Child born to Canada PR holders outside Canada

[SJ118]

Hi everyone,

Need your help. I along with my wife did a short landing in June 2016 and I am planning to move permanently in June 2018. We had received PR cards in Sep 2016. We were blessed with a child during our stay in India in Sep 2017. I checked multiple threads in canadavisa.com and found that the best way to bring the child along is to get TRV since TRP gets rejected quite frequently. However, when i checked on the cic website, it shows that the average time for TRV is 11 months. Other option is to go to Canada and sponsor the baby but i found online that it might take upto 1 year. Kindly suggest how can i take my child along with me as soon as possible.

 

[steaky]

Your last option is better. Small children generally requires more medical attention than adults like you, which costs will be substantial if pay from your own pockets.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Hi everyone,

Need your help. I along with my wife did a short landing in June 2016 and I am planning to move permanently in June 2018. We had received PR cards in Sep 2016. We were blessed with a child during our stay in India in Sep 2017. I checked multiple threads in canadavisa.com and found that the best way to bring the child along is to get TRV since TRP gets rejected quite frequently. However, when i checked on the cic website, it shows that the average time for TRV is 11 months. Other option is to go to Canada and sponsor the baby but i found online that it might take upto 1 year. Kindly suggest how can i take my child along with me as soon as possible.

Hi

I suggest you go back and research. TRVs are often refused and people then apply for TRPs. Current processing time for a TRV is a few weeks, not 11 months.

You can try for a TRV/TRP but if refused, one of you needs to return to Canada to sponsor the child.

 

[SJ118]

Hi

I suggest you go back and research. TRVs are often refused and people then apply for TRPs. Current processing time for a TRV is a few weeks, not 11 months.

You can try for a TRV/TRP but if refused, one of you needs to return to Canada to sponsor the child.

Hi,
Thanks for your responses. Request your help for a few more questions:

1. I will be applying TRV and if rejected then TRP from India. The processing time for TRV as you mentioned above is for people applying from India? What is the approximate processing time for TRP?
2. Would my child's medicals be covered under TRV/TRP?
3. If both TRV and TRP are rejected (which i hope not), I would come to Canada while my wife stays with the child. In this case, would i have to wait for 1 year for the sponsorship to get completed or would there be any way to bring them sooner?

Thanks!

 

[canuck78]

1. Hard to tell but a few weeks to a few months. Likely weeks not months.
2. No health care coverage
3. No you would have to wait until your child gets his landing papers before he/she can come to Canada. Your wife could come at any time.

 

[APPNOV2014NY]

2. No health care coverage

Read somewhere that dependents ( visitors) of PR holders can get health coverage once proof of submission of PR application of the dependents is shown. Not sure how true this is.

 

[canuck78]

In Ontario you can apply when you get AIP but there is a process because they often deny you first. Instructions are on the forum. Then you can start the 3 month waiting period. Often leads to a month or two less wait before you start the 3 month wait that anyone landing Ontario must do. You are still going to be withiut healthcare for at least a year if coming to Ontario. Can't say whether other provinces make exceptions but usually not.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Read somewhere that dependents ( visitors) of PR holders can get health coverage once proof of submission of PR application of the dependents is shown. Not sure how true this is.

Depends on the province.

 

[alok4best]

>As people have already mentioned, you will be applying for a TRV for your child, which is also popularly known as tourist/visitor visa.
>The current processing time for TRV at New Delhi Visa office is around 26 days.
>Since the baby cannot provide their own supporting documents, the outcome of TRV will largely depend on what details are provided by you. Since you and your wife would be primarily responsible for all expenses and other logistics of your baby's stay here.
>Considering you just did a soft landing and have not yet settled in a steady life and job in Canada, the outcome of TRV application will be very tricky. A lot will depend on whether you have a job lined up in Canada, how much cash balance you have, etc etc. And even then nothing is guaranteed.
>The worse could be that TRV is denied and one of you will have to first travel to Canada and establish yourself. You will then apply for a PR sponsorship for your child and need to be approved as a sponsor. End to end, from your arrival in Canada to approval of PR for your child, it can easily take 18-24 months.

This is why it is a very very bad idea for ppl to land as PRs and then have their babies outside Canada.

P.S. You really need to make decisions fast, because it is already close to 2 years since you landed. If your wife is forced to stay back to take care of the child, she will also be risking her PR status due to RO requirements.

 

[SJ118]

>As people have already mentioned, you will be applying for a TRV for your child, which is also popularly known as tourist/visitor visa.
>The current processing time for TRV at New Delhi Visa office is around 26 days.
>Since the baby cannot provide their own supporting documents, the outcome of TRV will largely depend on what details are provided by you. Since you and your wife would be primarily responsible for all expenses and other logistics of your baby's stay here.
>Considering you just did a soft landing and have not yet settled in a steady life and job in Canada, the outcome of TRV application will be very tricky. A lot will depend on whether you have a job lined up in Canada, how much cash balance you have, etc etc. And even then nothing is guaranteed.
>The worse could be that TRV is denied and one of you will have to first travel to Canada and establish yourself. You will then apply for a PR sponsorship for your child and need to be approved as a sponsor. End to end, from your arrival in Canada to approval of PR for your child, it can easily take 18-24 months.

This is why it is a very very bad idea for ppl to land as PRs and then have their babies outside Canada.

P.S. You really need to make decisions fast, because it is already close to 2 years since you landed. If your wife is forced to stay back to take care of the child, she will also be risking her PR status due to RO requirements.

Thanks Alok for your very explanatory response. I have booked my tickets and will be landing in Canada on 1st June. I dont have a job offer yet and I am planning to search upon landing. I am planning to stay in Canada alone for first 3-4 months to get basic logistics in place and then my wife and child would accompany me (around Sep)

Please suggest if i should not apply for TRV right now and rather apply for it after my landing and getting a job (hopefully) as the processing time is only around a month and my child wouldn't anyway travel for next 5-6 months. If this is a better approach, can i start the child's PR process in parallel once i land in Canada and submit a proof of PR application along with the TRV application. Would this increase my chances of getting to stay with my family in Canada sooner?

 

[alok4best]

Thanks Alok for your very explanatory response. I have booked my tickets and will be landing in Canada on 1st June. I dont have a job offer yet and I am planning to search upon landing. I am planning to stay in Canada alone for first 3-4 months to get basic logistics in place and then my wife and child would accompany me (around Sep)

Please suggest if i should not apply for TRV right now and rather apply for it after my landing and getting a job (hopefully) as the processing time is only around a month and my child wouldn't anyway travel for next 5-6 months. If this is a better approach, can i start the child's PR process in parallel once i land in Canada and submit a proof of PR application along with the TRV application. Would this increase my chances of getting to stay with my family in Canada sooner?

I will try to answer this to the best of my knowledge. Let me split your question in two parts.

1> When to apply TRV for your child. Yes, it would make more sense that you first come here and settle first. Get a job and save some money. Since you will be responsible for all the expenses, it will immensely help your application if you submit recent 3 months payslips, Canadian bank account statement and such. So trying for a TRV sometime later this year will have better chances of approval. The processing time for TRV at Delhi visa office keeps fluctuating between 15 days to 30 day. Right now it's down to 15 days for TRV applications from India. You can keep a track here.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/times/
2> How soon can you apply for PR for your kid. I am afraid I might not 100% correct with this. But the general idea is that any PR sponsorship consists of two parts. First is that you should be approved as a sponsor first. This basically means that CIC will investigate your situation and see if you can financially and otherwise support the person you have sponsored for next 2 years. The second part of process is the approval for sponsored person themselves. This usually means eligibility and background checks of the sponsored person. You can very much guess that for your case, the second part is essentially no big deal. Your approval as a sponsor is the tricky part. From few people that I know who have sponsored someone, like their spouse, I have seen everyone supplying things like bank statements, job letters for permanent jobs, and most importantly tax returns.

Other senior members can guide you more, but I have a feeling that your best bet to get approved as a sponsor is going to be next year. Around same time, Feb-Mar. By then, you should have 9-10 months of steady income, and IT returns for 2018 as well. Till then, and even while their PR application is being processed, your child can continue to come to Canada on TRV

 

[APPNOV2014NY]

With my earlier research I concluded that it will take 6-8 months for my US born kid to get Canadian PR through family sponsorship route.

 

[canuck78]

Would try to speed up your timeline. Remember your wife needs to be in compliance with her RO. Would suggest applying for a trv soon after you land or even before you leave. Then if it gets rejected try for trp. If both get rejected start the PR application for your child as soon as possible in Canada.