Additional proofs of sponsor's intent of returning to Canada!!

[Son-of-A-Gun]

Hi all!
I need your help. I have a hard time convincing my VO that I plan to move back to Canada once my wife (sponsored) gets her PR.

I'm a Canadian citizen, lived almost all my life in Canada, except for the last decade or so. I've been living abroad with my wife, happily married (and living under the same roof) for a bit less than 9 years and having two wonderful [Canadian] children. We have a stable life abroad but our goal is to return to Canada and we've been thinking about this project for years.

I have also two teenage daughters in Canada (from a previous marriage) that I haven't seen in person in few years, my roots are there, friends, ex-employers and business partners, etc.

I said all this to my VO, I've written it originally and signed it in my initial application to CIC, and wrote it back later to my VO. They have all the proofs. Still they're asking in an AOR-2 kind of a *censored word* email for additional proofs of sponsor's intent of returning to Canada!!!

I have nothing tangible to give them. We put our house and our cars for sale here but it's not tangible enough for them. We're normally 3 to 4 months away from a final decision. So we cannot afford to leave our positions yet, to go to Canada to rent a house or something just to make our case 'stronger'.

Worst, with such harsh demands, we feel even insecure and cannot in anyway gamble with our life and family (including youngsters here) just to please a zealous immigration officer.

So, what are my rights here? It seems to me that CIC (or at least my VO) is unreasonable. What could be done? (Please assume that I can't provide anything more than what I already did).

TIA

 

[Nyhiraba]

Hi all!
I need your help. I have a hard time convincing my VO that I plan to move back to Canada once my wife (sponsored) gets her PR.

I'm a Canadian citizen, lived almost all my life in Canada, except for the last decade or so. I've been living abroad with my wife, happily married (and living under the same roof) for a bit less than 9 years and having two wonderful [Canadian] children. We have a stable life abroad but our goal is to return to Canada and we've been thinking about this project for years.

I have also two teenage daughters in Canada (from a previous marriage) that I haven't seen in person in few years, my roots are there, friends, ex-employers and business partners, etc.

I said all this to my VO, I've written it originally and signed it in my initial application to CIC, and wrote it back later to my VO. They have all the proofs. Still they're asking in an AOR-2 kind of a *censored word* email for additional proofs of sponsor's intent of returning to Canada!!!

I have nothing tangible to give them. We put our house and our cars for sale here but it's not tangible enough for them. We're normally 3 to 4 months away from a final decision. So we cannot afford to leave our positions yet, to go to Canada to rent a house or something just to make our case 'stronger'.

Worst, with such harsh demands, we feel even insecure and cannot in anyway gamble with our life and family (including youngsters here) just to please a zealous immigration officer.

So, what are my rights here? It seems to me that CIC (or at least my VO) is unreasonable. What could be done? (Please assume that I can't provide anything more than what I already did).

TIA

They also need proof you are seeking employment, accommodations and are making plans to transfer your children to schools in Canada. Normally emails etc from real estate people, principals of schools and from potential employers will suffice. Read this manual for the proof you need to submit: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/ip/ip02-eng.pdf

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/does-permanent-resident-status-for-spouse-expire-if-i-stay-in-us-t460696.0.html

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/living-in-the-us-what-can-i-use-to-prove-ill-return-to-canada-t460659.0.html

If you have nothing to add then expect a refusal and an appeal later.

 

[PreetiStephen]

Hi all!
I need your help. I have a hard time convincing my VO that I plan to move back to Canada once my wife (sponsored) gets her PR.

I'm a Canadian citizen, lived almost all my life in Canada, except for the last decade or so. I've been living abroad with my wife, happily married (and living under the same roof) for a bit less than 9 years and having two wonderful [Canadian] children. We have a stable life abroad but our goal is to return to Canada and we've been thinking about this project for years.

I have also two teenage daughters in Canada (from a previous marriage) that I haven't seen in person in few years, my roots are there, friends, ex-employers and business partners, etc.

I said all this to my VO, I've written it originally and signed it in my initial application to CIC, and wrote it back later to my VO. They have all the proofs. Still they're asking in an AOR-2 kind of a *censored word* email for additional proofs of sponsor's intent of returning to Canada!!!

I have nothing tangible to give them. We put our house and our cars for sale here but it's not tangible enough for them. We're normally 3 to 4 months away from a final decision. So we cannot afford to leave our positions yet, to go to Canada to rent a house or something just to make our case 'stronger'.

Worst, with such harsh demands, we feel even insecure and cannot in anyway gamble with our life and family (including youngsters here) just to please a zealous immigration officer.

So, what are my rights here? It seems to me that CIC (or at least my VO) is unreasonable. What could be done? (Please assume that I can't provide anything more than what I already did).

TIA

Sorry to hear that your VO is giving you hard time. which city is your VO? Our case is very similar to yours. I am worried now.

 

[profiler]

You can also secure a bank account in Canada. You might want to consider how you plan to (re)start your life here. Where will you live until you are able to find a home? With a parent or relative? Can they whip up a letter (maybe notarise it)?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

I said all this to my VO, I've written it originally and signed it in my initial application to CIC, and wrote it back later to my VO. They have all the proofs.

So, what are my rights here? It seems to me that CIC (or at least my VO) is unreasonable. What could be done? (Please assume that I can't provide anything more than what I already did).

What proofs did you actually submit besides your own letter?

Your rights are to comply or risk your app being refused. It is not unreasonable; immigration law requires that sponsors living abroad prove they intend to return to Canada. The burden of proof is on you.

Did you have your children/family/friends IN Canada write you letters confirming you are moving back? Do you have chats/emails/etc. with family/friends about the move? Are you going to be staying with anyone? Get a letter from them. Does your spouse have foreign education needing to be certified in Canada? Start the process. Have you contacted schools in your intended destination for information about your kids attending? Have you started researching jobs/homes? Have you started shipping your belongings or even contacted shipping companies for quotes? Transferring money?

 

[CDNPR2014]

it's important to note that generally CIC is not expecting concrete plans. what they are looking for is a plan that makes sense and shows you have researched areas, industries, schooling, etc and a plan that doesn't suggest you will be moving too far in the future. it better to say "upon approval" than to give specific dates, as CIC has been known to reject people because their plan is for 1-2 years from the time of application.

as canuck suggested, there are many things that can be provided, and many people are successful convincing CIC about intentions to move without needing concrete proof of a job or housing. If you have family that will be helping you get on your feet when you get there, then as most people have suggested, get them to write a letter explaining.

For us to give more ideas, it'll be helpful to understand what specifically was sent along with your letter expressing your plans and what specifically was mentioned in the letter.

 

[cheng9999]

Hi all!
I need your help. I have a hard time convincing my VO that I plan to move back to Canada once my wife (sponsored) gets her PR.

I'm a Canadian citizen, lived almost all my life in Canada, except for the last decade or so. I've been living abroad with my wife, happily married (and living under the same roof) for a bit less than 9 years and having two wonderful [Canadian] children. We have a stable life abroad but our goal is to return to Canada and we've been thinking about this project for years.

I have also two teenage daughters in Canada (from a previous marriage) that I haven't seen in person in few years, my roots are there, friends, ex-employers and business partners, etc.

I said all this to my VO, I've written it originally and signed it in my initial application to CIC, and wrote it back later to my VO. They have all the proofs. Still they're asking in an AOR-2 kind of a *censored word* email for additional proofs of sponsor's intent of returning to Canada!!!

I have nothing tangible to give them. We put our house and our cars for sale here but it's not tangible enough for them. We're normally 3 to 4 months away from a final decision. So we cannot afford to leave our positions yet, to go to Canada to rent a house or something just to make our case 'stronger'.

Worst, with such harsh demands, we feel even insecure and cannot in anyway gamble with our life and family (including youngsters here) just to please a zealous immigration officer.

So, what are my rights here? It seems to me that CIC (or at least my VO) is unreasonable. What could be done? (Please assume that I can't provide anything more than what I already did).

TIA

Besides the constructive comments that others have given, I have the additional suggestion that you should order GCMS notes. There may be some comments inside which give you a hint of why the officer does not feel your move back to Canada is not credible.

If you still have your drivers licence (i.e. shows a Canadian address), you can try to go to the MP in that riding and get some help. Some MPs are more helpful than others, so your mileage may vary.

Do formulate a response. Say write a letter again with some details, and then upload it via case specific enquiry. You don't want to ignore this request for information, as I believe you have a deadline to provide it. You won't get your GCMS notes before you formulate your response thought, as GCMS notes take at least 30 days.

It is a very frustrating situation. Some people appear to get off easier than others. I recall a posting here that the VO asked one sponsor whether he quit his job yet when it's months away (I mean, that's lost income for no good reason), while others get by with scant details.