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CANIMG

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Jul 24, 2009
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Just got rejected email from CIC that said my job wasn't satisfied 0213.

I put 0213 and
Gather system requirements from users
project design and planning
manage team to achieve goal
implement software
recruit and supervise computer analysis.

Not sure what I should put. I am a manager for two years with two direct reports but no title.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
 

rupeshhari

VIP Member
Sep 15, 2008
3,686
255
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
sorry to hear this.
how many years of work experience do you have?
Do you have any financial responsibilities?
 

commonwealth

Hero Member
Nov 9, 2009
319
37
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
CANIMG said:
Just got rejected email from CIC that said my job wasn't satisfied 0213.

I put 0213 and
Gather system requirements from users
project design and planning
manage team to achieve goal
implement software
recruit and supervise computer analysis.

Not sure what I should put. I am a manager for two years with two direct reports but no title.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Sorry to hear that, tough luck.
You might not have budget and hiring responsibilities.
 

CANIMG

Full Member
Jul 24, 2009
24
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No, I don't have budget privilege. But our company is very flat. You only have title after you are promoted vice president.

Even vice president do not have budget permission. :'(
 

Bond007

Full Member
Dec 8, 2009
31
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CANIMG said:
Just got rejected email from CIC that said my job wasn't satisfied 0213.

I put 0213 and
Gather system requirements from users
project design and planning
manage team to achieve goal
implement software
recruit and supervise computer analysis.

Not sure what I should put. I am a manager for two years with two direct reports but no title.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Very sad to hear about this. In my humble opinion I think that the application was rejected not because you didn't have the budgets/hiring responsibilities. Since the procedure clearly states that the candidate should meet "all or SOME of the responsibilities". It's a matter of convincing the IO about your eligibility much similar to applying for a job. Just my 2 cents.
 

ankit_20

VIP Member
Dec 7, 2009
3,340
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India
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
CANIMG, I am sorry to hear about the rejection. I am not sure how can we convince IO about the job we do.

In my opinion the roles that you mentioned can be done by a software developer lead also. I think they are looking for some difference between a lead and manager and main responsibilities that are differentiator are

Hiring and appraisal
Interaction with client and price negotiation
Budget control
Decision maker in some area

Can some one like cal girl and other who have got PR under 0213 share their opinion and if possible R&R
 

rupeshhari

VIP Member
Sep 15, 2008
3,686
255
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo
NOC Code......
4131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
Dec 2008 to CIO
Doc's Request.
Jan 2009
AOR Received.
Feb 2009 from VO
IELTS Request
Didn't do IELTS.
File Transfer...
Not transfered to regional office.
Med's Request
July 2010 with RPRF and another PCC.
Med's Done....
Meds - September 2010. PCC - Late Oct 2010
Interview........
Waived
Passport Req..
Early November 2010
VISA ISSUED...
December 2010 - Exactly days shy of 2 years since I sent in my application to CIO.
LANDED..........
2011
CANIMG said:
Just got rejected email from CIC that said my job wasn't satisfied 0213.

I put 0213 and
Gather system requirements from users
project design and planning
manage team to achieve goal
implement software
recruit and supervise computer analysis.

Not sure what I should put. I am a manager for two years with two direct reports but no title.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
I spoke to a friend of mine. He said, he did all those (except recruit) in his first year. So like Ankit said, it might be cause you didn't differentiate yourself from a developer. Do you think it could have been because of your major?
 

gmohiuddin

Star Member
Dec 9, 2009
135
3
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
very sorry, can u tell me when u applied case, have u donr medical. please inform then i will analyze
 

afaraz

Star Member
Jun 30, 2009
193
22
124
Karachi - Pakistan
Category........
Visa Office......
Islamabad
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
17-08-2009
Doc's Request.
07-10-2009
File Transfer...
14-10-2009
Your application was reject by CIO,NS or local visa office ?
 

CANIMG

Full Member
Jul 24, 2009
24
0
To gmohiuddin & afaraz: I was rejected by CIO.

To rupeshhari, I speculated my major could be one of reason. Any recommend workaround for this?

I am talking with our internal client, gathering and analysis requirement everyday.
As our company is very flat, there is not typical manager role. I have two directly report.
Not sure how can I make they treat me as a manager with five duties.

Thanks,
 

calgirl

Hero Member
Nov 17, 2009
200
11
Toronto, Canada
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
7-5-09
Doc's Request.
6-7-09
Med's Request
28-10-09
Med's Done....
3-11-09
Passport Req..
28-10-09
VISA ISSUED...
24-11-09
LANDED..........
7-5-2010
CANIMG said:
Just got rejected email from CIC that said my job wasn't satisfied 0213.

I put 0213 and
Gather system requirements from users
project design and planning
manage team to achieve goal
implement software
recruit and supervise computer analysis.

Not sure what I should put. I am a manager for two years with two direct reports but no title.
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
Duties you mentioned can be done by a Sr. team lead also. But duties like financial planning/budgeting for a project, client meeting, policy/strategy implementation, direct involvement in team member recruitment (not only evaluating some candidate technically but taking ultimate decision on a team member's recruitment), nominating team members for essential training etc are typical managerial duties.
 

jnathan

VIP Member
Feb 3, 2009
4,513
142
Category........
Visa Office......
Sheng Chiu
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
21st Jan 2010
Doc's Request.
10th March 2010
AOR Received.
10th June 2010
IELTS Request
provided
File Transfer...
IN PROCESS: 12th October, 2010
Med's Request
Withdrawal Request sent....Was waiting for files to return....instead of returning the files, VO sent the MR !!
Med's Done....
28 May 2012
Passport Req..
24 July 2012
CANIMG

very sad to know your rejection but you still have chances to apply again with new duties and responsibilities added. Would you please copy and paste your original Work Experience form +additional paper you have added?

Wht was your major in your Bachelors and Masters level? you got any Vendor certifications like MCP, MCSE, A+ , CCNA ???

But What I greatly assume that individual Immigration officer in CIC has a vital role to play.
Some are strict and some are not.
 

commonwealth

Hero Member
Nov 9, 2009
319
37
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
calgirl said:
Duties you mentioned can be done by a Sr. team lead also. But duties like financial planning/budgeting for a project, client meeting, policy/strategy implementation, direct involvement in team member recruitment (not only evaluating some candidate technically but taking ultimate decision on a team member's recruitment), nominating team members for essential training etc are typical managerial duties.
Well said!
 
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isysy

Guest
CANIMG:

my personal take for this is that it would have been better if you stayed away from disclosing about your software development tasks coz there's a specific NOC for that.

Theese two items are too far from NOC 0213
- limplement software
- recruit and supervise computer analysis.

i applied for FSW1 with NOC 0213. im not a college grad, but i got ccna, mcsa, gsec, security+ and work as a manager for 3 yrs in an R&D facility with 20 direct reports. im hoping to get the medical request by post mail next week.
 

erikvirgo

Hero Member
Dec 14, 2009
273
7
USA
Category........
Visa Office......
Buffalo Transferred to LA October 5, 2011
NOC Code......
0213
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
07-06-2010 (date recvd by CHC Buffalo)
Doc's Request.
16-02-2010 1st AOR & 120day starts
AOR Received.
04-11-2010 2nd AOR
IELTS Request
Sent with App.
File Transfer...
24-02-2010 Transfer to Buffalo VO
Med's Request
22-11-2011 (Recevied from LA VO)
Med's Done....
22-12-2011 (Received by Ottawa)
Interview........
Not requested
Passport Req..
16-01-2012
VISA ISSUED...
19-03-2012
LANDED..........
31-July-2012
isysy, I assumed your FSW1 application has passed the pre assesment from CIO and got AOR?