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[Advance123]

I disagree with you, my friend.

It is so much more than an AOR.

Based on a review of the information you have provided, your application has received a positive final determination of eligibility for processing

The CIC can't write the "final" word in such a formal way without meaning it.

Eligibility at CIC does not guarantee issue of a Visa. Visa Officers have a final say after a thorough verification of documents. The CIO simply ensures that a complete set of documents are being sent over to the VO so that the VO can concentrate on verification and not eligibilty. This is what the June 26 rule is all about.

 

[Amro Elsayed]

Hi, please add me to the list.

Local Office: Buffalo
NOC # 1233

Applied on 12/10/2010
Accepted on 12/20/2010
Debit CC on 12/23/2010

Currently waiting for my PER.

My friend you have been updated to the spread sheet hope you send us any updates in your application

Amro

 

[Advance123]

I think you mean CIO and not CIC in your post, because CIO and VO are both part of CIC.

Pardon me, CIO.

 

[Cam1234]

Hello again:

Well, I went over the OP6 and re-read some parts and you may be correct, read below:

Section 7.3. Applications that meet the criteria of the Ministerial Instructions issued June 26, 2010

If the application is determined to meet the criteria of the MI and to be eligible for processing, the
CIO will proceed to processing the application against the FSW minimal requirements and the
cost recovery fee is no longer refundable.
If Then the application corresponds to the Instructions,
-The CIO will proceed with processing the application against
FSW minimal requirements (Section 11).

It doesn't actually say that after meeting MI requirements, that a PER is issued then the minimal requirements are assessed... I cannot locate where I read that. OP6 is very confusing, parts of it are guidelines for pre Feb 2007, parts are for post Feb 2007 to June 26 2010 and parts are for post June 26 2010... To complicate matters more there are parts that serve as guidelines for all periods mentioned above ??? In order to get a full understanding of everything, one has to read the whole guideline in its entirety.

Cam

Edit: The main point of concern for me was not the above, it was what will take place at the VO... where an officer at the VO will go over the entire application and make a selection decision...

Wayne:

OK, now I see where I may have gotten confused, Section 7.2 states:

7.2. Assessing applications against the Ministerial Instructions issued June 26, 2010
The CIO will assess the applicant‘s submission as-is and make a final determination of eligibility
under the MI issued on June 26, 2010. To be eligible for processing, the applicant must meet all
the criteria described in the MI. If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be
informed.

They don't mention Assessing the application against the 6 FSW selection criteria here, and later they say the 6 FSW selection criteria follows assessing applications against MI.... All in all, after reading everything again, I agree with you Wayne.

Cam

 

[ralfee]

Anilbhai,

My PER is here for me... Thank you GOD for everything.... MY details are:
1122 | Sent: 18-Sep-2010 | Received: 23-Sep-2010 | BD: 08-Oct-2010 | PER: 27-Jan-2010

Please add the details and turn it neela.

Congrats Mptocanada

 

[canady]

Eligibility at CIC does not guarantee issue of a Visa. Visa Officers have a final say after a thorough verification of documents. The CIO simply ensures that a complete set of documents are being sent over to the VO so that the VO can concentrate on verification and not eligibilty. This is what the June 26 rule is all about.

I didn't mean that "final" means issue the visa, i meant that the PER guarantee that we are eligible for immigration by CIO decision. Then the VO will start their work which is background & security check.

 

[9jcanada]

I can understand why people may be confused with the process flow for the Post 26/06 applicants. A simple read through of the OP6 document is enough to confuse anyone. It is relatively clearer what the process entails within CIO. What we don't know hasn't been made clear by CIC is the process involved once the files transfer to VOs. A simple flowchart by the CIC would certainly help to make things clearer.

 

[Advance123]

I didn't mean that "final" means issue the visa, i meant that the PER guarantee that we are eligible for immigration by CIO decision. Then the VO will start their work which is background & security check.

The AOR is simply telling you that your documents have been accepted by the CIO for onward processing. It is checked to make sure that the application meets the 6 points MI and that you score over 67 points. If you don't qualify you don't get an AOR and your application is returned with the fee coming later. This is why they always write applicants whose appications are returned that they have kept no records of the application. An AOR is what it is. An acknowledgement. You don't get an acknowledgement if your documentation is not complete or you don't score at least 67 points. The main processing is by the VO. They have local knowledge and can verify documents or even arrange interviews. The CIO can't.

 

[Advance123]

I can understand why people may be confused with the process flow for the Post 26/06 applicants. A simple read through of the Po6 document is enough to confuse any one. I think a simple flowchart by the CIC would help to make thing clearer.

The Po6 contains lawyer speak. It is meant to be complicated. You use it best if you can decipher/ interpret it adequately for your purpose.

 

[Pippin]

It is great to read this healthy debate and especially that it is a challenge of ideas and NOT personalities. Thanks for keeping the right tone, everyone. What struck me is the quote that the application has received a positive final determination of eligibility FOR PROCESSING. I think we have all been putting the emphasis on it being a positive final determination, full stop. It is obviously not. That determination will still be made by VO, I think.....

 

[9jcanada]

The Po6 contains lawyer speak. It is meant to be complicated. You use it best if you can decipher/ interpret it adequately for your purpose.

I respectfully beg to disagree, there is very little "lawyer speak" in the document and I have read it many times before and as many as twice today. Not enough details on post 26/6 procedures? - Yes, but definitely nothing legalistic if that's what you are alluding to.

For those who have been following this thread, there is enough evidence here to corroborate the fact and agree with limited info on the OP6 doc regarding the role of the CIO re eligibility review. I doubt if the use of the phrase "Final Eligibility Review" was used loosely by the CIO for post 26/06 applicants who have received their "PER". Also considering that the pre 26/06 AOR does not use such phrase. Also the term Final Eligibility Review is consistent with section 7.2 of the OP6 doc which states:

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The CIO will assess the applicant‘s submission as-is and make a final determination of eligibility
under the MI issued on June 26, 2010. To be eligible for processing, the applicant must meet all
the criteria described in the MI. If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be
informed. Once processing has begun, the cost recovery fee is no longer refundable

However, (and this is my point in the post you quoted) putting the whole process in a simple chat would help to make the process easier to understand by everyone.

 

[Pippin]

BINGO...just got it...the FINAL DETERMINATION means the decision is based on the application AS IS. With post 26/6, no further docs are requested (in most cases) so the determination for further processing is considered FINAL, not provisional as it would have been in the pre 26/6 era when the documents were requested to be sent to VO specific for FINAL DETERMINATION.
Debate???

 

[Advance123]

I respectfully beg to disagree, there is very little "lawyer speak" in the document and I have read it many times before and as many as twice today. Not enough details on post 26/6 procedures? - Yes, but definitely nothing legalistic if that's what you are alluding to.

For those who have been following this thread, there is enough evidence here to corroborate the fact and agree with limited info on the OP6 doc regarding the role of the CIO re eligibility review. I doubt if the use of the phrase "Final Eligibility Review" was used loosely by the CIO for post 26/06 applicants who have received their "PER". Also considering that the pre 26/06 AOR does not use such phrase. Also the term Final Eligibility Review is consistent with section 7.2 of the OP6 doc which states:

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However, (and this is my point in the post you quoted) putting the whole process in a simple chat would help to make the process easier to understand by everyone.

To me and you it is confusing to lawyers it is very clear. This is why it is called lawyer speak. I could break down each of the statements in Po6 to mean all sorts of things. This is what lawyers do. You may wonder how I come to know and I can tell you that I am qualified to work as a paralegal. With regards to final eligibility, that is all it is eligibility which clearly doesn't translate to the issuance of a visa. you quoted " If the application is eligible for processing, the applicant will be informed". This is the AOR. People who are not eligible don't get the AOR. All the CIO does is confirm eligibility. Don't confuse the final with a conclusion of procedures. The final simply indicates that the applications meet with MIs. Eligibility will not be performed by VOs but verification will. You could be eligible but not qualified for a visa. A man could be an eligible bachelor but that doesn't translate to him getting married the next weekend or ever at all.

 

[queencougar]

The problem here is that no-one really understands what changes have been made to the system of processing and these are only being revealed as we, the vanguard of new applicants go through the new process.
The main changes so far are evident in the communication that applicants are receiving.
In the past, CIO only checked the forms, because that was all you used to send!
Then the Visa Office used to send the AOR and then a letter requesting the rest of the documents within 120 days (- birth certificate, qualifications, job references and contracts etc.)
This was sent when the VO actually received your file, but it did not mean that they were ready to do anything with it.
Applicants then had to check their status to find out when their file was described as "in process", which indicated their file was actually being looked at and some time after that they received a Medical Request and then Passport requests.
NOW CIO clearly check all the documentation for completeness and assess the points based on the whole pack. They then issue what we call PER. We should not call it AOR because it is much more than the old AOR.
This means that when it reaches the VO, they only have to do random checks, request the Police checks (if they have not been included at the start) and then they are ready to issue the Medical requests.
The guidelines being referred to by posters are most probably an amalgamation of all the rules that are currently being applied to applicants from Pre-June 26th and Post-June 26th. This is probably why it is confusing.
It is clear from the reasons currently being given for refusals as well as the wording of the new e-mail approvals that the system is now much more heavily weighted at the CIO end the VO has had a lot of their workload removed. This has also been reflected in the shortened processing times recently for applicants who had submitted their full pack under the old rules just before they changed. The VO has had a weight lifted from them by the change of processing system and so they have been able to get their backlog down.

 

[Advance123]

BINGO...just got it...the FINAL DETERMINATION means the decision is based on the application AS IS. With post 26/6, no further docs are requested (in most cases) so the determination for further processing is considered FINAL, not provisional as it would have been in the pre 26/6 era when the documents were requested to be sent to VO specific for FINAL DETERMINATION.
Debate???

You are right. the main difference is that the VO won't be bothered with eligibility. Their main concern is to verify suitability for a Visa which is done by scrutinizing questionable documents and background details. (Security and Medical). This is meant to speed up the process. In the past the VO will still process eligibility hence the request for documents. Now they work on the documents already submitted to the CIO.