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[TyrusX]

yaaaaaay!
I've got my PER today! B)

AWESOME!!! They finally got to the Jan applications. I hope soon everyone will have PER!

 

[asbereth]

3) CIO Sydney – Eligibility review
CIO then perform a complete eligibility review on your application, based on the information you have provided on your forms and they will examine your supporting documents to ensure it backs up the claims you have made.

For FSW1, they will be looking that the descriptions of your duties match the description of the NOC/s under which you are applying and will want to be satisfied that you have at least 1 year's continuous employment in at least one of the 29 in demand occupations.

For FSW2, they will need to see an AOE (Arranged Employment Opinion) or positive LMO (Labour Market Opinion) with a TWP and this must be for a job in Skill Levels 0 (Managerial) or A or B on the NOC list.

For both categories they will also assess your application against the selection criteria – age, education, work experience, adaptability, job offer and language skils etc, to ensure you have 67 points. They will use your supporting documents to convince themselves that there is sufficient proof to back up the claims you have made on your forms in these areas.

So PER also means that you have the required 67 points, and what the visa office does is confirm and verify whether your documents are legit? Does this also for sure mean that they will recognize your work experience in a way that you get at the very least 67 points (provided they can verify your reference letters and other documents of course)?

Anyway, congrats to AF___ for the PER

has anyone showed just TA and RS as experience under FSW3 category...and did ur application go through

I don't think anybody that has applied with just TA and RA experience has gotten that far yet. We will have to wait and see how this one goes. Provided that you do everything correctly and properly, I don't really see why TA/RA experience can't be counted as work experience, especially since TA/RA has its own NOC number (NOC 4012), which can be classified skill level A.

http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/noc/english/noc/2011/html/Matrix.html

 

[asbereth]

Crap, this is ridiculous. I have a feeling that my application will be returned since I forgot to complete Section C of IMM5406E (part about brothers and sisters), though everything else on that form was completed and signed properly. They just recently charged my credit card (March 5), so I'm assuming that they must have checked that part already? Should I try to contact them and ask if it is possible to rectify the situation, or should I just wait and see (I do understand that smallkick has his application returned for something kind of similar, so I'm really really hoping for something unlikely here)? I will really kick myself over and over again if they return it after it reaches the quota :'(

 

[TyrusX]

Crap, this is ridiculous. I have a feeling that my application will be returned since I forgot to complete Section C of IMM5406E (part about brothers and sisters), though everything else on that form was completed and signed properly. They just recently charged my credit card (March 5), so I'm assuming that they must have checked that part already? Should I try to contact them and ask if it is possible to rectify the situation, or should I just wait and see (I do understand that smallkick has his application returned for something kind of similar, so I'm really really hoping for something unlikely here)? I will really kick myself over and over again if they return it after it reaches the quota :'(

call them tomorrow morning, explain the situation, and tell them if it is possible to send the corrected form.

 

[anjuku]

is there anyone from university of waterloo who has already applied/is planning to apply soon?..i am taking my IELTS this saturday and after that i plan to get my documents together...and becos waterloo has this whole RS/RA issue i was wondering if someone from waterloo can advise me on what they did?

 

[anjuku]

@asbereth..by the way thanks for your note.

 

[TyrusX]

is there anyone from university of waterloo who has already applied/is planning to apply soon?..i am taking my IELTS this saturday and after that i plan to get my documents together...and becos waterloo has this whole RS/RA issue i was wondering if someone from waterloo can advise me on what they did?

My advise is: Read the documentation as many time as you can. Read the overseas procedures as well. You have to judge it yourself. Your work experience must be continuous ok? Read the Noc for TA/Ra too. I think almost everyone applied with "real life" work experience, at least here in the forum. This is what I have found, that may help you and others:

Where an applicant with little or no post-university experience applies for a Permanent Resident visa, particularly under an occupation where licensing or registration is required, a credit sometimes may not be given for experience obtained during post graduate studies. Given that most graduate-level disciplines have a research component, such an applicant may be employable as a research assistant. The onus is on the applicant to demonstrate that he/she has sufficient experience during graduate studies as a researcher to warrant the awarding the points under the experience factor. In addition, the research performed may indeed provide acceptable experience for practice of the profession itself. However, should the experience prove to be exclusively academic or research nature only, credit will not be given for such experience in order to qualify for the occupation in question.
http://canadaimmigrationlaw.net/Immigration/FAQ/skilled_worker_class.htm

Hope that helps.

 

[asbereth]

Hmmm, the way I look at it, if you're claiming your RA/TA experience as NOC 4012 (that is, as a post-graduate research/teaching assistant) rather than, say, a biologist, or an architect, or a psychologist for example, then I think there should not be any problem in getting your work experience credited (since NOC 4012 IS considered a skill level A). I think that was exactly what the message on that link was trying to convey.

However, should the experience prove to be exclusively academic or research nature only, credit will not be given for such experience in order to qualify for the occupation in question.

What they're trying to explain here is probably RA/TA that is trying to claim work experience for one of the 29 accepted occupations. They might fail to pass the eligibility review since the experience might prove to be purely academic or research only in nature, and not really aligned with the job descriptions of the intended NOC that they are trying to claim experience of.

Once again, I know several people whose PR applications were approved, claiming ONLY TA/RA experience (either CEC or FSW), and while rules have probably changed by quite a bit since then, there hasn't really been any change in recognizing NOC 4012 (or formerly, NOC 4122) as skill level A, nor has there been any change in NOC description for post-graduate teaching/research assistantship.

And regarding the purely academic or research nature of the work experience, reading NOC descriptions for NOC 4012, it only mentions research and teaching activities, and there doesn't seem to be any limitation as to what nature of the research would be accepted.

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/cgi-bin/imdb/p3VD.pl?Function=getVDDetail&db=imdb&dis=2&adm=8&TVD=122372&CVD=122376&CPV=4012&CST=01012011&MLV=4&CLV=4&CHVD=

And oh, it also mentions that enrollment in a university or college program is required, which implies that the kind of research or teaching activities that you do while being enrolled in a university program fall under NOC 4012, which is, once again, considered a skill level A

Anyway, I can extrapolate all day long, and in the end, it is the visa officers that will make the final decision. All we can do is wait and see (and hope for favorable decisions obviously).

Anyway, anjuku, it is nice to meet fellow UWaterloo student here

 

[anjuku]

@asbereth...yes, the very fact that they have said under the description for NOC4012 that you HAVE to be enrolled in a university or college keeps my hopes high!..since you are also from waterloo, you might recall a talk we had in february from a visa officer in detroit saying that T4A income (from RA/RS) can be counted as work experience.... ..anyway, i am planning to apply soon, and then we'll know for sure!!....

 

[TyrusX]

In the case one applies only with TA/RA, What would you select as intended occupation then? TA/RA? too?

 

[anjuku]

In the case one applies only with TA/RA, What would you select as intended occupation then? TA/RA? too?

i was planning to put post doctoral research or maybe lecturer...any other suggestions?

 

[asbereth]

This is (sort of) good news. I made a call to the call center, and they told me, since my 'mistakes' would not in any way influence how they review elgibility, then for now it should not matter, but that I should submit corrected forms later on when they will be transferring my application to the visa office (which is after the PER I guess). I suppose it's good that they won't actually return my whole application just because I forgot to include my brothers' and sisters' information.

i was planning to put post doctoral research or maybe lecturer...any other suggestions?

I suppose university professor can also be another possibility. Does anybody know the NOC for post-doctoral researcher?

@ asbereth...yes, the very fact that they have said under the description for NOC4012 that you HAVE to be enrolled in a university or college keeps my hopes high!..since you are also from waterloo, you might recall a talk we had in february from a visa officer in detroit saying that T4A income (from RA/RS) can be counted as work experience.... ..anyway, i am planning to apply soon, and then we'll know for sure!!....

Ya, this was what I and TyrusX were discussing several pages back This whole GRS thing is indeed driving everybody nuts. I know somebody that got his PR through CEC two years ago, because he did undergraduate in Waterloo, then used his experience as an RA/TA (when he was doing his Master's degree). Since it's CEC, only experience dating back two years can be used, so obviously, because he was doing his Master's, it was his TA/RA experience that counted, not his other 'real life' work experience (besides, his other work experience has been outside Canada I believe).

But then again, things were much simpler back then, since everything was just funded under taxable incomes (RA or TA), and he could easily get the number of hours from HR (and everything went under the T4s rather than T4As). TA/RA back then was not just limited to 10 hours a week I believe, so he can easily claim the one year over the two years he was a TA/RA, and got his work experience that way. Nobody has actually tried applying through GRS (since the international student eligibility was taken out two years ago from FSW, right when they started shifting to GRS from RA), so we wouldn't know how it would work as far as work experience is concerned, though the fact that visa officer from Detroit shares my interpretation of the matter does seem encouraging

 

[MapleDream]

Congrats to AF___ for the PER
I haven't got PER yet :'( My application was received on Dec. 15th and BD cashied on Feb. 3rd. What's happened?

 

[Reno]

Congrats to AF___ for the PER
I haven't got PER yet :'( My application was received on Dec. 15th and BD cashied on Feb. 3rd. What's happened?

Me neither. just wait i guess. hehe

 

[sarsanballa]

has anyone showed just TA and RS as experience under FSW3 category...and did ur application go through

Hi Guys, I applied without providing TA/RA proof from my school and yet Ecas shows my application is "IN PROCESS", Is this normal?
do you think I can contact them to supply RA/TA proof?

Thank you all. :-\