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[IRG]

Hi IRG:

I hate to emphasize this terrible news release, it has certainly made me very upset, but I urge everyone to read it again:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/media/releases/2012/2012-04-17.asp

It is actually a very clever way to get rid of many many applications. Rod mentioned they could have deleted us too, like pre 2008 people. But the point is, in this way they will not pay us a dime... they will simply say the rules changed, they affect you too, and now you don't qualify. Bye.

Look, if you are 35 and under, read and write English at a very high level, have high educational credentials, are in a NOC with high demand meaning you can get a job right now, then you are in... the rest, they don't want. Period. That is what they will be doing to all applicants.

Hi Cam, I can understand this post very clearly, but it's not the final, it's only proposal that has to be approved, and I'm sure corrected and adjusted with more details. They can't just say good buy to us, if say in our case we've already paid our Rprf and they cashed it, if they refuse our application they have to refund processing fee + rprf + additional family member fee, almost 2k CAD. Just Trying to stay positive

 

[Cam1234]

Hi Cam, I can understand this post very clearly, but it's not the final, it's only proposal that has to approved, and I'm sure corrected with more details. They can't just say good buy to us, if say in our case we've already paid our Rprf and they cashed it, if they refuse our application they have to refund processing fee + rprf + additional family member fee, almost 2k CAD. Trying to stay positive

I hope you guys are right and I'm wrong... for everybody's sake
They will give me a heart attack before I ever see my visa

Take care,
Cam

 

[mitali]

A very good point IRG, and the answer I believe is no. This is a very shrewd way to turn down thousands of applicants: "change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application."

So basically when the new laws are passed, in a month before the post June 2012 applicants, they will be applied to us as well... and many will simply get a letter saying under the new point system you don't qualify, goodbye.

This is beyond unfair and unjust, it is having no concern or regard to what you do to people; as long as they get the people they want everything is fine. Who cares if each of us spent thousands of dollars, months of work gathering documents, running around filling out applications... Frankly, I can't believe they are treating people this way.

Cam

Hi Cam,

I think otherwise regarding how they will be treating us who are in the MI3 and MI4 list......they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application......so the calculation of point sys will not change for these applicants. What might happen is that, some NOCs (which will be declared as a PRIORITY NOC) will jump forward from their queue of the past processing times and join the NEW queue for the year 2012. So, some NOCs from the past would benefit while others will take a backseat in their processing times......which will be unfortunate for them (the non priority NOC)...and will/may create a backlog. I dont think files would be rejected based on the rules as applicable to the forthcoming MI list.

The worst hit is the Buffalo VO.....if they (CIC) did something as to cancel the applications, I am sure atleast all Buffalo applicants would sue CIC....because they are not at fault for whatever "INTERNAL CALAMITY" they (CIC) had at the Buffalo office.

As we know that the last MI list applicants are observing their files status to be "IN PROCESS" too soon as compared to the previous MI list applicants. According to the rules, one cannot withdraw the files if the application goes "IN PROCESS"....now that is what I would call a "Brilliant strategy" to close the gates for a refund....."THEIR HOME....THEIR RULES".....but sad.

I also feel that with the new rules, not many ppl will be able to apply...so there might be less number of applicants for Cic....and hopefully, cic will get time to process the past applicants soon.

I SO SINCERELY PRAY THAT ALL OF YOU GET YOUR VISAS SOON and GET OVER WITH THIS OVERWHELMING TORTURE OF WAIT ......THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ETERNITY.

Mitali

 

[IRG]

Hi Cam,

I think otherwise regarding how they will be treating us who are in the MI3 and MI4 list......they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application......so the calculation of point sys will not change for these applicants. What might happen is that, some NOCs (which will be declared as a PRIORITY NOC) will jump forward from their queue of the past processing times and join the NEW queue for the year 2012. So, some NOCs from the past would benefit while others will take a backseat in their processing times......which will be unfortunate for them (the non priority NOC)...and will/may create a backlog. I dont think files would be rejected based on the rules as applicable to the forthcoming MI list.

The worst hit is the Buffalo VO.....if they (CIC) did something as to cancel the applications, I am sure atleast all Buffalo applicants would sue CIC....because they are not at fault for whatever "INTERNAL CALAMITY" they (CIC) had at the Buffalo office.

As we know that the last MI list applicants are observing their files status to be "IN PROCESS" too soon as compared to the previous MI list applicants. According to the rules, one cannot withdraw the files if the application goes "IN PROCESS"....now that is what I would call a "Brilliant strategy" to close the gates for a refund....."THEIR HOME....THEIR RULES".....but sad.

I also feel that with the new rules, not many ppl will be able to apply...so there might be less number of applicants for Cic....and hopefully, cic will get time to process the past applicants soon.

I SO SINCERELY PRAY THAT ALL OF YOU GET YOUR VISAS SOON and GET OVER WITH THIS OVERWHELMING TORTURE OF WAIT ......THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ETERNITY.

Mitali

Well said Mitali, I totally agree with your first paragraph. And I'll b praying for they won't refuse any of us)))

 

[Cam1234]

Hi Cam,

I think otherwise regarding how they will be treating us who are in the MI3 and MI4 list......they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application......so the calculation of point sys will not change for these applicants. What might happen is that, some NOCs (which will be declared as a PRIORITY NOC) will jump forward from their queue of the past processing times and join the NEW queue for the year 2012. So, some NOCs from the past would benefit while others will take a backseat in their processing times......which will be unfortunate for them (the non priority NOC)...and will/may create a backlog. I dont think files would be rejected based on the rules as applicable to the forthcoming MI list.

The worst hit is the Buffalo VO.....if they (CIC) did something as to cancel the applications, I am sure atleast all Buffalo applicants would sue CIC....because they are not at fault for whatever "INTERNAL CALAMITY" they (CIC) had at the Buffalo office.

As we know that the last MI list applicants are observing their files status to be "IN PROCESS" too soon as compared to the previous MI list applicants. According to the rules, one cannot withdraw the files if the application goes "IN PROCESS"....now that is what I would call a "Brilliant strategy" to close the gates for a refund....."THEIR HOME....THEIR RULES".....but sad.

I also feel that with the new rules, not many ppl will be able to apply...so there might be less number of applicants for Cic....and hopefully, cic will get time to process the past applicants soon.

I SO SINCERELY PRAY THAT ALL OF YOU GET YOUR VISAS SOON and GET OVER WITH THIS OVERWHELMING TORTURE OF WAIT ......THAT SEEMS LIKE AN ETERNITY.

Mitali

Hi Mitali:

I hate to beat a dead horse, but you wrote:

"they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application."

Then what new regulations would apply to those who have already submitted their application, according to the article below?

"Today, Minister Kenney announced two additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. One proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application."

Thanks for your thoughts,
Cam

 

[mitali]

Hi Mitali:

I hate to beat a dead horse, but you wrote:

"they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application."

Then what new regulations would apply to those who have already submitted their application, according to the article below?

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application."

Thanks for your thoughts,
Cam

"to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application" ......to me it just means that the priority NOCs will jump ahead their counterparts. Remember, many of the applicants have already been assessed partially based on the rules applicable at that time, so for CIC to sieve through all those applications and start afresh assessment will be a mammoth job and will create confusion. The only easy way is to pull up these Priority NOC from the past and align them with new queue.

Mitali

 

[harry_aussie]

You are right Mitali. This is what the above said lines mean Cam1234. Dont take tension, enjoy your life. You will be through soon.

Best wishes ;D ;D ;D

 

[Cam1234]

"to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application" ......to me it just means that the priority NOCs will jump ahead their counterparts. Remember, many of the applicants have already been assessed partially based on the rules applicable at that time, so for CIC to sieve through all those applications and start afresh assessment will be a mammoth job and will create confusion. The only easy way is to pull up these Priority NOC from the past and align them with new queue.

Mitali

Hi Mitali:

I think any application that has had their points assessment done before the new rules has gone into effect will just proceed as before, but any application that has not had their points assessment done, will have to abide by the new point system.

Mitali it is in plain English below, the article says Minister Kenny is announcing TWO additional changes. The FIRST one, pointed out by you correctly, is that some NOCs will get priority over the other... What is the SECOND change mentioned by Minister Kenney in the article?

"Today, Minister Kenney announced TWO additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. ONE proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

(TWO)A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application."

I hope to god I am wrong, and you guys are correct, but what is the SECOND change Mr. Kenney is announcing then?

BTW, Retrospectively definition:
Applying to or influencing the past, directed to the past

Cam

 

[mandiebraxton]

I wish it is so easy to just chill and relax! One, applications are being processed in a haphazard manner with newer applicants sailing though and CIC shoving 'applications are processed in the order in which they are received' down our throats. And then there is this disturbing new regulation, which could worsen the situation for some applicants......
So you see harry, it is not so easy to just 'enjoy life' when you don't know what's gonna happen... ;D
*Mandie*

 

[pksr]

Please let me know will this prossible change impacts FSW 2 categaory(AEO) which is not counted based on NOC?
Looks Minister Keenny tries to improvise and address the immigration issues,but missing to consider the applicants who already applied and in queue. Good if this changes are effective in future applicants and not for the existing ones in queue waiting..


If anyone/group who could raise this concerns for the existing applicant to the ministry ,it will be great.Has anyone raised any concerns to the ministry before or planning one??

 

[Cappuccino]

Hi Mitali:

I hate to beat a dead horse, but you wrote:

"they are supposed to process our applications as per the rules applicable at the time of application."

Then what new regulations would apply to those who have already submitted their application, according to the article below?

"Today, Minister Kenney announced two additional changes that will help transform Canada's immigration system. One proposed change would help CIC ensure FSW applicants meet current labour market needs. It would allow new rules set out in Ministerial Instructions to apply to people who have already submitted an application. For example, instructions could place a priority on a specific occupation, such as doctors, and have existing applications from doctors processed first, regardless of where they are in the queue.

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application."

Thanks for your thoughts,
Cam

Hi Cam,

Thanks for posting this news.

I think Minister Kenney has now actually gone insane.

This reads to me that

a) They can prioritize any occupation in whichever order they like, at any time, regardless of when the application was received. So "ooh we need doctors this month, all these guys who only just applied get their visas right away, screw the guys who applied 8 months ago and are still waiting".

b) They can change the rules whenever they want and then retrospectively fail thousands of applications, some received as recently as a few months ago, which do not comply to the new rules, even though they were completely eligible at the time they applied and may have spent a lot of time and money on their applications.

This is now going beyond unfair and is not venturing into the realms of breaching human rights

I sincerely hope all the genuine applicants on here get their visas before this madman Kenney starts failing them for no fault of your own.

Wayne.

 

[novsaggi]

Hi Cam,

Thanks for posting this news.

I think Minister Kenney has now actually gone insane.

This reads to me that

a) They can prioritize any occupation in whichever order they like, at any time, regardless of when the application was received. So "ooh we need doctors this month, all these guys who only just applied get their visas right away, screw the guys who applied 8 months ago and are still waiting".

b) They can change the rules whenever they want and then retrospectively fail thousands of applications, some received as recently as a few months ago, which do not comply to the new rules, even though they were completely eligible at the time they applied and may have spent a lot of time and money on their applications.

This is now going beyond unfair and is not venturing into the realms of breaching human rights

I sincerely hope all the genuine applicants on here get their visas before this madman Kenney starts failing them for no fault of your own.

Wayne.

I agree about this situation
Couple of days back they "removed" backlog by paying back all pre 2008 applicants
now they r prioritizing abt NOC
dunno what next step will they take ?

 

[9jcanada]

Hi Cam,

Thanks for posting this news.

I think Minister Kenney has now actually gone insane.

This reads to me that

a) They can prioritize any occupation in whichever order they like, at any time, regardless of when the application was received. So "ooh we need doctors this month, all these guys who only just applied get their visas right away, screw the guys who applied 8 months ago and are still waiting".

b) They can change the rules whenever they want and then retrospectively fail thousands of applications, some received as recently as a few months ago, which do not comply to the new rules, even though they were completely eligible at the time they applied and may have spent a lot of time and money on their applications.

This is now going beyond unfair and is not venturing into the realms of breaching human rights

I sincerely hope all the genuine applicants on here get their visas before this madman Kenney starts failing them for no fault of your own.

Wayne.

Here's a second opinion: Jason Kennedy's diagnosis of Insanity is hereby confirmed

I also think this is something every applicants should be worried about. Considering what is about to happen to the 'Pre-Juners', I don't think we should take this with levity. It looks like JK is playing to only one thing, his own political agenda. It doesn't matter how many immigrant prospective immigrants are scr&%ed in the process.

Somebody's got to stop this dude and fast

9j

 

[Cappuccino]

Hmm so people are saying that the 2nd part simply means that the prioritization of NOCs will apply to existing applicants as well as new ones?

If that's the case, they won't actually retrospectively fail applications which don't conform to the new rules.

But having already canned 280,000 honest applications, I wouldn't put anything past them tbh.

Wayne.

 

[Cappuccino]

A similar change would allow new regulations, once approved, to apply retrospectively to people who have already submitted an application. These changes would help ensure that immigrants are chosen based on Canada’s current needs and priorities.

That can really have several meanings IMO.

But one meaning is certainly "when we make new regulations, we can apply them retrospectively to existing applications", meaning "we can fail existing applications whenever we change the rules, even if they were eligible at the time they applied".