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Yorker13

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Hi

i am gathering documents to send for my citizenship application, in the application for citizenship document they require tax details for the last 3 years,

i still didnt recieve the T4, my questions are fellows

1- when the T4 will be issued?

2- can i send my application without the tax details for 2018 since that will take upto april or may to get my tax return or notice of assessment.

3- shall i just send them an explanation letter that once the t4 is issued or the tax return is delivered i will send it so the application wont be delayed..!!

thanks
 

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Do you have NOA for 2015, 2016, and 2017? You can submit your application now with those NOA's since your 2018 NOA is not available.
If you do not have NOA for 2015, I don't think if it is a good idea to submit application without all the required documents. Why don't you wait until March to get your NOA? T4 is usually issued by mid Feb and you can file tax as soon as you get it so you can get the NOA.
If you take chance and submit your application now, by the time you have NOA your application might be returned due to insufficient documents. If this happened you would not gain any time advantage.
If you still want to go ahead with the submission, maybe give IRCC a call first and ask what to do in your situation.
 
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Do you have NOA for 2015, 2016, and 2017? You can submit your application now with those NOA's since your 2018 NOA is not available.
If you do not have NOA for 2015, I don't think if it is a good idea to submit application without all the required documents. Why don't you wait until March to get your NOA? T4 is usually issued by mid Feb and you can file tax as soon as you get it so you can get the NOA.
If you take chance and submit your application now, by the time you have NOA your application might be returned due to insufficient documents. If this happened you would not gain any time advantage.
If you still want to go ahead with the submission, maybe give IRCC a call first and ask what to do in your situation.
thank you canvan,

i have notice of assessment for 2014,2015,2016,2017

but i was not fully employed until 2017, i was going in and out of the country ,but in the last 5 years from 2014,i have 1124 days out of 1095 required for citizenship.

does my employment or amount of money effect my application or they only need to make sure i was filling taxes annually regardless of my employment or income.

thanks
 

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thank you canvan,

i have notice of assessment for 2014,2015,2016,2017

but i was not fully employed until 2017, i was going in and out of the country ,but in the last 5 years from 2014,i have 1124 days out of 1095 required for citizenship.

does my employment or amount of money effect my application or they only need to make sure i was filling taxes annually regardless of my employment or income.

thanks
Incomes or unemployment have no bearings in citizenship application. As long as you file your tax and declare your income properly, you are good to go.
If you have NOA for the 3 taxation years, you can submit your application now.
 

Yorker13

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when u say the 3 taxation years does that mean 2018,2017 and 2016.

or any 3 taxation year from the last 5 years from the date of application,so i can submit the 2014,2015,2016 and 2017 but no 2018

thx
 

canvan14

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when u say the 3 taxation years does that mean 2018,2017 and 2016.

or any 3 taxation year from the last 5 years from the date of application,so i can submit the 2014,2015,2016 and 2017 but no 2018

thx
Sorry it has been a while since I applied. You asked for 3 years so I wrote 3 taxation years.
After looking at the application again, yes you have to submit NOA for 5 years, so 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Since you do not have 2018 you need NOA for 2013.
If you do not have NOA for 2013, wait until you have NOA for 2018 to apply.
 
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Sorry it has been a while since I applied. You asked for 3 years so I wrote 3 taxation years.
After looking at the application again, yes you have to submit NOA for 5 years, so 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Since you do not have 2018 you need NOA for 2013.
If you do not have NOA for 2013, wait until you have NOA for 2018 to apply.
i made a quick google search and this link from IRCC came up about the income tax filing that is required from grant of citizenship.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/grant/residence/income-tax-filing.html

can you please have a look to explain it to me, i might mis-intrpret this.

in the prelude it differentiates between applications before 2017 that follow 4 out of 6 years and after 2017 which is 3 out of 5.

so does that mean any 3 years out of the last 5 years or the last 3 successive out of 5 ?

thanks a lot
 

canvan14

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i made a quick google search and this link from IRCC came up about the income tax filing that is required from grant of citizenship.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/grant/residence/income-tax-filing.html

can you please have a look to explain it to me, i might mis-intrpret this.

in the prelude it differentiates between applications before 2017 that follow 4 out of 6 years and after 2017 which is 3 out of 5.

so does that mean any 3 years out of the last 5 years or the last 3 successive out of 5 ?

thanks a lot
Any 3 years out of the 5 year eligibility period, it doesn't have to be consecutive.
You already have NOA's for more than 3 years, you can fill in what year you have NOA on the application.
 

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To my understanding, one does NOT have to send Notices of Assessment OR T4s with their citizenship application.

You have to mark in question 12 of form CIT-0002 whether you were required to file taxes and also whether you did, for the 5 relevant years. They also ask for your SIN, and you have to give them permission to check your information with the CRA. This is how they check whatever your records with the CRA are.

I have submitted mine without any tax documents (other than my SIN number, as explained above). I already took the test and have decision made, just waiting for the oath!
 
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i am gathering documents to send for my citizenship application, in the application for citizenship document they require tax details for the last 3 years,
First, @canvan is WRONG about needing or submitting Notices of Assessment.

After looking at the application again, yes you have to submit NOA for 5 years, so 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, and 2018. Since you do not have 2018 you need NOA for 2013.
If you do not have NOA for 2013, wait until you have NOA for 2018 to apply.
Again, this is just plain WRONG.

Secondly, mostly FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS. FOLLOW the CHECKLIST. Read and follow them as you understand them. (And use the most current versions available. The forms tend to change from time to time.)

There is NO requirement to submit any tax related documents. (Albeit IRCC may request some documents LATER in the process if there is a reason why IRCC has concerns about the applicant's eligibility.)

Item 12 in the current citizenship application form CIT 0002 (06-2018) is straight-forward.
-- The applicant is required to state the applicant's SIN (with easy to understand exceptions).
-- The applicant is required to list the preceding FIVE TAX YEARS and complete the chart by indicating, for each of those tax years:
-- -- whether the applicant was required (pursuant to CRA rules) to file a return that year, and
-- -- whether the applicant did file a return that year​

The requirement for citizenship eligibility is simply that the applicant must have complied with CRA tax filing obligations for at least three of the preceding five years. Thus, if the applicant has filed a return for three of the preceding five TAX years, the applicant meets this requirement. However, even if the applicant did not file a return for a given TAX year, if the applicant was not obligated to file a return (pursuant to CRA rules), the applicant checks "NO" and "NO" for such a year and that year also counts toward the THREE years of compliance.


TAX YEAR 2018:

Every year, early in the year questions are asked about the most recent tax year. Obviously, as of today (January 21, 2019) last year, 2018, is one of the five preceding TAX years and thus needs to be listed in Item 12. Many, probably most, will be required to file a return for 2018. BUT AS OF TODAY A "NO" NOT REQUIRED TO FILE response is appropriate for the TAX year 2018. There is NO requirement to file a tax return for 2018 until at least April 30, 2019 (for some there is no requirement to file until a later date; for example, those who are self-employed are not required to file a return for 2018 until June 15, 2019).

And, indeed, most prospective applicants who had earned income in 2018 will not be prepared to file a return until they have received information such as T4s, which many will not have yet.

So the tax year 2018 should be listed and as of today it would be OK to check "NO," not required to file, and "NO," taxes not filed, and this should count as one of the three tax years for which the applicant must show compliance with the tax filing obligation. (But see suggestions below.)


That said -- some suggestive observations:

Meeting the requirements meets the requirements. Sure, this is largely a meaningless tautology, but it is worth highlighting. We immigrants come to Canada with incredibly diverse scenarios and our lives in Canada encompass a wide, wide range of experiences and situations. So how to best answer many of the questions in the application form can be very PERSONAL, and WHEN to APPLY is likewise a very personal decision. For the prudent, cautious PR, just barely meeting the minimum requirements is NO WHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH. BUT more than a few among us have situations which do not allow for much flexibility.

So the WHEN to APPLY question is especially personal, a personal decision which should be made with due consideration given to many facets of the requirements and process. For example, a significant buffer over the minimum days present is prudent, at least some weeks extra in my view (I personally waited nearly two additional years to apply, but I had particularly personal circumstances motivating the decision to wait that long).

Relative to the requirement that the applicant have complied with tax filing obligations for at least THREE of the preceding FIVE TAX YEARS, obviously it is BEST if the applicant can truthfully report compliance for ALL five of the listed TAX years (which might include some "NO" and "NO" years (not required, no return filed years), especially for years prior to actually settling to live in Canada). Compliance for more than three of the relevant five tax years is NOT required, and it might not have much influence, but obviously full compliance presents a better picture, and many of us prefer to proceed looking our best.

Additionally, the further into the year it gets, the more one might want to lean toward filing a return for 2018 and being able to check "yes" and "yes" (yes, required, and yes filed) for 2018 . . . and, in respect to this, for many it might help to simply wait a little longer, if necessary, to do this (file the 2018 return before applying), thereby also adding some more buffer days for the presence calculation.
 

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@dpenabill
After reading the link Yorker13 sent, I did correct myself that one only needs 3 taxation years out of the 5 years eligibility period.
I did say this,

Any 3 years out of the 5 year eligibility period, it doesn't have to be consecutive.
You already have NOA's for more than 3 years, you can fill in what year you have NOA on the application.

However, maybe I didn't distinguish clearly between submitting and just fill in the box on the application. My apologies for the wordings. You seemed to come across so harsh when the word WRONG is capitalized. Maybe that's just your style of writing. I stand corrected either way and thank you for clarify the information for others.

Again @Yorker13 I apologized for any confusion this might cause. I'll double check instructions before giving out advices in the future.
 
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After reading the link Yorker13 sent, I did correct myself that one only needs 3 taxation years out of the 5 years eligibility period.
I did say this,

Any 3 years out of the 5 year eligibility period, it doesn't have to be consecutive.
You already have NOA's for more than 3 years, you can fill in what year you have NOA on the application.

However, maybe I didn't distinguish clearly between submitting and just fill in the box on the application. My apologies for the wordings. You seemed to come across so harsh when the word WRONG is capitalized. Maybe that's just your style of writing...

Again @Yorker13 I apologized for any confusion this might cause. I'll double check instructions before giving out advices in the future.
Sorry about how harsh "WRONG" seems. The caps were to emphasize, for the OP, there is no doubt that NOAs do NOT need to be submitted. The object, of course, is to get it right. (And, actually, I tend to focus on a few other topics and generally leave subjects like this for others to respond, as this is a fairly straight-forward matter readily understood just by reading the form and checklist and, if it is still not quite clear, the application guide. But given repeated erroneous posts, an emphatic correction seemed in order. Not personal.)

Might warrant mentioning that even the RQ-related requests a small number of applicants get later in the process do NOT appear to be requesting NOAs either. T4 slips, yes, but NOT NOAs.

But of course it is important for all Canadians to keep good records, including tax records in particular, so of course PRs and citizens should retain their NOAs for at least . . . I forget, at least five years I think, but I have been keeping mine for a minimum of ten years.
 
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First, @canvan is WRONG about needing or submitting Notices of Assessment.



Again, this is just plain WRONG.

Secondly, mostly FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS. FOLLOW the CHECKLIST. Read and follow them as you understand them. (And use the most current versions available. The forms tend to change from time to time.)

There is NO requirement to submit any tax related documents. (Albeit IRCC may request some documents LATER in the process if there is a reason why IRCC has concerns about the applicant's eligibility.)

Item 12 in the current citizenship application form CIT 0002 (06-2018) is straight-forward.
-- The applicant is required to state the applicant's SIN (with easy to understand exceptions).
-- The applicant is required to list the preceding FIVE TAX YEARS and complete the chart by indicating, for each of those tax years:
-- -- whether the applicant was required (pursuant to CRA rules) to file a return that year, and
-- -- whether the applicant did file a return that year​

The requirement for citizenship eligibility is simply that the applicant must have complied with CRA tax filing obligations for at least three of the preceding five years. Thus, if the applicant has filed a return for three of the preceding five TAX years, the applicant meets this requirement. However, even if the applicant did not file a return for a given TAX year, if the applicant was not obligated to file a return (pursuant to CRA rules), the applicant checks "NO" and "NO" for such a year and that year also counts toward the THREE years of compliance.


TAX YEAR 2018:

Every year, early in the year questions are asked about the most recent tax year. Obviously, as of today (January 21, 2019) last year, 2018, is one of the five preceding TAX years and thus needs to be listed in Item 12. Many, probably most, will be required to file a return for 2018. BUT AS OF TODAY A "NO" NOT REQUIRED TO FILE response is appropriate for the TAX year 2018. There is NO requirement to file a tax return for 2018 until at least April 30, 2019 (for some there is no requirement to file until a later date; for example, those who are self-employed are not required to file a return for 2018 until June 15, 2019).

And, indeed, most prospective applicants who had earned income in 2018 will not be prepared to file a return until they have received information such as T4s, which many will not have yet.

So the tax year 2018 should be listed and as of today it would be OK to check "NO," not required to file, and "NO," taxes not filed, and this should count as one of the three tax years for which the applicant must show compliance with the tax filing obligation. (But see suggestions below.)


That said -- some suggestive observations:

Meeting the requirements meets the requirements. Sure, this is largely a meaningless tautology, but it is worth highlighting. We immigrants come to Canada with incredibly diverse scenarios and our lives in Canada encompass a wide, wide range of experiences and situations. So how to best answer many of the questions in the application form can be very PERSONAL, and WHEN to APPLY is likewise a very personal decision. For the prudent, cautious PR, just barely meeting the minimum requirements is NO WHERE NEAR GOOD ENOUGH. BUT more than a few among us have situations which do not allow for much flexibility.

So the WHEN to APPLY question is especially personal, a personal decision which should be made with due consideration given to many facets of the requirements and process. For example, a significant buffer over the minimum days present is prudent, at least some weeks extra in my view (I personally waited nearly two additional years to apply, but I had particularly personal circumstances motivating the decision to wait that long).

Relative to the requirement that the applicant have complied with tax filing obligations for at least THREE of the preceding FIVE TAX YEARS, obviously it is BEST if the applicant can truthfully report compliance for ALL five of the listed TAX years (which might include some "NO" and "NO" years (not required, no return filed years), especially for years prior to actually settling to live in Canada). Compliance for more than three of the relevant five tax years is NOT required, and it might not have much influence, but obviously full compliance presents a better picture, and many of us prefer to proceed looking our best.

Additionally, the further into the year it gets, the more one might want to lean toward filing a return for 2018 and being able to check "yes" and "yes" (yes, required, and yes filed) for 2018 . . . and, in respect to this, for many it might help to simply wait a little longer, if necessary, to do this (file the 2018 return before applying), thereby also adding some more buffer days for the presence calculation.

Thank you very much for the eleporated answer,

I will send NOA for 2014,2015,2016 and 2017 just to be on the safe side.

if you dont mind me asking something not related to the original post,

i know it sounds silly,but do i have to sumbit supporting documents for my physical presence since 2014, i dont see in the document check list anything pertaining to providing supporting documents to show that i was physically in canada for at least 1095 days..!!

i just renewed my PR,and i did support documents that prove i did complete 730days since 2014, i got my new PR on october 2018, so i only have to provide the remaining months of 2018 like employment pay stubs..etc.

do u think my application for citizenship might be procecced faster since they already checked my physical presence for my PR card renewal.

thank you
 

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Thank you very much for the eleporated answer,

I will send NOA for 2014,2015,2016 and 2017 just to be on the safe side.

if you dont mind me asking something not related to the original post,

i know it sounds silly,but do i have to sumbit supporting documents for my physical presence since 2014, i dont see in the document check list anything pertaining to providing supporting documents to show that i was physically in canada for at least 1095 days..!!

i just renewed my PR,and i did support documents that prove i did complete 730days since 2014, i got my new PR on october 2018, so i only have to provide the remaining months of 2018 like employment pay stubs..etc.

do u think my application for citizenship might be procecced faster since they already checked my physical presence for my PR card renewal.

thank you
Why are you sending the documents which are not requested? By doing this you just put unnecessary burden on the IRCC officers, make your application nonstandard, thus delayed, and steal the IRCC time which could be used more productively elsewhere.

Provide what are you asked for, no less, no more. IRCC instruction guide is very simple, concise and easy to follow. Do that.
 

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Why are you sending the documents which are not requested? By doing this you just put unnecessary burden on the IRCC officers, make your application nonstandard, thus delayed, and steal the IRCC time which could be used more productively elsewhere.

Provide what are you asked for, no less, no more. IRCC instruction guide is very simple, concise and easy to follow. Do that.
which documents u talking about, the Notice of Assesment or the supporting documents..!!

besides, watch your tone, no one asked you to answer and get into other people's businesses for your own good.