Need help in Conjugal Sponsorhip

[edrianct]

Hi. I'm 22 years old from the Philippines and I met my same sex partner (male) in an online dating site. He is from Quebec and we've been in a long distance relationship for 6 months now. He wants me to visit him there however, on my current status I have a strong chance of refusal since I'm not financially capable and I don't have any travel history . He is also unable to come here in my country since he has a farm and he's the only one managing it. He's now planning to sell his farm for him to come if there is no other way that I could come to Canada. We are planning to apply for a Conjugal sponsorship if possible so I'm seeking your advise and help with our situation. Your answers would be highly appreciated. Thank you!

 

[jddd]

Hi. The only red flag I see here is the length of your relationship and the fact that (from what I understand) he has not visited you yet. Conjugal partner sponsorship is difficult and the burden of proof will be on you to prove that you are in a marriage like relationship. By this I mean you have to show quite a good amount of dependency on each other which 6 months of being in an online relationship usually won’t be able to do.

 

[canuck78]

This is not a conjugal case. There aren't any immigration barriers preventing you from living together. He could live with you for a year in the Philippines or some other country (unlikely Canada). You could also get married if you can both get a visa to a country where same sex marriages are legal.

 

[edrianct]

Thanks for your answers. Getting married in Brazil is also one of our options since I can go there without visa. Do you think Spousal sponsorship for us will work and how much time is the process?

 

[jddd]

Thanks for your answers. Getting married in Brazil is also one of our options since I can go there without visa. Do you think Spousal sponsorship for us will work and how much time is the process?

No one can really tell you but that is a step forward. Again, 6 months of dating and a quickie marriage will cast doubts on how genuine the relationship is. Straight forward spousal applications take about a year. Cannot say if yours will be treated as straight forward or not.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Thanks for your answers. Getting married in Brazil is also one of our options since I can go there without visa. Do you think Spousal sponsorship for us will work and how much time is the process?

At this point, no. An online relationship and marrying on the first visit are huge red flags.

How old are you both? Do you speak the same language? What are your religions/cultures/educational backgrounds?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

This is not a conjugal case. There aren't any immigration barriers preventing you from living together. He could live with you for a year in the Philippines or some other country (unlikely Canada). You could also get married if you can both get a visa to a country where same sex marriages are legal.

IRCC does not require people to go to third countries to marry or become common-law. If they did, there would be no conjugal class.

 

[edrianct]

IRCC does not require people to go to third countries to marry or become common-law. If they did, there would be no conjugal class.

Yes I think IRCC will still recognize us as conjugal partners even if we didn't see eaxh other right? We just need to provide evidence of marriage-like relationship for a year. Correct me if I'm wrong because that is what I have read on the cic website earlier.

 

[edrianct]

At this point, no. An online relationship and marrying on the first visit are huge red flags.

How old are you both? Do you speak the same language? What are your religions/cultures/educational backgrounds?

What if we stay together for a couple of months in my country or any other country which I can go to before we'll have the marriage? bc we also don't want fixed marriage. I'm 10 years younger than him. his from Quebec he speaks French and English and we love doing the same things so we fell in love with each other but these immigration rules are so frustrating so we're worried if we can be together soon. Thanks for your responses btw

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Yes I think IRCC will still recognize us as conjugal partners even if we didn't see eaxh other right? We just need to provide evidence of marriage-like relationship for a year. Correct me if I'm wrong because that is what I have read on the cic website earlier.

No. If you don't actually see each other in person, you have zero chance of any sponsorship app succeeding. You can't have a marriage-like relationship without in-person contact, especially since there is nothing actually preventing him from visiting you.

What if we stay together for a couple of months in my country or any other country which I can go to before we'll have the marriage? bc we also don't want fixed marriage. I'm 10 years younger than him. his from Quebec he speaks French and English and we love doing the same things so we fell in love with each other but these immigration rules are so frustrating so we're worried if we can be together soon. Thanks for your responses btw

Spending a few months together would definitely help. 10 years isn't a massive age difference but still something to be addressed. You haven't said if you speak English or French (posting in English on the forum is not confirmation, as many people use online translation and apps).

 

[canuck78]

IRCC does not require people to go to third countries to marry or become common-law. If they did, there would be no conjugal class.

Just suggesting various ways they could live together or get married if their goal was sponsorship. They may not want to live in the Philippines. Easiest would obviously be that Canadian citizen lives in Philippines for a year so they could meet the common law requirement. Would suggest a quick trip to meet each other in person before thinking about sponsorship.

 

[vensak]

IRCC does not require people to go to third countries to marry or become common-law. If they did, there would be no conjugal class.

However they do require to show that they are unable to get into common law relationship or marriage. In this case it is a mission impossible to prove. They have both options opened (They can get married in any country where gay marriages are allowed and they have plenty countries where they can live).
That option is usually for Canadians that are assigned on a special missions (for example army missions or assigned other official governmental business).

In this case they have 0 chance with conjugal application.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

However they do require to show that they are unable to get into common law relationship or marriage. In this case it is a mission impossible to prove. They have both options opened (They can get married in any country where gay marriages are allowed and they have plenty countries where they can live).
That option is usually for Canadians that are assigned on a special missions (for example army missions or assigned other official governmental business).

In this case they have 0 chance with conjugal application.

Again, IRCC does not require third countries to be considered for conjugal. A couple must show legal and immigration barriers for Canada and the partner's country. The fact that they can marry in a third country is irrelevant.

Not sure why you think conjugal is more for Canadian military/officials. It was created in response to actual legal/immigration barriers like foreign laws against homosexuality, divorce, adultery etc. In practice, it is mostly used by people in the Philippines because of their strict laws.

 

[jddd]

However they do require to show that they are unable to get into common law relationship or marriage. In this case it is a mission impossible to prove. They have both options opened (They can get married in any country where gay marriages are allowed and they have plenty countries where they can live).
That option is usually for Canadians that are assigned on a special missions (for example army missions or assigned other official governmental business).

In this case they have 0 chance with conjugal application.

Agree with canuck_in_uk. I am part of a Facebook group for Filipinos undergoing spousal/common-law/conjugal sponsorship. Of all applications sent for 2017 that are same sex CONJUGAL applications:
1. 100% did not attempt to live in the Philippines with the partner
2. 100% had rejected visitor visa applications
3. 100% did not attempt to marry in another country
4. 90% were approved and have already landed

Of the 90% that were approved:
1. 100% received their permanent resident visas within the 12 month processing time, 2 couples getting as fast as a 6 month processing only
2. 100% provided strong evidence that they are in a marriage-like relationship where they have been together a minimum of of 5 years and showed joint ownership of property and bank accounts

To OP: you may wanna join the group to get more insight on what you plan to do, canuck78 and canuck_in_uk generally gave you what you need to know though. The Facebook group I am referring to is called 2017-2018 Canada Spousal Sponsorship.

 

[vensak]

Agree with canuck_in_uk. I am part of a Facebook group for Filipinos undergoing spousal/common-law/conjugal sponsorship. Of all applications sent for 2017 that are same sex CONJUGAL applications:
1. 100% did not attempt to live in the Philippines with the partner
2. 100% had rejected visitor visa applications
3. 100% did not attempt to marry in another country
4. 90% were approved and have already landed

Of the 90% that were approved:
1. 100% received their permanent resident visas within the 12 month processing time, 2 couples getting as fast as a 6 month processing only
2. 100% provided strong evidence that they are in a marriage-like relationship where they have been together a minimum of of 5 years and showed joint ownership of property and bank accounts

To OP: you may wanna join the group to get more insight on what you plan to do, canuck78 and canuck_in_uk generally gave you what you need to know though. The Facebook group I am referring to is called 2017-2018 Canada Spousal Sponsorship.

Ok did they attempt to live together in a 3rd party country? you only stated that they did not live in Philippines. (that leaves out the rest of the world) (I would not be surprise if some of those "conjugal" applications were actually classified as common law).

Did they attempt to visit each other? You have only stated that the Filipino spouse got their visa rejected, but you did not state if Canadian partner did visit him or her. You also did not state if they meet each other in 3rd country.

What you stated below most likely proves the opposite (it indirectly points to several meet ups and some time spent together somewhere).

The case in this thread would be seen so far at best as some romantic chitchat on FB / Instagram / Skype. (they are talking 6 months and they have never seen each other in person. Other than long talks there are no additional ties there).