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Canuckpitman

Newbie
Oct 4, 2011
6
1
Highly educated immigrants fare better in U.S. than Canada
By Joe Friesen
DEMOGRAPHICS REPORTER— From Saturday's Globe and Mail
Published Friday, Jan. 14, 2011 9:09PM EST


New research shows university-educated immigrants earn significantly less in Canada than they do in the United States, a troubling sign for a country determined to attract the best and brightest in the global hunt for talent.
The research shows that from 1980 to 2005 highly educated recent immigrants to Canada saw their earnings slide dramatically in comparison to Canadian-born university graduates. Today, new Canadian male immigrants with university degrees earn about 50 per cent less than their Canadian-born counterparts, while the gap in the U.S. is a much smaller 30 per cent.
That’s a significant change from 1980, when newly arrived university-educated immigrants (those with five years or fewer in their new countries) fared about the same on both sides of the border.
The study’s lead author, Aneta Bonikowska of Statistics Canada, said immigrant fortunes in the two countries began to diverge in the 1990s. But why that’s the case isn’t entirely clear. Ms. Bonikowska said the difference is not due to recruitment strategies, because in-demand engineers and IT specialists flooded the labour markets of both countries about equally. Nor is it due to more employer-linked immigration in the U.S., according to her research.
The answer remains a bit elusive, but there are a few possible explanations that need more research, she said.
“One is that there’s been a much more rapid increase in the supply of university-educated new immigrants in Canada than the U.S., so supply may be an issue. The second is language ability,” Ms. Bonikowska said.
From 1980 to 2005, Canada began accepting a much higher proportion of university graduates than it had in the past. In 1980, a little more than 20 per cent of new arrivals had university degrees. By 2005 it was roughly 55 per cent. In the United States, meanwhile, the proportion of university graduates rose much more slowly, reaching about 35 per cent in 2005.
Canada’s source countries also changed dramatically over that period, as immigrants from Europe were replaced by immigrants from Asia. As a result, the proportion of new immigrants to Canada who speak neither English nor French at home increased from 50 per cent in the late 1970s to just over 80 per cent since 2001, which could have had an effect in the labour market. U.S. immigration source countries didn’t change much over that period but their rates of foreign languages spoken at home are not much different than Canada’s.
Perhaps more troubling for those considering immigration to Canada, the immigrant wage gap persists even 11 to 15 years after arrival, according to the study. University-educated immigrants who arrived in Canada in the late 1960s made about 10 per cent less than their domestic-born counterparts after they’d spent a decade establishing themselves. For those that arrived in the early 1990s, the gap was about 30 per cent after 10 years in Canada. In the U.S., by comparison, the 1960s arrivals earned slightly more than the U.S.-born a decade after arrival, and the 1990s group just 12 per cent less.
At a networking conference for internationally educated professionals in Toronto Friday, more than 1,000 job seekers were told about another new study that concluded “becoming more Canadian” held the key to finding work in Canada. The study, commissioned by the Progress Career Planning Institute, surveyed employers and successful job seekers, and found that investing in language skills, seeking out mentorship and networking with others in their profession were the most reliable strategies for new immigrant job seekers.
Wei Chen, a conference attendee, came to Canada in 2005 expecting to find work in international trade, having taught at a Chinese university.
He was sorely disappointed. When a man knocked on his door selling natural gas, Mr. Chen decided to follow his example. For a year and a half he went door to door selling gas contracts. He said it was miserable work, so he decided he had to make a change. He eventually invested in a one-year college program in career counselling. That led to an internship, which led to a full-time job as a career coach.
“As internationally educated professionals we have to remember we have our own advantages,” Mr. Chen said. “We can speak languages others can’t. We represent other cultures and that can help organizations reach a common goal.”
He said 10 per cent of his clients now are Mandarin speaking, and they turn to him for advice on how to find work.
“I tell them that it will not be easy to find a job, but you can start out in a basic job, getting some experience, or you can volunteer,” he said.
 

Canuckpitman

Newbie
Oct 4, 2011
6
1
Future Canadians,

I just hope that what you indicated in your proof of funds is yours and yours alone, not borrowed from relatives or friends. You will certainly need that money to adjust on a different lifestyle.

For a family of four, these are your estimated expenses (all in CAD)

- Rent = roughly 1,200 depending on the city you live in
- Food = 800-1000
- Electricity = 60
- Heat = maybe free if you are renting a condo
- Daycare expenses (if your kids are below 12) = 1000
- Transportation expenses (I am assuming you are using the train or bus) = 200
-Cable, phone, internet bundle = 200

So, that is about CAD 3660 a month. Let's just say that you refused to do odd jobs because of pride (I didn't go to Canada to be a freaking housecleaner or dishwasher! I have an MBA ! ) and because you can't stomach the thought that this is so humiliating. Three months in and you have spent around CAD 10,000 with no job in sight commensurate to your experience. What are you going to do? Enroll in Bridging programs that are just Government lip service and in reality, Canadian employers refuse to recognize and give a damn.

What I am saying is that there is a mismatch on what Canada requires pertaining to foreign skilled workers compared to the requirements of the Canadian employers. Heck, these employers don't even know the difference between FSW1 and FSW2, does not know the real value of IELTS etc. In their eyes, you are an immigrant and all your credentials don't mean a thing because you didn't get it in Canuck country. I pray that at least half of what you expect here in Canada will come to fruition. Goodluck mates.
 

umatar

Member
Sep 8, 2011
10
0
So unpleasant and confusing situation.

Yesterday I got reply, that I do not qualify for an Electrician - NOC 7241 ?!, instead I have applied under NOC 1122. I rechecked all my documents that have sent them in order to be sure that it is not my mistake. EVERYWHERE is states NOC 1122 that I apply for. My job duties and education are under NOC 1122. My documents are under NOC 1122, and they reply me about NOC 7241.

I am so confused about this situation. Tried to reply their e-mail, but it is blocked of course. Sent an enquiry to standard e-mail for application status enquiries, as well as on my VO e-mail. Today I am going to sent CIO a fax and will try their hot line.
I have some months work experience as Electrician - almost 10 years ago, which of course, I mention when filling application forms, but did not stated it in my NOC preferences.
I also made enquiry about my apllication status after 36 days of receive, stating NOC 1122 and they replied with "...initial processing..."

I do not know what else could I do.

Please, if anyone have heard about other cases with wrong assessed NOC share the experience.
 

mute_man

Champion Member
Jan 21, 2011
2,295
101
Dhaka
Category........
Visa Office......
SG
NOC Code......
3131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
21 January 2011
Nomination.....
23 June 2011
AOR Received.
20 July 2011
Med's Request
05 March 2014
Med's Done....
15 March 2014
Passport Req..
05 March 2014
VISA ISSUED...
16 April 2014
LANDED..........
12 July 2014
umatar said:
So unpleasant and confusing situation.
Yesterday I got reply, that I do not qualify for an Electrician - NOC 7241 ?!, instead I have applied under NOC 1122. I rechecked all my documents that have sent them in order to be sure that it is not my mistake. EVERYWHERE is states NOC 1122 that I apply for. My job duties and education are under NOC 1122. My documents are under NOC 1122, and they reply me about NOC 7241.
I am so confused about this situation. Tried to reply their e-mail, but it is blocked of course. Sent an enquiry to standard e-mail for application status enquiries, as well as on my VO e-mail. Today I am going to sent CIO a fax and will try their hot line.
I have some months work experience as Electrician - almost 10 years ago, which of course, I mention when filling application forms, but did not stated it in my NOC preferences.
I also made enquiry about my apllication status after 36 days of receive, stating NOC 1122 and they replied with "...initial processing..."
I do not know what else could I do.
Please, if anyone have heard about other cases with wrong assessed NOC share the experience.
my story goes like this . . .

NOC 3131
Visa Office: Singapore
application received by CIO: 21 January 2011
NER received: 14 April 2011
Appealed through mail: 17 April 2011
Appealed through FAX: 24 May 2011
Bank Draft Request: 03 June 2011 [initially they sent me back the BD]
Bank Draft Received at CIO: 13 June 2011
PER Received: 23 June 2011
ecas changed to IN PROCESS: 22 July 2011

LONG STORY SHORT:

01. they refused us saying i am not a dentist - 3131!!
02. they gave me back the bank draft
03. after appealing saying; "yes honey" i am not a dentist - 3131 'cause I AM A PHARMACIST - 3131;
04. they said "ok, we're reconsidering but I need the fee!! so send it back to me!!"
05. then I send it back again.
06. they sent the PER

fight till DM!!
 

umatar

Member
Sep 8, 2011
10
0
Thanks mute_man,
Unfortuantely NOC 1122 is CAP reached, so I do not have a lot of hope for success, but I will continue to fight with them.
 

mute_man

Champion Member
Jan 21, 2011
2,295
101
Dhaka
Category........
Visa Office......
SG
NOC Code......
3131
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
21 January 2011
Nomination.....
23 June 2011
AOR Received.
20 July 2011
Med's Request
05 March 2014
Med's Done....
15 March 2014
Passport Req..
05 March 2014
VISA ISSUED...
16 April 2014
LANDED..........
12 July 2014
umatar said:
Thanks mute_man,
Unfortuantely NOC 1122 is CAP reached, so I do not have a lot of hope for success, but I will continue to fight with them.
don't bother about the CAP,, mine was also after the CAP reached of NOC-3131,,, they consider the receiving date for application if the date is within the CAP, application should go through appeal, even after the CAP is reached. [IMO]
 

dnyfyn

Hero Member
Aug 31, 2011
681
10
Category........
Visa Office......
Colombo
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
03-2016
Doc's Request.
08-2016
Med's Request
08-2016
Med's Done....
08-2016
Ok,

At last got the PER. I hope AOR is no more. I directly got the PER.

Sent on 2nd July 2011
Received at CIO 08th July 2011
Credit Card Charged 20th August 2011
PER Received 04th October 2011

I want to know when the PER is given do you have any idea what docuements do they go through?
Do you know what is the next step?
 

SmGrGe

Hero Member
Jun 30, 2011
452
21
Category........
Visa Office......
London
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-07-2011, cc charged on 12-08-2011
Doc's Request.
Submitted including PCC
AOR Received.
29-09-2011
IELTS Request
Submitted, 8.5 band
File Transfer...
In Process at VO: 22-11-2011
Med's Request
23-11-2011
Med's Done....
15-01-2012
Passport Req..
02-02-2012
VISA ISSUED...
06-03-2012
dnyfyn said:
Ok,

At last got the PER. I hope AOR is no more. I directly got the PER.

Sent on 2nd July 2011
Received at CIO 08th July 2011
Credit Card Charged 20th August 2011
PER Received 04th October 2011

I want to know when the PER is given do you have any idea what docuements do they go through?
Do you know what is the next step?
Congrats dnyfyn!!!
 

Moonshinemist

Full Member
Aug 14, 2011
43
3
Mismatches exist everywhere.. i am frm India.. Its difficulet for a person frm a village to settle in a metro..
people from Smaller towns and villages with good educational background find it difficult to get good jobs in metros..
i only said find it difficult but not impossible..
MBAs frm normal business schools face tough cometetion frm MBAs frm Top business schools..
Such things are normal.. when its difficult to move frm Villaage to town to city to metro in India .. it will b difficult to move to Canada..
its absolutely understandable tht our degrees are not valued in canada.. like v in india r doubtful abt the not so famous universities in india.. it is obvious tht in a foriegn land our degrees and experience hold no value..
but v hve made u our minds to fight it out.. and win the battle .. so let not these things bother and move ahead..

Canuckpitman said:
Future Canadians,

I just hope that what you indicated in your proof of funds is yours and yours alone, not borrowed from relatives or friends. You will certainly need that money to adjust on a different lifestyle.

For a family of four, these are your estimated expenses (all in CAD)

- Rent = roughly 1,200 depending on the city you live in
- Food = 800-1000
- Electricity = 60
- Heat = maybe free if you are renting a condo
- Daycare expenses (if your kids are below 12) = 1000
- Transportation expenses (I am assuming you are using the train or bus) = 200
-Cable, phone, internet bundle = 200

So, that is about CAD 3660 a month. Let's just say that you refused to do odd jobs because of pride (I didn't go to Canada to be a freaking housecleaner or dishwasher! I have an MBA ! ) and because you can't stomach the thought that this is so humiliating. Three months in and you have spent around CAD 10,000 with no job in sight commensurate to your experience. What are you going to do? Enroll in Bridging programs that are just Government lip service and in reality, Canadian employers refuse to recognize and give a damn.

What I am saying is that there is a mismatch on what Canada requires pertaining to foreign skilled workers compared to the requirements of the Canadian employers. Heck, these employers don't even know the difference between FSW1 and FSW2, does not know the real value of IELTS etc. In their eyes, you are an immigrant and all your credentials don't mean a thing because you didn't get it in Canuck country. I pray that at least half of what you expect here in Canada will come to fruition. Goodluck mates.
 

peeush

Star Member
Sep 21, 2011
65
4
123
Chennai
Category........
Visa Office......
New Delhi
NOC Code......
4152
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
18-10-2011
AOR Received.
18-01-2012
Med's Request
23-03-2012 MEDICAL LINE ADD ON 26-04-2012
Med's Done....
09-04-2012
Interview........
no interview
Passport Req..
23-03-2012
VISA ISSUED...
DM on 11-05-2012 : RECIVED VISA ON 15-05-2012
LANDED..........
ON JULY
hey guys i am planning to give application on15 october 2011, i have one doube that is regarding certification.
i am from India i certified my certificate with the help of a gazatted teacher but i noticed in cio that;
Outside Canada:
 a judge
 a magistrate
 a notary public
 an officer of a court of justice
 a commissioner authorized to administer oaths in the country in which the person is living

should i get certified with these officers or my old certification is enough
 

Whistler

Newbie
Jul 7, 2011
5
0
Auckland-New Zealand
Category........
Visa Office......
Sydney-Australia
NOC Code......
1122
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
06-07-2011
IELTS Request
Sent with Application
Folks sorry have been out of town, but yip, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have recieved my PER Sep 26th.....good luck to everyone else :D
 

hunhun

Star Member
Jul 29, 2011
119
1
Category........
Visa Office......
manila
NOC Code......
7242
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
01-07-2011
AOR Received.
27-09-2011
Whistler said:
Folks sorry have been out of town, but yip, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have recieved my PER Sep 26th.....good luck to everyone else :D
Good thing to know you have received your PER..

Good Luck guys!!
 

grimreaper

Hero Member
Oct 24, 2010
434
9
nish said:
can someone explain steps to apply for qubec in simple words....and also how the process is different from normal FSW process.

everyone please share...its better to try for something else than waiting for 1 year. plus we all have all the docs ready with us. if we can gain enough knowledge on quebec, we can be ready to apply by the time our packages reach u.

so please do share your knowledge about Qubec.
Nish,

Though we have all the docs ready with us but aren't they currently in the kit that we have sent to CIO? Probably we have to wait for another 2 months for the docs to return, correct?
 

67points

Hero Member
Jun 27, 2011
253
9
Category........
Visa Office......
Manila
NOC Code......
3152
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
08-07-2011
AOR Received.
30-09-2011
File Transfer...
19-10-2011
Med's Request
09-11-2011
Med's Done....
♪ ♫ ♪
Passport Req..
January 2012
VISA ISSUED...
[move][color=red]January 2012 Praise GOD !!![/color][/move]
LANDED..........
03-2012 [color=blue][b]The EAGLE has landed![/b][/color]
Whistler said:
Folks sorry have been out of town, but yip, ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I have recieved my PER Sep 26th.....good luck to everyone else :D
Belated Congratulations! :D
 

shijoal

Hero Member
Feb 27, 2011
726
19
new delhi
Category........
Visa Office......
newdelhi
NOC Code......
2121
Job Offer........
Pre-Assessed..
App. Filed.......
14-07-2011
Doc's Request.
not yet
Nomination.....
not yet
AOR Received.
06-09=2011
IELTS Request
sent with application
File Transfer...
09-11-2011
Med's Request
16-01-2012
Med's Done....
24-01-2012
Interview........
waived
Passport Req..
16-01-2012
VISA ISSUED...
not yet
LANDED..........
not yet
peeush said:
hey guys i am planning to give application on15 october 2011, i have one doube that is regarding certification.
i am from India i certified my certificate with the help of a gazatted teacher but i noticed in cio that;
Outside Canada:
 a judge
 a magistrate
 a notary public
 an officer of a court of justice
 a commissioner authorized to administer oaths in the country in which the person is living

should i get certified with these officers or my old certification is enough
yes. u will have to notarise by a notary public. u can very easily do it.