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Starting a new thread for July 2025 applications

Date submitted - July 6, 2025 Online through PR Portal
No AOR given
Unable to link application online
No update on updatedAt

Current processing time stated was 16 business days when I applied early in the week. By July 9 it turned into 18 business days.


Documents I attached:
1. Photos of my Airbnb stays starting from my permanent landing into Canada and moving to the province I live in. Conversations with my long term stay Airbnb hosts included.
2. A copy of my lease for the suite rental in the province I reside in which I’ve been living in since I moved in to Present.
3. ICBC Drivers Record reports, including residential history of all three of the addresses I have lived at since moving to the province I live in, my Driving Record report which states my Drivers License was issued over two years ago, and my Driver Factor report which states I have two years of driving experience in the province I live in.
4. A copy front and back of the province I live in Services Card issued over two years ago.
5. Patient Statements of my monthly visits with my chiropractor since becoming a patient over two years ago.
6. A copy of the email from Air Canada for my flight to the province I live in over two years ago.
 
Starting a new thread for July 2025 applications

Date submitted - July 6, 2025 Online through PR Portal
No AOR given
Unable to link application online
No update on updatedAt

Current processing time stated was 16 business days when I applied early in the week. By July 9 it turned into 18 business days.


Documents I attached:
1. Photos of my Airbnb stays starting from my permanent landing into Canada and moving to the province I live in. Conversations with my long term stay Airbnb hosts included.
2. A copy of my lease for the suite rental in the province I reside in which I’ve been living in since I moved in to Present.
3. ICBC Drivers Record reports, including residential history of all three of the addresses I have lived at since moving to the province I live in, my Driving Record report which states my Drivers License was issued over two years ago, and my Driver Factor report which states I have two years of driving experience in the province I live in.
4. A copy front and back of the province I live in Services Card issued over two years ago.
5. Patient Statements of my monthly visits with my chiropractor since becoming a patient over two years ago.
6. A copy of the email from Air Canada for my flight to the province I live in over two years ago.
You were only required to provide two pieces of evidence of residing in Canada during the 5 year assessment window.

For example, #2 and #3 satisfied that requirement.

CBSA records, which IRCC has access to (with or without the permission of the PR), is by far the biggest factor in assessment.
 
You were only required to provide two pieces of evidence of residing in Canada during the 5 year assessment window.

For example, #2 and #3 satisfied that requirement.

CBSA records, which IRCC has access to (with or without the permission of the PR), is by far the biggest factor in assessment.

I am aware of that but given that I needed to show proof of living in Canada since I moved and I had no proper rental until 10 months after landing, I included the Airbnb information. The residential history from ICBC just helps back my residential statements.

Okay then that's good that they have all my info. I am a Nexus card holder and when I moved, I went to the closest location for both USA/CA border services and they both updated my information and new living location on both sides.
 
I am aware of that but given that I needed to show proof of living in Canada since I moved and I had no proper rental until 10 months after landing, I included the Airbnb information. The residential history from ICBC just helps back my residential statements.

Okay then that's good that they have all my info. I am a Nexus card holder and when I moved, I went to the closest location for both USA/CA border services and they both updated my information and new living location on both sides.

Thank you for commenting this and letting others know.
Any idea why it is taking very long? When I applied the processing time was only 16 days. And I still have not received any receipt from them and the PR portal shows submitted still.
 
Any idea why it is taking very long? When I applied the processing time was only 16 days. And I still have not received any receipt from them and the PR portal shows submitted still.
Repeatedly here, we see applicants getting no info and then it showing up in their mailboxes. No notice - but at least the service has been faster than ever.

Just wait. Less than 30 days is great service. You submitted just over two weeks ago.
 
I applied on July 5th and still nothing

Any idea why it is taking very long? When I applied the processing time was only 16 days. And I still have not received any receipt from them and the PR portal shows submitted still.

As @armoured noted, it is NOT yet all that long, definitely NOT "very long," for processing a PR card application.

Note that there have been many reports in this forum from PRs who saw nothing until IRCC showed that their application for a PR card was approved, never any "receipt" or AoR, and some have reported getting a new PR card in the mail before getting any notice at all.

That Said . . . for many (not most, most being at least one more than half) . . . processing times can range from two months to many months . . .

So far I have not seen any IRCC information, or outside IRCC reporting, that illuminates much about how long processing is for PR card applications that do not benefit from automated decision-making. It was just earlier this year, apparently, that most PR card applications (again, most meaning at least one more than just half) began benefitting from automated decision-making. This was indicated when all of a sudden (literally) the processing time posted by IRCC went from more than two months to around two weeks.

Historically, before this year, for nearly a quarter century, IRCC's posted processing times typically ranged from two to four months, with brief periods in which it dropped to around five weeks (that's the shortest processing time I recall seeing before this year) and some when it was around six months plus a bit (which was when IRCC changed the policy to allow applications to be made up to nine months prior to when the PR card expires rather than the six month policy it had for a long period). Note, too, that for many years some PR card applications took nearly a year to be processed.

What we currently know about PR card processing times:

IRCC's posted processing times are for PR card application that are not complex. This is, again, for "most" PR card applications, so at least one more than half. That means that a large number of PR card applications will take longer. As I noted, there is not much information about the processing times for those applications which are not approved within around two weeks.

The WHY . . . automated decision-making . . .

As best I have figured, the current way, way shorter processing times this year are the product of automated decision-making. I do not know whether this includes some fully automated decisions to approve applications (comparable to the process in the projects to automate decision making, regarding other types of applications, that IRCC has provided easily accessed information about), or is a process that more or less gives tentative approval which is then easily and quickly reviewed by an officer or processing agent, or some combination of both. Fully automated approvals would not take even two weeks.

My sense is it is a combination of both, some applications are fully approved with no agent or officer review, and some applications get some sort of tentative approval which an agent or officer can very quickly review and finalize approval. This would explain the difference between some of the very short times being reported anecdotally and the longer, around two weeks (a little more lately), processing times IRCC posts.

BUT only PR card applications that are NOT complex benefit from this.


The WHY . . . what applications are "complex" and do not benefit from shorter processing times resulting from automated decision making . . .

Based on what we know about how automated decision making has been applied in a number of other contexts (there is a thread here that goes into some depth about this and various related projects), there are two stages of what might be called triage screening. So far it appears that this only applies to online applications.

First stage is automated screening of online applications, determining (deciding) which applications meet the criteria for automated processing.

Second stage of triage is screening those applications that meet the criteria for automated processing and determining which are (1) not complex, (2) complex, or (3) highly complex. Only those which are not complex get automated approval (or tentative approval, however it is done for PR card applications in particular).

IRCC previously distinguished applications as either routinely processed or subject to non-routine processing. Within the last year IRCC has migrated to separating applications based on whether they are (1) not complex, (2) complex, or (3) highly complex (actual terminology might be different for PR card application processing than this terminology which is what is used in several of the projects we know more about).

It appears that what was routine processing, previously, now applies to both not-complex and complex applications. That is, just because an application is "complex," and thus will not be processed within the processing times posted by IRCC, does not mean there is a problem or significant issue. My guess is that processing times for these applications are likely to be in a range similar to routine processing times in previous years (during which routine processing times typically ranged from two to four months).

What makes an application complex or highly complex?

We do not know what criteria is being used to identify which applications will get automated approval, or what factors or circumstances will make an application complex or highly complex. That is almost certainly considered confidential (not public) information. But of course there are some obvious factors, like discrepancies in the travel history reported by the PR in the application compared to other sources, the main one being CBSA travel history, which very likely will mean complex processing. Any factors or circumstances raising credibility concerns likewise, ranging from inconsistencies in address history indicated by information the PR has posted in open sources, such as social media, LinkedIn for example, this being a source that has often popped up in litigated cases.

Additionally, it is now highly likely that the criteria used will vary some based on automated adjustments incorporating AI components, including machine-learning.
 
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I applied for the urgent processing and still no reply
You didn't mention that. Not sure that asking for urgent processing helps - at least not for those that have 'standard' applications. "Standard" in simplest understanding - in compliance with the residency obligation (and perhaps no previous interaction with CBSA/IRCC about non-compliance). (Leaving aside such things as legal issues / criminality.)

At any rate: still early in your case. Suggest waiting for now.
 
I applied for the urgent processing and still no reply

Overall:

Given the automated decision making procedure, for most PRs there is NO advantage in asking for urgent processing. Most PR card applications are being processed as fast as they possibly can.

There may be some disadvantage in that just the request for urgent processing could slow the process.

Given the migration to incorporating automated decision making, these days there is, generally, no reason to ask for urgent processing.

Explanation and Further Observations:

Even though PRs can request urgent processing of a PR card application, and some will be expedited, so far as we know IRCC does not usually give PR card applications urgent processing, and actually it seems likely that very few PR card applications benefit from expedited processing. Reasons for this have been frequently explained in many threads in this forum . . . main reason being that the PR card's purpose is to facilitate travel back to Canada from abroad, and from IRCC's perspective there is rarely any compelling need to get a new PR card given the availability of a PR TD to facilitate travel back to Canada.

Moreover, now that most PR card applications are getting processed in around two weeks, the best shot at getting a PR card processed quickly is making an application that is not complex. That is as fast as the process possibly gets.

We do not know if the request for urgent processing will in itself take the application out of the automated decision making stream, but there is a distinct possibility of that. That is, it is possible that just asking for urgent processing means it will take longer than IRCC's posted timeline to process the application because it requires an additional step and that likely means going into a separate queue where it will wait for an agent or officer to decide whether to give the application expedited processing.

So it comes down to this: if the application meets the criteria for automated decision making, a request for urgent processing will not help, cannot possibly help, since the current process is as fast as it can be.

That said . . . for complex applications . . .

Some PR card applications (probably very few, but some) could benefit from a request for urgent processing if the application is complex. As previously noted, a complex application will take considerably longer than the currently posted processing times. If granted, a request for urgent processing may mean a shorter processing time than what it takes to process routine but complex applications generally. But this will still be considerably longer than currently posted processing times (whether that is weeks longer or months we do not know).

The problem is that whatever factors or circumstances make the application complex are likely to be a reason for NOT giving the application urgent processing.

So, overall, these days there is no reason to ask for urgent processing when making a PR card application . . . unless it is a paper application (not an online application) or the PR knows they will not qualify for automated approval and are hoping to accelerate the processing of a complex application, recognizing that will nonetheless take significantly longer than the currently posted processing times.