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shersingh

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Oct 5, 2017
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Check this CIC link and focus on the below highlighted sentence:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/become-candidate/eligibility/education-assessed/read-report.html

"A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school)"


The minimum duration in all the listed sections is one year. I hope it answers your question.
I opened the link and I have copy-pasted here what it says. It says a 3 year degree + any one from the list...

Where does it say 1 year?

Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.
Important notice: One must be for a program of three or more years.

ECA assessment results:

A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school), or:

  • Post-Bachelor's Certificate
  • Post-undergraduate certificate
  • Post-Bachelor's Diploma
  • Post-undergraduate diploma
  • Graduate Certificate
  • Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • Postgraduate certificate
  • Postgraduate Diploma
  • Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • Graduate diploma
  • two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
  • two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
  • Dual Bachelor’s degree (four years)
 

closingtime

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Nov 3, 2017
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NOC Code......
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I opened the link and I have copy-pasted here what it says. It says a 3 year degree + any one from the list...

Where does it say 1 year?

Two or more certificates, diplomas, or degrees.
Important notice: One must be for a program of three or more years.

ECA assessment results:

A three-year or more certificate, diploma, or degree

PLUS any of the results in the sections below (not including secondary/high school), or:

  • Post-Bachelor's Certificate
  • Post-undergraduate certificate
  • Post-Bachelor's Diploma
  • Post-undergraduate diploma
  • Graduate Certificate
  • Graduate Certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • Postgraduate certificate
  • Postgraduate Diploma
  • Graduate Diploma with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • Graduate diploma
  • two-year Postgraduate Diploma, specializing in [name of discipline]
  • two-year Bachelor’s after degree with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • one-year Postgraduate Certificate in [name of discipline]
  • Dual Bachelor’s degree (four years)
It doesn't say a year you are correct.

I am going down this route myself, starting a postgraduate certificate in May, which finishes in November ( full time course at university ). It is a years course, but I am completing it (hopefully) in 6 months by taking two semesters at once. My university is pretty clear that it is a full post graduate certificate equivalent to a year of study, so in theory it should boost my points.

The true challenge will be with the ECA institutions, which are in my experience so far, completely useless and not fit for purpose and certainly not worth the fees they charge. I have an email from one, essentially saying "yes we agree that your study is in excess of what we accredited you with, but we are ignoring that because it doesn't fit tidily into our tick box exercise"....... the other one actually change their website after I showed them my credentials were catered for on their own website material ( which you can still evidence via the way back machine ) and I have stored the HTML files. :)

So I would say pursue the extra study at your own risk, even if it is completely valid, does not mean the likes of WES or IQAS will treat it as such.

For what its worth I am documenting my entire process to share with others, next year is my last roll of the dice before I give up as my cripplingly advanced age of 36 essentially cuts me off from entry into Canada, even if I achieve a PHD.... so at that point I will share everything I have in some way so that others can learn from what I have experienced.
 

shersingh

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Oct 5, 2017
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It doesn't say a year you are correct.

I am going down this route myself, starting a postgraduate certificate in May, which finishes in November ( full time course at university ). It is a years course, but I am completing it (hopefully) in 6 months by taking two semesters at once. My university is pretty clear that it is a full post graduate certificate equivalent to a year of study, so in theory it should boost my points.

The true challenge will be with the ECA institutions, which are in my experience so far, completely useless and not fit for purpose and certainly not worth the fees they charge. I have an email from one, essentially saying "yes we agree that your study is in excess of what we accredited you with, but we are ignoring that because it doesn't fit tidily into our tick box exercise"....... the other one actually change their website after I showed them my credentials were catered for on their own website material ( which you can still evidence via the way back machine ) and I have stored the HTML files. :)

So I would say pursue the extra study at your own risk, even if it is completely valid, does not mean the likes of WES or IQAS will treat it as such.

For what its worth I am documenting my entire process to share with others, next year is my last roll of the dice before I give up as my cripplingly advanced age of 36 essentially cuts me off from entry into Canada, even if I achieve a PHD.... so at that point I will share everything I have in some way so that others can learn from what I have experienced.
Do you know how many credits does your course equate to? The one I have looked at are 12-16 credits.
 

WoundedTiger

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It doesn't say a year you are correct.

I am going down this route myself, starting a postgraduate certificate in May, which finishes in November ( full time course at university ). It is a years course, but I am completing it (hopefully) in 6 months by taking two semesters at once. My university is pretty clear that it is a full post graduate certificate equivalent to a year of study, so in theory it should boost my points.

The true challenge will be with the ECA institutions, which are in my experience so far, completely useless and not fit for purpose and certainly not worth the fees they charge. I have an email from one, essentially saying "yes we agree that your study is in excess of what we accredited you with, but we are ignoring that because it doesn't fit tidily into our tick box exercise"....... the other one actually change their website after I showed them my credentials were catered for on their own website material ( which you can still evidence via the way back machine ) and I have stored the HTML files. :)

So I would say pursue the extra study at your own risk, even if it is completely valid, does not mean the likes of WES or IQAS will treat it as such.

For what its worth I am documenting my entire process to share with others, next year is my last roll of the dice before I give up as my cripplingly advanced age of 36 essentially cuts me off from entry into Canada, even if I achieve a PHD.... so at that point I will share everything I have in some way so that others can learn from what I have experienced.
I hope you make it this year ....what u have just pointed is pure hypocrisy on part of evaluating agency...
 

shersingh

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Oct 5, 2017
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This is from wikipedia#
In Canada, a graduate certificate is a university credential usually offered to students who have completed an average of 15 credits of graduate course work.

I am also thinking for a similar course with 16 credits. I am hopeful that this should work.
 

bfcsiqueira

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Mar 14, 2018
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Hey everyone,

I recently got a NOI for OINP on the 26th of March, but I'm in a weird situation with my work experience.

I started working full-time(40 hours) on the 21st of April 2017, so I technically only have 11 months and change of experience.

I created my express entry profile on March 14, and selected April 2017 as starting date (can only select months on EE). On EE I always appeared as eligible for CEC, even though I didn't complete 12 full months yet. So I'm not sure if they calculate the hours equivalent to 1560 or how it works at all.

Now making my OINP application, this section is kind of scary: Note: Any work experience obtained after you received your Notification of Interest through your IRCC online account will not count towards the minimum 12 months of work experience required. You must have accumulated at least 12 months of work experience by the date that you received your NOI to qualify under the Human Capital Priorities Stream.

They ask for the specific day I started working, instead of just the month as well. So I'd be filling my employment start date as 21st of April 2017, while my NOI was on 26th of March 2018.

Do you all think I would get rejected?
 

hope2018

Champion Member
Mar 14, 2018
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Hey everyone,

I recently got a NOI for OINP on the 26th of March, but I'm in a weird situation with my work experience.

I started working full-time(40 hours) on the 21st of April 2017, so I technically only have 11 months and change of experience.

I created my express entry profile on March 14, and selected April 2017 as starting date (can only select months on EE). On EE I always appeared as eligible for CEC, even though I didn't complete 12 full months yet. So I'm not sure if they calculate the hours equivalent to 1560 or how it works at all.

Now making my OINP application, this section is kind of scary: Note: Any work experience obtained after you received your Notification of Interest through your IRCC online account will not count towards the minimum 12 months of work experience required. You must have accumulated at least 12 months of work experience by the date that you received your NOI to qualify under the Human Capital Priorities Stream.

They ask for the specific day I started working, instead of just the month as well. So I'd be filling my employment start date as 21st of April 2017, while my NOI was on 26th of March 2018.

Do you all think I would get rejected?
Even if it's just a day short don't take chances, as you just started working I'm sure age is on your side so create EE profile again once you gain min required experience and hope to get a NOI again.
 

ishq74

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Jul 18, 2017
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The 1 year minimum duration - is it listed anywhere, or is based on your experience?

See this link for an example of a graduate certificate course on Project Management from a Canadian institute. The course is 6 months long.
http://www.royalroads.ca/prospective-students/graduate-certificate-project-management

I am not trying to challange you or anything, I am just trying to find whatever I can...
I guess you don't have an EE profile yet! If you had one then you wouldn't have asked me this question. When you will be filling education part of your EE profile you have to select your Level of Education from a drop down menu where you will only see options for
  • Secondary
  • One year,
  • Two year,
  • Bachelors,
  • Masters and
  • PhD.
You must have a Completed Canadian equivalent certificate, diploma or degree which are mentioned in the conversion table and you must select one of the options as level of education. If your ECA says Diploma (one semester) then which option you would chose? None! One semester duration is not a completed credential. You must have at least One year long certificate, diploma or degree along with minimum three years diploma or degree to be able to claim points for "Two or more certificates.....".

Hope you understand now. Good Luck!
 

amalmathew

Star Member
Sep 19, 2017
139
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Hi all,
As far as oinp is concerned will they start assessment of applications in the first submitted first serve basis or not?
Like I have seen folks who submitted 2 weeks after mine got thier file moved to assessment, but mine still.in submitted stage.
 

closingtime

Star Member
Nov 3, 2017
68
37
NOC Code......
0213
I guess you don't have an EE profile yet! If you had one then you wouldn't have asked me this question. When you will be filling education part of your EE profile you have to select your Level of Education from a drop down menu where you will only see options for
  • Secondary
  • One year,
  • Two year,
  • Bachelors,
  • Masters and
  • PhD.
You must have a Completed Canadian equivalent certificate, diploma or degree which are mentioned in the conversion table and you must select one of the options as level of education. If your ECA says Diploma (one semester) then which option you would chose? None! One semester duration is not a completed credential. You must have at least One year long certificate, diploma or degree along with minimum three years diploma or degree to be able to claim points for "Two or more certificates.....".

Hope you understand now. Good Luck!
The picklist on the website does say this you are correct however here

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/express-entry/become-candidate/eligibility/education-assessed/read-report.html

It says the following. ( when checking your ECA results ).

One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
ECA assessment results:

  • College Certificate
  • Completion of College-level certificate
  • University Certificate
  • University Diploma
  • One-year certificate in [name of discipline]
  • Post-secondary certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • One-year Post-secondary certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
  • One-year certificate
The one year criteria is not specifically stated, in the one year section.

It all comes down to how the ECA institution evaluates I guess. Nice little earner for the ECA companies really. I personally have very little faith in their abilities to evaluate correctly based on what I have experienced so far, so I will grant you that.