pillow for me, fetching my tea, etc. If I want to buy them dinner, I have to excuse myself to the washroom and pay the bill discretely or else they would never have it.
My own parents have never met my husband (he couldn't get a TRV), but they are happy as long as I'm happy.
Oddly enough, the only person who is upset about marriage is my ex. He's always calling my husband racist names (to our kids as well) and he constantly tells me my husband is only using me for a visa and he's gonna leave me for a younger woman the moment he steps foot on Canadian soil ... His comments wouldn't bother me so much; I'm just so upset he says these things to our kids :'(
 
my parents didnt bring us up to be rasists. We were raised to see the good in people no matter what background or color and that God created us all equal and He loves us all equal. I dont know what happened to my sisters. This is not how we were brought up. But its there loss. They have no idea what they are missing out on.

ps. iarblue, my husband makes an excellent goat meat curry and a to die for chicken biryani :P
 
Here's my deal. I'm a Caucasian American born and raised in the South (capital S intended). My generation is the first to go to integrated schools. I've never seen segregated bathrooms, etc but have been to places where it was tacitly understood to be "whites only" like country clubs or private restaurants. I knew my father had prejudices and judges people by the race, ethnicity, socio-economic status, and sexual orientation because he was raised in that kind of environment (plus he is old and stubborn and what HE thinks is right IS right. PERIOD). Fortunately, my brothers and I turned out differently though I think I have less bias than my brothers (as a school teacher one quickly learns to love and nurture all children). I'm more of the MLK type and try not to judge people until the content of their character has been revealed.

My guy has so many strikes against him in my father's eyes that he refused to meet him for the first three years of our relationship. Strike one, he's mixed race (dad black West Indian and his mom Caucasian French). Strike two, he's French (didn't see that one coming!). Strike three, he's divorced and has a child. Four, he is a Canadian citizen. What didn't seem to matter was that he was honorable and kind, extremely well-educated (holds a BS in physics, a masters in electrical engineering, an MBA in international business and is currently working on a Certification in Management Accounting) and speaks four languages, has a great job, is good to me, etc etc.

When dad finally agreed to meet him (we were coming to Charleston, South Carolina, my hometown for a week vacation) it was a 3 martini lunch for my dad! It was civil and polite. My brother and his wife were there so the conversation was a bit easier. After lunch my dad took my guy out to the parking lot for the "what are your intentions with my daughter" conversation. I think afterwards that my dad was relieved to finally see beyond what he pictured my guy to be in his mind.

It has been a few years now since that first meeting and though my parents are not eager to have him meet their friends or the other members of our extended family, he is welcome in their home. This Christmas we visited with his son who is 22. Dad thought the son was going to be some sullen teenager who needed constant entertainment. After getting to know the son, my dad complimented my guy on what a fine boy he had raised. One night after a few martinis, yep family tradition, my guy started telling my dad about how his father had served in the free French forces during WWII (my dad is a avid student of WWII history), stayed on in France after the war, met his mother, became a lawyer and then a judge. Dad learned that my guy and he shared similar philosophies on a variety of topics. And while my dad is not overly enthusiastic about the whole situation (after all, my guy took me out of the country and away from them) he seems much more settled and as come to terms with the situation. From here we plan to get the families together next summer on the coast of western France for a wedding. Will see how it goes. One step at a time, eh?