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PR - Renewal

sreekg2003

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May 10, 2018
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what date is considered as physical present for PR renewal?
Is that date we pay fee for pr renewal, or the date we sign in PR Renewal application?
or date we mail the application?
please clarify
 

zardoz

VIP Member
Feb 2, 2013
13,304
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
what date is considered as physical present for PR renewal?
Is that date we pay fee for pr renewal, or the date we sign in PR Renewal application?
or date we mail the application?
please clarify
Assume that it's the date that you sign the declaration in section G of the application form.
However, be aware that the compliance with the RO can be reassessed at any time, including during the physical collection of the PR card, if required by IRCC.
 

Ninio

Full Member
Oct 31, 2018
25
0
Hello friends

I applied for PR renewal and my application was received on the 30th of April 2018, on August 15 I received an e-mail asking me to provide them with entry exit record and colored photocopy of my passports used the last 5 years since I became a permanent resident.

I am working for a Canadian company since September 2014 and I am the purchase manager for that company responsible for purchasing from China and Congo since I regularly make business with many companies there since 2005 and searching for new customers and markets in the middle east and lately Nice France, so you can call me a busy person trying to pursue all the chances out there in order to maintain my standard life.

With such kind of responsibility and job, I have lots of travels during the year and I have to keep the company I work for updated with all the latest models and thus, keeping new markets updated with my company products as well.

So in the last 5 years, I managed to stay 600 days in Canada which as I've been told that the 730 days needed to maintain my residency, will be added since my travels are for my Canadian company job overseas ( I hope that is true).

My wife is Canadian, married since 2001 and I have to children, my boy is 16 and my daughter is 13 and they are both Canadians.

On 24 October 2018, I received an e-mail that they received my documents and they started reviewing my application. On the internet, it says that renewal should take around 100 days, does this mean that all days from 30 April 2018 (date received my application) and 24 October 2018 are all gone and that I have to start counting 100 days as of 24 October 2018?

Very soon I should be traveling to China to prepare for the Christmas season and I don't know what to do in this case since my PR is already expired.

Thanks for reading till the end
Regards
 

zardoz

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Feb 2, 2013
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16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
Hello friends

I applied for PR renewal and my application was received on the 30th of April 2018, on August 15 I received an e-mail asking me to provide them with entry exit record and colored photocopy of my passports used the last 5 years since I became a permanent resident.

I am working for a Canadian company since September 2014 and I am the purchase manager for that company responsible for purchasing from China and Congo since I regularly make business with many companies there since 2005 and searching for new customers and markets in the middle east and lately Nice France, so you can call me a busy person trying to pursue all the chances out there in order to maintain my standard life.

With such kind of responsibility and job, I have lots of travels during the year and I have to keep the company I work for updated with all the latest models and thus, keeping new markets updated with my company products as well.

So in the last 5 years, I managed to stay 600 days in Canada which as I've been told that the 730 days needed to maintain my residency, will be added since my travels are for my Canadian company job overseas ( I hope that is true).

My wife is Canadian, married since 2001 and I have to children, my boy is 16 and my daughter is 13 and they are both Canadians.

On 24 October 2018, I received an e-mail that they received my documents and they started reviewing my application. On the internet, it says that renewal should take around 100 days, does this mean that all days from 30 April 2018 (date received my application) and 24 October 2018 are all gone and that I have to start counting 100 days as of 24 October 2018?

Very soon I should be traveling to China to prepare for the Christmas season and I don't know what to do in this case since my PR is already expired.

Thanks for reading till the end
Regards
It is questionable if the days spent on business trips will be considered as contributing to residency days. Only IRCC can determine if this is the case.
As for leaving Canada again, you will be required to either have your new PR card, or a PRTD to fly back to Canada. When applying for a PRTD, your residency obligation compliance will be checked all over again. The alternative is to go to the USA and cross the border via private transportation.

You can ignore the 100 days value if they start questioning your compliance with the RO. It will take as long as it takes in that case.
 

Ninio

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Oct 31, 2018
25
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Thanks Zardos,

What exactly do you mean in your last sentence?

Is there a chance that I lose my residency ? what happens next ? I have my house here and my Canadian family and job and all the legal issues to be living as a Canadian citizen, tax paying and …..
 

Ninio

Full Member
Oct 31, 2018
25
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@ Zardos

To maintain your status as a permanent resident, you must live in Canada for at least two years within a five-year period. During this time you must be here physically.
Time spent outside Canada may also count towards the two years if you are:

  • travelling with your spouse or partner who is a Canadian citizen,
  • a dependent child travelling with his or her father or mother who is a Canadian citizen,
  • an employee of (or under contract to) a Canadian business.
As for losing the residency:

You must not engage in an act that would make you inadmissible to Canada such as committing a serious crime. Other acts that could lead to a permanent resident losing your status include security, human or international rights violations, organized criminality and misrepresentation. ( none of this apply on me )
This is from cic site
 

zardoz

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Feb 2, 2013
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
Thanks Zardos,

What exactly do you mean in your last sentence?

Is there a chance that I lose my residency ? what happens next ? I have my house here and my Canadian family and job and all the legal issues to be living as a Canadian citizen, tax paying and …..
The 100 days is for straightforward applications with "normal" processing. If your application has entered secondary review or been passed to the local IRCC office, that value is not applicable.
 

zardoz

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Feb 2, 2013
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Category........
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Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
@ Zardos

To maintain your status as a permanent resident, you must live in Canada for at least two years within a five-year period. During this time you must be here physically.
Time spent outside Canada may also count towards the two years if you are:

  • travelling with your spouse or partner who is a Canadian citizen,
  • a dependent child travelling with his or her father or mother who is a Canadian citizen,
  • an employee of (or under contract to) a Canadian business.
As for losing the residency:

You must not engage in an act that would make you inadmissible to Canada such as committing a serious crime. Other acts that could lead to a permanent resident losing your status include security, human or international rights violations, organized criminality and misrepresentation. ( none of this apply on me )
This is from cic site
The question is if IRCC will consider your business trip activity as meeting the Residency Obligations exemption or not. I do not intend to discuss the merits of this. That is up to IRCC to decide. If you are deemed not to be not meeting the RO, you become inadmissible.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/FullText.html
Non-compliance with Act

41 A person is inadmissible for failing to comply with this Act

  • (a) in the case of a foreign national, through an act or omission which contravenes, directly or indirectly, a provision of this Act; and

  • (b) in the case of a permanent resident, through failing to comply with subsection 27(2) or section 28.
See https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-14.html#h-32 for specifics.
 
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Ninio

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Oct 31, 2018
25
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The question is if IRCC will consider your business trip activity as meeting the Residency Obligations exemption or not. I do not intend to discuss the merits of this. That is up to IRCC to decide. If you are deemed not to be not meeting the RO, you become inadmissible.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/I-2.5/FullText.html
Non-compliance with Act

41 A person is inadmissible for failing to comply with this Act

  • (a) in the case of a foreign national, through an act or omission which contravenes, directly or indirectly, a provision of this Act; and

  • (b) in the case of a permanent resident, through failing to comply with subsection 27(2) or section 28.
See https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-2002-227/page-14.html#h-32 for specifics.
Residency obligation

  • 28 (1) A permanent resident must comply with a residency obligation with respect to every five-year period.

  • Marginal note:Application

    (2) The following provisions govern the residency obligation under subsection (1):
    • (a) a permanent resident complies with the residency obligation with respect to a five-year period if, on each of a total of at least 730 days in that five-year period, they are
      • (i) physically present in Canada,

      • (ii) outside Canada accompanying a Canadian citizen who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent,

      • (iii) outside Canada employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the federal public administration or the public service of a province,

      • (iv) outside Canada accompanying a permanent resident who is their spouse or common-law partner or, in the case of a child, their parent and who is employed on a full-time basis by a Canadian business or in the federal public administration or the public service of a province, or

      • (v) referred to in regulations providing for other means of compliance;
 

Ninio

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Oct 31, 2018
25
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@ zrdoz

Below is what the email I received on 16 August , is this considered normal or I entered the second review ? shouldn't they state that my application is gone through a second review?

This letter concerns your application for a Permanent Resident Card.



A preliminary review of your application has been completed and additional information is needed before a final review can be completed.



Subsection 28(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act describes the residency obligation with which permanent residents must comply.



Section 56 of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations states that a Permanent Resident Card application must include the addresses of all places of residence, as well as periods of absence from Canada, during the previous 5 years.



To examine whether you are in compliance with the requirements to be issued a new Permanent Resident Card pursuant to paragraph 59(1)(c) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations, we request that you provide additional information for the period of 2013/06/11 to 2018/04/24.



Please submit the following documents:



  • Photocopies of ALL pages (including blank pages) of your passport(s)/travel document(s) held in the last five (5) years. Ensure all pages are in colour and are clearly legible;


AND

  • Personal immigration entry/exit record or movement certificate issued by your country of citizenship and the countries where you have travelled or resided;


AND

· Any other document(s) supporting your physical presence in Canada











All documents must be accompanied by an official translation if they are in a language other than English or French. You should provide a certified copy of the English or French translation and a certified copy of the translator’s declaration. A translator’s declaration must include:

· the translator’s name

· the original language of the translated document, and

· a statement signed by a translator that the translation is accurate.
 

Ninio

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Oct 31, 2018
25
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@zardoz
This is what I received on October 2018 after sending all the documents that they asked for in the previous message I addressed you.

La présente confirme que votre demande de carte de résident permanent a été reçue par Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada (CIC) le 2018/04/30.



Does this mean that I have to start counting from October and that I shall forget all the time I waited from 30 April or what?

Thanks Zardoz for your time, I really appreciate your help
 

zardoz

VIP Member
Feb 2, 2013
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2,166
Canada
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
@zardoz
This is what I received on October 2018 after sending all the documents that they asked for in the previous message I addressed you.

La présente confirme que votre demande de carte de résident permanent a été reçue par Citoyenneté et Immigration Canada (CIC) le 2018/04/30.



Does this mean that I have to start counting from October and that I shall forget all the time I waited from 30 April or what?

Thanks Zardoz for your time, I really appreciate your help
It's impossible to say really. You should just assume that the 100 days value no longer applies to your specific case.
 

Ninio

Full Member
Oct 31, 2018
25
0
Good afternoon Zardoz, I hope you are fine

Today I called the immigration office in order to check about the status of my application to renew my residency card, the answering machines says that the processing time for PR renewal is 60 days and that all who applied on November 7 their cases should be done.

I gave the agent all my informations and told her that I submitted my application on April 30 2018 and then I was asked to present futher documents which I did and I received an email from the case processing center that my documents were received and started processing on 24 October 2018.

She said she can see all these informations and she told me that my file is already being studied in Montreal 1012 office, but she have no access t further informations.

Do you have any idea what that might mean? or in which position this puts my application processing time? what does it mean to transfer the file from Nova Scotia to Montreal for further study?

Thank you
 

zardoz

VIP Member
Feb 2, 2013
13,304
2,166
Canada
Category........
FAM
Visa Office......
London
App. Filed.......
16-02-2013
VISA ISSUED...
31-07-2013
LANDED..........
09-11-2013
Good afternoon Zardoz, I hope you are fine

Today I called the immigration office in order to check about the status of my application to renew my residency card, the answering machines says that the processing time for PR renewal is 60 days and that all who applied on November 7 their cases should be done.

I gave the agent all my informations and told her that I submitted my application on April 30 2018 and then I was asked to present futher documents which I did and I received an email from the case processing center that my documents were received and started processing on 24 October 2018.

She said she can see all these informations and she told me that my file is already being studied in Montreal 1012 office, but she have no access t further informations.

Do you have any idea what that might mean? or in which position this puts my application processing time? what does it mean to transfer the file from Nova Scotia to Montreal for further study?

Thank you
If it's been transferred to a local office, it usually means that the application is under further investigation. Do not assume that this is a good thing. More than that I cannot guess.
 

shabou

Full Member
Feb 8, 2019
48
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Good afternoon Zardoz, I hope you are fine

Today I called the immigration office in order to check about the status of my application to renew my residency card, the answering machines says that the processing time for PR renewal is 60 days and that all who applied on November 7 their cases should be done.

I gave the agent all my informations and told her that I submitted my application on April 30 2018 and then I was asked to present futher documents which I did and I received an email from the case processing center that my documents were received and started processing on 24 October 2018.

She said she can see all these informations and she told me that my file is already being studied in Montreal 1012 office, but she have no access t further informations.

Do you have any idea what that might mean? or in which position this puts my application processing time? what does it mean to transfer the file from Nova Scotia to Montreal for further study?

Thank you
Dear Ninio; any news about your case? Did you received your card? I 'm at the same situation like yours….please advise, thanks