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dpenabill

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Thank you all! I will be coming back within 2 weeks of Dec 2021and PR card won't be expired yet. I know there are options to travel with expired documents but I don't plan to do that. I will be applying for renewal within few days after I come back from my trip (Jan 2022) before expiration date (Feb 2022).

My only concern was that immigration officers or airlines might refuse me to enter since the card is expiring so soon.
Just to affirm: correct, there is NO risk, ZERO risk that border officials will refuse you entry into Canada because your PR card will expire.

Permission to board an airline flight is somewhat different. There should be NO risk of being denied boarding as long as the PR card is still valid, and the overwhelming likelihood is that the pending expiration date on your PR card will NOT be a problem in this regard.

When you are cutting-it-close, however, some caution is warranted in regards to stuff-happens, especially in terms of delays, and that has been especially true during these past two years.

I suspect your concern derives from some immigration policies which require passports or travel documents to be valid for at least a specified period of time in order to be allowed entry into a country, and this includes some rules of this sort for Foreign Nationals traveling to Canada. Foremost, you are a Canadian not a Foreign National. So those policies do not affect what you need at the PoE upon returning to Canada. (What you need passing through border control in other countries depends on the rules for those countries.)

Secondly, the PR card is not a travel document; it is a status card. In contrast, passports are generally both a travel document and a document showing status. Thus, for example, if a Canadian PR travels outside Canada they must (with some exceptions) carry BOTH a valid travel document and their PR (status) card.

Enjoy your travel. Safe returns!
 

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My PR card is expiring in Feb. 2022. I am planning to travel outside Canada in Dec with return to Canada within 2 or 3 weeks.

I am planning to apply for card renewal after I come back from the trip. Will I be allowed to enter Canada with expiration date so close?
no problem, you need just one day of a valid card to enter; you have to meet the residency obligation.
 

dpenabill

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. . . you have to meet the residency obligation.
I do not mean to quibble, but I think it can be important to clarify that entry into Canada does not require the PR to meet the residency obligation. Entry cannot be denied. A PR in breach of the RO can be reported, and issued a Departure Order, but will then be allowed entry.


Other, Further Observations: Given previous tangents in the discussion here, it may be helpful to add . . .

In certain cases, for what are obvious and reasonable reasons, a PR can be detained at the PoE. BUT NOT for a failure to meet the RO.

Authority to detain a PR at the PoE is prescribed in Section 55 IRPA, see here https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-11.html#docCont

To put those provisions into context, their application is mostly, overwhelmingly so, about detaining Foreign Nationals, NOT PRs, even though PRs are within the scope of possible application. For PRs (with exceptions, even the best intentioned law enforcement is not always perfect in executing their mandate), the policy LIMITS DETENTION for PRs to those where a threat to public safety is clearly identified. Section 55 IRPA includes PRs within the scope of those who can be detained if it is determined they are unlikely to appear for proceedings, but the policy is to detain PRs ONLY if there are reasonable grounds to suspect that the permanent resident "is inadmissible on grounds of serious criminality, criminality or organized crime."

There is no hint in anecdotal reporting or the actual cases recounted in IAD and Federal Court decisions that PRs are being detained otherwise (there may be exceptions, usually are, but not enough to pop up in any of the places one might anticipate such reports to appear).

The policies in regard to detaining PRs at a PoE are stated in multiple Operational Manuals. Here are some samples:

In regards to PRs, ENF 4 Port of Entry Examinations, in Section 11.5 (page 40) it states:​
Arrest and detention under A55(1) should only be considered when the BSO at Immigration Secondary can clearly identify that a threat to the public exists or in cases where there is an active warrant.
Section 6.7 in ENF 20 Detention (on page 22) states:​
Officers must remain cognizant of the fact that subsection A19(2) gives permanent residents of Canada the right to enter Canada at a port of entry once it is established that a person is a permanent resident, regardless of non-compliance with the residency obligation in section A28 or the presence of another inadmissibility. While permanent residents seeking entry into Canada may be detained, officers at ports of entry should not detain a permanent resident solely in order for the examination to be completed.

For emphasis, the latter states more than policy, as it is an instruction to border officials of the "FACT" that PRs have a right to enter Canada . . . regardless of non-compliance with the residency obligation or the presence of another inadmissibility.

Edit to Add: It warrants noting that Canadian citizens can also be arrested and detained by border officers pursuant to the general authority of peace officers to arrest individuals without a warrant as prescribed in the Criminal Code, section 495(2), which is here: https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/page-132.html#h-126325

While I have qualms about perpetuating an unnecessary and largely irrelevant tangent in the previous discussions, there is a need to recognize the difference between discourse aimed at explaining, illuminating, educating, or otherwise informing, VERSUS that which deliberately obfuscates and confuses, distracts and misleads. Persistence in the latter is telling.

The subject of this thread is about a Permanent Resident living in Canada anticipating a brief trip abroad, returning to Canada with a PR card which will expire soon. Simple question. Simple answer. Done. Beyond that, this thread is in a forum about Permanent Residency Obligations. The nature of the Port-of-Entry examination, when the PR returns to Canada and applies for entry into Canada at the PoE, is relevant. Returning PRs are subject to examination at a PoE, as are Canadian citizens who arrive at a PoE and apply for entry into Canada (yes, even Canadian citizens must APPLY for permission to enter Canada in order to enter the country legally).

There is ZERO indication that in the context of this discussion the numerical statistics about travelers detained by border officials, or the conditions of such detention, are relevant.

That is so obvious it should not need stating let alone explaining. The also obvious question is why was that not at-all-relevant tangent introduced into the discussion here. It appears the reasoning for citing such information was to support the propositions that "Authorities at POE in Canada are not friendly to immigrants," and the warning (which would be alarming if there was any actual truth to it, which there is NOT) to the OP "You may not be able to renter Canada if you come back after expiration date on your PR card."

It needs to be made very clear that the latter is NOT true. There is NO risk a Canadian Permanent Resident will be denied entry into Canada because their PR card has expired.

As others and I have already expressed, there is also little reason to suspect the former is true generally, in regards to all travelers who might be described as "immigrants," and there is especially no reason to suspect the former is true in regards to PRs returning to Canada. There are occasional reports of somewhat aggressive questioning, and a somewhat larger number of claims border officials were not fair, but the overwhelming tide of reporting suggests that Canadian border officials are typically, at worst, merely formal, among scores and scores of reports about how overtly friendly many sometimes are.

But to illustrate the utter irrelevancy of the 100-page report, “‘I Didn’t Feel Like a Human in There’: Immigration Detention in Canada and Its Impact on Mental Health,” referenced as the source for an article cited above, there are ONLY TWO references to Permanent Residents in the ENTIRE 100 page report. One, page 10, refers to the authority to detain (which again is Section 55 IRPA cited and linked above), and the other, page 15, is a broad general statement asserting that the thousands detained by Canadian border authorities includes "people who have lived in Canada since childhood as permanent residents." No mention of the grounds for their detention (no hint, none whatsoever, they were detained for RO inadmissibility). No indication of their numbers (most likely if not undoubtedly a small percentage of all those detained). No advanced degrees in political science and government necessary to reasonably infer these individuals have been detained on grounds of serious criminality, criminality or organized crime, that is, NOTHING to do with the subject of this thread whatsoever.

That tangent deliberately obfuscates and confuses, distracts and misleads. It is not an isolated instance. Does not belong here.


In regards to friendly Canadian border officials, I'll share a personal anecdote: I made a road trip to the U.S. once without my spouse, and on my return, arriving at the PIL at the PoE into Canada, I handed the officer the Canadian passport I was carrying. He actually smiled when he asked me who XXX was, not my name, but my spouse's name, and our last names are not the same. "My wife" I answered, alarmed, realizing that she and I must have swapped passports the last time we crossed the border together. It is a rather serious crime to present someone else's passport to authorities. Technically it should have been seized. "We must have accidently taken each other's the last time." I added. The officer appeared to suppress a bit of a chuckle, and asked if I had other identification. I presented a passport from the country where I was born (I do not refer to it as my "home country"). "Have a nice day" he said, or something very similar to that, as he handed both passports back to me, and waived me on my way. (My wife and I have gone through that PoE together many, many times, traveling in the same car for many years.)
 
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I do not mean to quibble, but I think it can be important to clarify that entry into Canada does not require the PR to meet the residency obligation. Entry cannot be denied. A PR in breach of the RO can be reported, and issued a Departure Order, but will then be allowed entry.


Other, Further Observations: Given previous tangents in the discussion here, it may be helpful to add . . .

In certain cases, for what are obvious and reasonable reasons, a PR can be detained at the PoE. BUT NOT for a failure to meet the RO.

Authority to detain a PR at the PoE is prescribed in Section 55 IRPA, see here https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/page-11.html#docCont

To put those provisions into context, their application is mostly, overwhelmingly so, about detaining Foreign Nationals, NOT PRs, even though PRs are within the scope of possible application. For PRs (with exceptions, even the best intentioned law enforcement is not always perfect in executing their mandate), the policy LIMITS DETENTION for PRs to those where a threat to public safety is clearly identified. Section 55 IRPA includes PRs within the scope of those who can be detained if it is determined they are unlikely to appear for proceedings, but the policy is to detain PRs ONLY if there are reasonable grounds to suspect that the permanent resident "is inadmissible on grounds of serious criminality, criminality or organized crime."

There is no hint in anecdotal reporting or the actual cases recounted in IAD and Federal Court decisions that PRs are being detained otherwise (there may be exceptions, usually are, but not enough to pop up in any of the places one might anticipate such reports to appear).

The policies in regard to detaining PRs at a PoE are stated in multiple Operational Manuals. Here are some samples:

In regards to PRs, ENF 4 Port of Entry Examinations, in Section 11.5 (page 40) it states:​
Arrest and detention under A55(1) should only be considered when the BSO at Immigration Secondary can clearly identify that a threat to the public exists or in cases where there is an active warrant.
Section 6.7 in ENF 20 Detention (on page 22) states:​
Officers must remain cognizant of the fact that subsection A19(2) gives permanent residents of Canada the right to enter Canada at a port of entry once it is established that a person is a permanent resident, regardless of non-compliance with the residency obligation in section A28 or the presence of another inadmissibility. While permanent residents seeking entry into Canada may be detained, officers at ports of entry should not detain a permanent resident solely in order for the examination to be completed.

For emphasis, the latter states more than policy, as it is an instruction to border officials of the "FACT" that PRs have a right to enter Canada . . . regardless of non-compliance with the residency obligation or the presence of another inadmissibility.

While I have qualms about perpetuating an unnecessary and largely irrelevant tangent in the previous discussions, there is a need to recognize the difference between discourse aimed at explaining, illuminating, educating, or otherwise informing, VERSUS that which deliberately obfuscates and confuses, distracts and misleads. Persistence in the latter is telling.

The subject of this thread is about a Permanent Resident living in Canada anticipating a brief trip abroad, returning to Canada with a PR card which will expire soon. Simple question. Simple answer. Done. Beyond that, this thread is in a forum about Permanent Residency Obligations. The nature of the Port-of-Entry examination, when the PR returns to Canada and applies for entry into Canada at the PoE, is relevant. Returning PRs are subject to examination at a PoE, as are Canadian citizens who arrive at a PoE and apply for entry into Canada (yes, even Canadian citizens must APPLY for permission to enter Canada in order to enter the country legally).

There is ZERO indication that in the context of this discussion the numerical statistics about travelers detained by border officials, or the conditions of such detention, are relevant.

That is so obvious it should not need stating let alone explaining. The also obvious question is why was that not at-all-relevant tangent introduced into the discussion here. It appears the reasoning for citing such information was to support the propositions that "Authorities at POE in Canada are not friendly to immigrants," and the warning (which would be alarming if there was any actual truth to it, which there is NOT) to the OP "You may not be able to renter Canada if you come back after expiration date on your PR card."

It needs to be made very clear that the latter is NOT true. There is NO risk a Canadian Permanent Resident will be denied entry into Canada because their PR card has expired.

As others and I have already expressed, there is also little reason to suspect the former is true generally, in regards to all travelers who might be described as "immigrants," and there is especially no reason to suspect the former is true in regards to PRs returning to Canada. There are occasional reports of somewhat aggressive questioning, and a somewhat larger number of claims border officials were not fair, but the overwhelming tide of reporting suggests that Canadian border officials are typically, at worst, merely formal, among scores and scores of reports about how overtly friendly many sometimes are.

But to illustrate the utter irrelevancy of the 100-page report, “‘I Didn’t Feel Like a Human in There’: Immigration Detention in Canada and Its Impact on Mental Health,” referenced as the source for an article cited above, there are ONLY TWO references to Permanent Residents in the ENTIRE 100 page report. One, page 10, refers to the authority to detain (which again is Section 55 IRPA cited and linked above), and the other, page 15, is a broad general statement asserting that the thousands detained by Canadian border authorities includes "people who have lived in Canada since childhood as permanent residents." No mention of the grounds for their detention (no hint, none whatsoever, they were detained for RO inadmissibility). No indication of their numbers (most likely if not undoubtedly a small percentage of all those detained). No advanced degrees in political science and government necessary to reasonably infer these individuals have been detained on grounds of serious criminality, criminality or organized crime, that is, NOTHING to do with the subject of this thread whatsoever.

That tangent deliberately obfuscates and confuses, distracts and misleads. It is not an isolated instance. Does not belong here.


In regards to friendly Canadian border officials, I'll share a personal anecdote: I made a road trip to the U.S. once without my spouse, and on my return, arriving at the PIL at the PoE into Canada, I handed the officer the Canadian passport I was carrying. He actually smiled when he asked me who XXX was, not my name, but my spouse's name, and our last names are not the same. "My wife" I answered, alarmed, realizing that she and I must have swapped passports the last time we crossed the border together. It is a rather serious crime to present someone else's passport to authorities. Technically it should have been seized. "We must have accidently taken each other's the last time." I added. The officer appeared to suppress a bit of a chuckle, and asked if I had other identification. I presented a passport from the country where I was born (I do not refer to it as my "home country"). "Have a nice day" he said, or something very similar to that, as he handed both passports back to me, and waived me on my way. (My wife and I have gone through that PoE together many, many times, traveling in the same car for many years.)
great for you
thanks,
if you don't meet RO you might be report,,,
 
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no problem, you need just one day of a valid card to enter; you have to meet the residency obligation.
Absolutely right, not meeting RO will make them a subject of report at POE. Given hostility and aggressive habits of some border agents (who are not subject to oversight like other government agencies), I would warn OP to be careful about this matter (as if he was traveling to El Salvador or Sudan), and keep all his paperwork in order.
Separately, they might be unable to re-enter Canada without valid PR card. Many people on this forum alone report being stuck overseas, unable to get back. So, getting too close to expiration date is a risk not to be taken lightly.
 
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dpenabill

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Absolutely right, not meeting RO will make them a subject of report at POE. And they might be unable to re-enter Canada without valid PR card.
Please . . . no, this is not correct. As long as they remain a PR they have a RIGHT to enter Canada.

Whether they can board an airline flying to Canada is a separate matter. (All PRs need either a valid PR card or a PR TD to board commercial transportation headed to Canada.)

The procedures that follow being Reported have been discussed at length and in-depth in numerous threads here. If the Reported PR appeals, they will be eligible for a one-year PR card (rather than the five year card), and be able to travel in and out of Canada like any other PR . . . unless and until the appeal is dismissed and decision to terminate their PR status is both final and enforceable.

If a Reported PR who is also issued a Departure Order (the typical procedure) does not appeal (within 30 days), the decision to terminate their PR status is final and the Departure Order is enforceable. Such an individual is no longer a PR.

If the 44(1) Report is prepared but not reviewed, here too the PR remains a PR unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made about whether to issue a Removal or Departure Order. If the latter happens, the right of appeal process applies. Unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made, the PR remains a PR and continues to be entitled to enter Canada. Whether or not this PR will be issued a one-year PR card is uncertain, although there is a thread here in which one PR has very recently reported being issued a one-year PR card in this situation.
 

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Please . . . no, this is not correct. As long as they remain a PR they have a RIGHT to enter Canada.

Whether they can board an airline flying to Canada is a separate matter. (All PRs need either a valid PR card or a PR TD to board commercial transportation headed to Canada.)

The procedures that follow being Reported have been discussed at length and in-depth in numerous threads here. If the Reported PR appeals, they will be eligible for a one-year PR card (rather than the five year card), and be able to travel in and out of Canada like any other PR . . . unless and until the appeal is dismissed and decision to terminate their PR status is both final and enforceable.

If a Reported PR who is also issued a Departure Order (the typical procedure) does not appeal (within 30 days), the decision to terminate their PR status is final and the Departure Order is enforceable. Such an individual is no longer a PR.

If the 44(1) Report is prepared but not reviewed, here too the PR remains a PR unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made about whether to issue a Removal or Departure Order. If the latter happens, the right of appeal process applies. Unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made, the PR remains a PR and continues to be entitled to enter Canada. Whether or not this PR will be issued a one-year PR card is uncertain, although there is a thread here in which one PR has very recently reported being issued a one-year PR card in this situation.
if you don't meet RO you might be report,,,
 
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dpenabill

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if you don't meet RO you might be report,,,
Please . . . no, this is not correct. As long as they remain a PR they have a RIGHT to enter Canada.

Whether they can board an airline flying to Canada is a separate matter. (All PRs need either a valid PR card or a PR TD to board commercial transportation headed to Canada.)

The procedures that follow being Reported have been discussed at length and in-depth in numerous threads here. If the Reported PR appeals, they will be eligible for a one-year PR card (rather than the five year card), and be able to travel in and out of Canada like any other PR . . . unless and until the appeal is dismissed and decision to terminate their PR status is both final and enforceable.

If a Reported PR who is also issued a Departure Order (the typical procedure) does not appeal (within 30 days), the decision to terminate their PR status is final and the Departure Order is enforceable. Such an individual is no longer a PR.

If the 44(1) Report is prepared but not reviewed, here too the PR remains a PR unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made about whether to issue a Removal or Departure Order. If the latter happens, the right of appeal process applies. Unless and until the Report is reviewed and a decision is made, the PR remains a PR and continues to be entitled to enter Canada. Whether or not this PR will be issued a one-year PR card is uncertain, although there is a thread here in which one PR has very recently reported being issued a one-year PR card in this situation.
Pease recognize that this thread is not about meeting the PR Residency Obligation. It is about a PR living in Canada planning to travel abroad with a PR card that will expire shortly after their planned return to Canada.

Sure, some cautionary observations about potential collateral issues are warranted before making broad declarative statements about what will happen at the Port-of-Entry in response to a PR making the query posed by the OP here. Such as, for example, the caution a PR not in compliance with the RO might be examined at the PoE when they return to Canada, and issued a 44(1) Report for Inadmissibility for failing to comply with the RO.

But it is absolutely not true that a PR in breach of the RO (let alone a PR with a valid PR card and no RO compliance issues) might be denied reentry into Canada. The persistently false assertions otherwise are more than just confusing but could potentially cause unnecessary alarm. Setting aside the motive for it, which appears to be nefarious, it is disruptive at best.

In any event, the OP's question has been answered. No problem. And that really is it, no problem.
 

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if you don't meet RO you might be report,,,
He doesn't understand English well. He doesn't know the difference between "might" and "will", between "if this condition applies to you" and "this condition applies to you" and etc. He is not aware that there are lots of PRs who are stuck overseas and can't board a plane to Canada, because they don't have valid PR card, and as a result can't re-enter Canada. Explaining all the nuances to him would be tremendous waste of time.
 

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He doesn't understand English well. He doesn't know the difference between "might" and "will", between "if this condition applies to you" and "this condition applies to you" and etc. He is not aware that there are lots of PRs who are stuck overseas and can't board a plane to Canada, because they don't have valid PR card, and as a result can't re-enter Canada. Explaining all the nuances to him would be tremendous waste of time.
I am sorry if I misunderstood the "nuance" in your assertion that a PR subject to a 44(1) Report might not be able to re-enter Canada. Sure, of course, if someone cannot travel to Canada, they cannot re-enter Canada. But of course that is not limited to PRs, let alone PRs Reported for a breach of the RO. That's physics. No person can enter Canada if it is not possible for them to physically travel to Canada and make an in person application for entry at a Port-of-Entry.

I am trying hard to focus on real information. Really. I make a sincere, concerted effort to get this stuff right. PRs who pose questions like that posed by the OP here deserve as clear and relevant an answer as the forum can provide. I welcome corrections when I get something wrong, which I do more often than I like. I will note, however, that the 44(1) Report process for PRs in breach of the RO is one of the very few matters I continue to focus on, and it is one which I have researched extensively and which I have followed diligently for more than a decade, and regarding which I try hard to offer explanations that illuminate how the process works, how it actually works, and what a PR needs to know to best navigate the system. I truly do welcome corrections and clarifications.

I realize there are many PRs and others who are not well familiar with the distinction between the right to enter Canada and documentation of authorization to enter Canada. Lack of the latter means airlines, and other commercial carriers, cannot provide the individual transportation to Canada.

PRs do not need any particular documentation to obtain entry into Canada when they apply for entry at a Port-of-Entry. They need enough documentation to establish their identity and status. Documentation establishing identity is usually enough. By the way, for a PR who has already been Reported and who has an appeal pending (or it is less than 30 days since being Reported), it will almost certainly be no problem at the PoE. They are in the system with an alert (big red flag some would say) that cannot be missed. They still have the right to enter Canada.

For many PRs abroad who do not have the required documentation of authorization to enter Canada (which for PRs is limited to a valid PR card or a PR Travel Document), which is what is required to board a plane flying to Canada, there are alternative modes of transportation. Travel via the U.S. is perhaps the most common alternative. Many other PRs do not have such alternative modes of getting to a Canadian PoE. So, if they do not have a valid PR card, their only option is to apply for a PR Travel Document.

Here too the Reported PR is likely to get more prompt service than many other PRs abroad without a valid PR card. Once Reported (or if the PR has made a regular application for a PR TD that has been denied on grounds the PR breached the RO) the Reported PR with an appeal pending who is abroad without a valid PR card can make an application for a "special" PR Travel Document, and as long as the PR who is applying for the special PR TD was in Canada within the previous year, they will be issued a special PR TD. They do not need to make a H&C case in the application (a PR abroad, who has not been reported, and is without a valid PR card and who is in breach of the RO, on the other hand, will need to make a strong H&C case to qualify for and obtain a PR TD).

Ultimately, sure, if a PR is outside Canada without a valid PR card, does not qualify for a PR TD, and cannot otherwise manage to travel to the Canadian border, they will not be able to re-enter Canada because they cannot get to Canada, but more significantly in the context this has been raised here, their inability to re-enter Canada will not be about a breach of the Residency Obligation. In particular, this is not limited to or a category defined by RO based inadmissibility. And even if they are in breach of the RO, and even if they have been Reported, if they can get to the Canadian border, they have a RIGHT of entry into Canada. (As long as they are still a PR, again even if inadmissible.)

I think I have covered the nuances. Even though I am no expert, I am very confident (based on a lot of research and study, most of which I have cited and linked often here in this forum) the above is a good and accurate explanation of how things really work. Again, I welcome any corrections or clarifications. The objective is to get it right.

I am trying here. I hope I was wrong about your motives and that is something you will correct me about, demonstrably, in the way you participate. With hope . . .
 
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