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Remember that you aren't out of compliance yet. If you don't actually leave Canada, you're on track to fully comply with the obligation in a year plus change. And the whole point of them coming to meet you is so you can follow the rules and stay in Canada to comply with RO, so ...

I would be surprised if being out of compliance, but being in Canada, were an issue at the border after the TRV was issued. (If it was going to be a problem - which as other posters have implied, is unlikely at all - I'd have thought if anything it'd be with getting the TRVs issued.)
@abff08f4813c understood. The TRV was applied and issued in 2023 when i was not in canada for a week also. I just applied TRV for them just in case if need arises and thats the card i am playing now. Thanks for clarifying.
Would you know whether signed consent letter for a minor is required to submit at border when the minor is travelling with one parent and the other parent(me) is in Canada?
 
Again:
-once IRCC issues a visa (eg the trv for your spouse and child - if of course they do), border services rarely challenges it unless there is some explicit reason to do so. Even you being out of compliance would not really be a reason to do so (IMO), nor would there likely be notification in THEIR (your spouse's) computer record of YOUR issue. Being out of compliance does not automatically trigger a process to strip PR status.*

Don't overthink it. Not having accumulated the 730 days yet is NOT the same thing as 'not meeting the RO.'

Now the most important:
-if you have done your arithmetic correctly, you are compliant with the residency obligation. You are 'close' - if you leave for eg 12 days you could fall out of compliance - but for now, you are in compliance. (Try not to fall out of compliance! It will make things easier!)
-The representation people have in their minds of 'meeting the RO' (i.e. getting to those 730 days) is basically wrong. There is in compliance and there is not in compliance.
-If you are in compliance at the point your spouse arises, there is, essentially, nothing for them to challenge. (even if you were out of compliance at the point they cross the border, it's pretty unlikely that only being out of compliance would cause an issue for them - don't get lost in the technical weeds)
-To extent IRCC is actually checking your physical presence/RO compliance at this point - that is checking. It's very different from a finding that you're out of compliance, and even further from anything triggering loss of PR status.




* This gets into the weeds a bit, but: the distinction I'm drawing here - somewhat simplified - is being 'out of compliance' (arithmetically, let's say) vs a formal finding that the PR is inadmissible /due to not complying with the residency obligation./ The latter requires a process, including an appeal, where 'other information' than just arithmetic compliance is considered. Point being: when a PR becomes arithmetically out of compliance, they are STILL a PR. Nothing happens automatically - although they could and perhaps do in some contexts 'set a flag', the individual is STILL a PR and are not 'in trouble'. IRCC cannot strip the status without getting more information, being examined, the PR having /some/ opportunity to respond (give reasons that constitute evidence they are compliant by other means - leaving out detail for such reasons here - and/or have reasons that should be considered for compassionate consideration), usually possibility to appeal, etc.
@armoured . Understood. Thank you for the insights. i do have medical reasons of why i could not travel in 2022 till 2025. My daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy(GEFS+) we stayed in india for a better family environment for her and local doctor treatment. it was not an option for me to take them to canada with a known health condition. Infact after her diagnosis i had dropped my plans to come to canada. But since 2025 she is recovered and has been in stable condition. so i moved to canada and started the spousal sponsorship. it is under process.
I would just wait for my PR card and have my family travel on TRV.
Appreciate you for taking time to have been replying. Thanks.
 
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@abff08f4813c understood. The TRV was applied and issued in 2023 when i was not in canada for a week also. I just applied TRV for them just in case if need arises and thats the card i am playing now. Thanks for clarifying.
Would you know whether signed consent letter for a minor is required to submit at border when the minor is travelling with one parent and the other parent(me) is in Canada?
So they already have the TRVs and they are still valid? If so, there should be no problem. As far as arriving, they should mainly keep two things in mind: i) don't travel with all of their worldly belongings; amounts carried should be consistent with the length of visit they're claiming (eg six months is normal max). ii) If asked, acknowledge they have PR sponsorship in process - but will only stay as long as they're allowed and then leave. (Everyone knows this means 'we'll stay without leaving if Pr is approved while in country.'

Letters for minors travelling with a parent is usually more about the departing country's controls and sometimes the airlines - some won't ask. In most contexts, a letter from that parent saying roughly 'travel agreed for joining parent in Canada' will be fine, with usual supporting (marriage docs, some evidence of residence, etc). Some places it may be recommended to have a formal notarized permission letter. On the Canadian side when arriving - probably not an issue in the slightest for obvious reasons.
@armoured . Understood. Thank you for the insights. i do have medical reasons of why i could not travel in 2022 till 2025. My daughter was diagnosed with epilepsy(GEFS+) we stayed in india for a better family environment for her and local doctor treatment. it was not an option for me to take them to canada with a known health condition. Infact after her diagnosis i had dropped my plans to come to canada. But since 2025 she is recovered and has been in stable condition. so i moved to canada and started the spousal sponsorship. it is under process.
I would just wait for my PR card and have my family travel on TRV.
Appreciate you for taking time to have been replying. Thanks.
They should be able to come before your PR card issued, up to you whether this fits plans. Obviously be aware of the health insurance issue (routine medical stuff and notably for pre-existing conditions would probably have to be out of pocket with most 'travel insurance' type packages.

Side note: your and daughter's medical issues are exactly the type of reason that PR status under law right now cannot be stripped automatically for being out of compliance. IRCC would have to determine that there are no extenuating circumstances, and medical reasons are amongst the most obvious, before making a PR inadmissible for not complying with the residency obligation. But that's only an example - at this point the key is it has a separate process which is not initiated or completed automatically. Stay in Canada for now and you should be good.
 
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So they already have the TRVs and they are still valid? If so, there should be no problem. As far as arriving, they should mainly keep two things in mind: i) don't travel with all of their worldly belongings; amounts carried should be consistent with the length of visit they're claiming (eg six months is normal max). ii) If asked, acknowledge they have PR sponsorship in process - but will only stay as long as they're allowed and then leave. (Everyone knows this means 'we'll stay without leaving if Pr is approved while in country.'

Letters for minors travelling with a parent is usually more about the departing country's controls and sometimes the airlines - some won't ask. In most contexts, a letter from that parent saying roughly 'travel agreed for joining parent in Canada' will be fine, with usual supporting (marriage docs, some evidence of residence, etc). Some places it may be recommended to have a formal notarized permission letter. On the Canadian side when arriving - probably not an issue in the slightest for obvious reasons.

They should be able to come before your PR card issued, up to you whether this fits plans. Obviously be aware of the health insurance issue (routine medical stuff and notably for pre-existing conditions would probably have to be out of pocket with most 'travel insurance' type packages.

Side note: your and daughter's medical issues are exactly the type of reason that PR status under law right now cannot be stripped automatically for being out of compliance. IRCC would have to determine that there are no extenuating circumstances, and medical reasons are amongst the most obvious, before making a PR inadmissible for not complying with the residency obligation. But that's only an example - at this point the key is it has a separate process which is not initiated or completed automatically. Stay in Canada for now and you should be good.
@armoured Yes. the TRV issued in 2023 valid for 10 years with multiple entries.
I noted your points about insurance and letter. Thanks.
 
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hi All,
i have applied for PR renewal and approved last month. My wife PR, IRCC asking for more details. we both were in the country around 750 days. I was around 780 days and my wife around 750 days. As i have employment and other evidences, it seems there were no questions. For my wife, we only had statement, child benefits to submit two peices of evidence.

· Photocopies of all pages (including blank pages) of all your past and current passport(s) - or travel document(s) - used to enter or leave Canada or other countries for last 5 years in All pages must be photocopied in colour and must be clearly legible.

· A personal immigration entry/exit record, or movement certificate, issued by your country of citizenship, and countries other than Canada where you have resided.

· Any other document(s) confirming your employment or studies in Canada or overseas, your physical presence in Canada or your absences from Canada.

· Please send any formal document(s) that will establish your presence in Canada at specific times or dates.


Now they are asking for above details, one of them entry/exit record, i thought they can get from CBSA.
From above, I can share the passport pages, but what else we can provide to prove her physical presence? Bank statements and Child benefit statement from CRA also submitted.
we had lot of travel and do not remember the dates that we submitted in the application. is there any way to see what we submitted?
from India, what records we have to show entry/exit apart from passport stamps.
 
we had lot of travel and do not remember the dates that we submitted in the application.
Probably a good idea to keep a copy of this going forward, just in case. But also, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.
is there any way to see what we submitted?
Yes. I think you can log into your PR Portal and there'll be someplace where you can see a copy of what you submitted. Otherwise, you can submit an ATIP request at https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do to request a copy of your original application form (but this might take 30-60 days).
hi All,
i have applied for PR renewal and approved last month. My wife PR, IRCC asking for more details. we both were in the country around 750 days. I was around 780 days and my wife around 750 days. As i have employment and other evidences, it seems there were no questions. For my wife, we only had statement, child benefits to submit two peices of evidence.
My guess here is that because your wife was closer to the limit, they decided that they should look more closely. That certainly makes sense if you had only one extra day - I'm a bit surprised that 20 days was enough to trigger it.
Now they are asking for above details, one of them entry/exit record, i thought they can get from CBSA.
They can. But if they ask you for it, you should get it and give it to them.
from India, what records we have to show entry/exit apart from passport stamps.
According to https://notintown.net/news-details/...national-travel-what-indians-should-know.html there is some kind of equivalent to the CBSA entry/exit records that the Government of India provides. Full details on that website but in short, Apply through the e-FRRO portal. Click on New Application after logging in, From the Service List, select Travel History, and enter your passport details. Also fyi a fee of INR 1,000 applies.

(I don't have this passport so have never done it myself, so take with a grain of salt.)
From above, I can share the passport pages, but what else we can provide to prove her physical presence? Bank statements and Child benefit statement from CRA also submitted.
I mean, there's a lot. Copy of the lease? Copy of flight bookings showing when she flew out and when she flew back? Copy of health records (e.g. showing when she visited the doc in Canada for a checkup) ? Even cell phone records or a copy of the credit card statements showing transactions happening in Canada might help.
 
Probably a good idea to keep a copy of this going forward, just in case. But also, as they say, hindsight is 20/20.

Yes. I think you can log into your PR Portal and there'll be someplace where you can see a copy of what you submitted. Otherwise, you can submit an ATIP request at https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/welcome.do to request a copy of your original application form (but this might take 30-60 days).

My guess here is that because your wife was closer to the limit, they decided that they should look more closely. That certainly makes sense if you had only one extra day - I'm a bit surprised that 20 days was enough to trigger it.

They can. But if they ask you for it, you should get it and give it to them.

According to https://notintown.net/news-details/...national-travel-what-indians-should-know.html there is some kind of equivalent to the CBSA entry/exit records that the Government of India provides. Full details on that website but in short, Apply through the e-FRRO portal. Click on New Application after logging in, From the Service List, select Travel History, and enter your passport details. Also fyi a fee of INR 1,000 applies.

(I don't have this passport so have never done it myself, so take with a grain of salt.)

I mean, there's a lot. Copy of the lease? Copy of flight bookings showing when she flew out and when she flew back? Copy of health records (e.g. showing when she visited the doc in Canada for a checkup) ? Even cell phone records or a copy of the credit card statements showing transactions happening in Canada might help.
Thanks for the response. I do not see amy option in the portal and am not able to link the application yet in GC portal also to see application details. But, Atip request is good, but have only 30days to respond. so let me see.

Unfortunately, we do not have any lease as we own a house (mortgage docs already submitted) and its prepaid phone plan, no credit card on her name as no employment/income. but definately, all these lessons to learn for anyone to malintain some relation with country.
Health records and fliht tickets, we can get...It seems they are looking more towards physical presence proof as its too close to 730 days.

But, having my PR approval help anyway if i share PR card as primary holder?
we have submitted renewal on Aug 18th 2026, to be honest by Sep14 2026 she stayed 2 years in continuos row. she came Sep 2024 and no travel after that. Before Sep 2024, she was in canada only for 2+months from PR approval. DO they consider as its straight two years by now or look at as of application date 18th aug only?
 
DO they consider as its straight two years by now or look at as of application date 18th aug only?
Not sure - I haven't needed to do this myself yet. Hopefully more experienced forum members can chime in - however I did find a source that says they look at the date that they assess the file (presumably meaning the day the officer actually picks up the file): https://immigrantwomenservices.com/pr-residency-obligation/
Thanks for the response. I do not see amy option in the portal and am not able to link the application yet in GC portal also to see application details.
Ah, I wonder if that's the reason - once the app is progressed to the point that you can link it in GC portal, then you might be able to also see those details. Though, I would have thought that this would have happened before an officer started communicating with you/making requests of you...
But, Atip request is good, but have only 30days to respond. so let me see.
Good luck! If you really can't otherwise figure out what dates you put, it may not matter too much. As long as the other proof you send is sufficient.
no credit card on her name as no employment/income. but definately, all these lessons to learn for anyone to malintain some relation
That's fair - not everyone has these things. It's not required to have them.
Unfortunately, we do not have any lease as we own a house (mortgage docs already submitted)
That sounds good then - if you own then the mortgage docs/deed etc would be exactly what you should send in place of a copy of a lease.
all these lessons to learn for anyone to malintain some relation with country.
Health records and fliht tickets, we can get...It seems they are looking more towards physical presence proof as its too close to 730 days.
Yup, and since you have the health records and flight tickets - you do indeed have proof of maintaining a relationship with this country.
But, having my PR approval help anyway if i share PR card as primary holder?
Not sure. What I had thought is that they are generally reluctant to the remove PR of a spouse when the other PR is compliant (or even a citizen) since in those cases the compliant spouse can just re-sponsor the other spouse.
 
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Not sure - I haven't needed to do this myself yet. Hopefully more experienced forum members can chime in - however I did find a source that says they look at the date that they assess the file (presumably meaning the day the officer actually picks up the file)
Thanks to https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...on-residency-obligation.876396/#post-11122037 I found out this is correct from a more authoratative source (h/t to dpenabill): Metallo v. Canada 2021 FC 575
 
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hi All,
i have applied for PR renewal and approved last month. My wife PR, IRCC asking for more details. we both were in the country around 750 days. I was around 780 days and my wife around 750 days. As i have employment and other evidences, it seems there were no questions. For my wife, we only had statement, child benefits to submit two peices of evidence.

· Photocopies of all pages (including blank pages) of all your past and current passport(s) - or travel document(s) - used to enter or leave Canada or other countries for last 5 years in All pages must be photocopied in colour and must be clearly legible.

· A personal immigration entry/exit record, or movement certificate, issued by your country of citizenship, and countries other than Canada where you have resided.

· Any other document(s) confirming your employment or studies in Canada or overseas, your physical presence in Canada or your absences from Canada.

· Please send any formal document(s) that will establish your presence in Canada at specific times or dates.


Now they are asking for above details, one of them entry/exit record, i thought they can get from CBSA.
From above, I can share the passport pages, but what else we can provide to prove her physical presence? Bank statements and Child benefit statement from CRA also submitted.
we had lot of travel and do not remember the dates that we submitted in the application. is there any way to see what we submitted?
from India, what records we have to show entry/exit apart from passport stamps.
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There should be no RO compliance problem.

As long as there are NO inadmissibility proceedings pending (there is no procedure underway attendant adjudicating a 44(1) Report for inadmissibility), days in Canada after submitting a PR card application continue to count toward RO compliance. So, even if concerns/questions about RO compliance are what triggered the non-routine processing requests, even if the PR (your spouse) was not in compliance with the RO at the time the PR card application was made, as long as they have currently been in Canada for more than two years without leaving, RO compliance should not be in question.

But . . . I'll get to that, to this "but" and why . . . but first stepping back a bit:

It is possible this really is mostly about verifying RO compliance. If so, if IRCC's only questions or issues are focused on RO compliance, there is little or very little, perhaps nothing at all to worry about. Timely and appropriately responding to the requests, as reasonably well as you can, should suffice. It is important to timely respond, and to submit what you can even though you cannot provide all that is asked for. If you are not able to fully provide what is requested, explain what you do not have and why.

If more time is needed to obtain information from other sources (such as travel history from another country), do not delay submitting what you can. Again, provide what you can, explain what you cannot submit, and describe your efforts to obtain information available from other sources.

If this really is just about verifying RO compliance that should suffice. No need to be anxious.

Which leads back to that glaring red "BUT" . . .

I am no expert. I am not a Canadian lawyer, not at all, let alone a Canadian lawyer with immigration law experience, which I for sure am not. Moreover, I do not have much personal experience dealing with Canadian immigration authorities other than my own path getting here to stay, a fairly unremarkable path (encountering no non-routine processing side trips along the way).

But I do have a background in jurisprudence and litigation, and more than a decade and a half following PR-related immigration issues, which tends to make me cautious, leaning toward erring on the side of caution, which in turn leads me to focus on what can go wrong, on what goes bump-in-the-night so to say.

My perspective could be overly paranoid. I hope so. And that is my guess . . . that is, that there is no problem, that something triggered these RO related requests but given the PR's presence here in Canada for the last two years, plus more as the days go by, as long as you submit enough to avoid the application being deemed abandoned there should be no problem, probably little delay in a new PR card getting mailed.

It is feasible, for example, that the lack of work history and cutting-it-close is what triggered non-routine processing, what led IRCC to more thoroughly assess and verify RO compliance. And if that is the nature of what is at issue, there really should be no problem. If this is it, you can and should appreciate the detailed responses posted by @abff08f4813c . . . and relax.

But . . . yeah, again "but" . . . it is also possible that what triggered these requests are concerns about the accuracy of the information that was submitted in the PR card application, such as discrepancies between the PR's travel history dates and CBSA records.

Time for a question: what makes a factually erroneous statement misrepresentation rather than merely a mistake?

If IRCC sees there was inaccurate information submitted in the application, the potential consequences are serious and severe enough to warrant mentioning the risk that IRCC might see a misrepresentation issue.

I bring this up with some hesitation, perhaps even reluctantly. Unless there were some quite significant errors/inaccuracies in the information in the application, the odds are this is just about verifying RO compliance . . . and given presence here for two plus years now, that should be easy, easy, no problem.

By the way, you (as spouse) can submit a statement/declaration describing your lives together over the last five years, a narrative account of your travels together, residences, and so on, as another document, one among "any other documents" confirming presence in Canada.

So . . .
It seems they are looking more towards physical presence proof as its too close to 730 days

Maybe not.

The thing is, we do not see many reports of such requests for PRs who meet the RO based on days present in Canada. There has been plenty of anecdotal reporting indicating many PRs are promptly approved and sent a new card even if they barely met the RO when they applied . . . even automated approval for PRs with just a day or so more than 730.

So, what triggered these requests? A quality control exercise? Randomly selected for verification of RO compliance? Minor discrepancies in travel history (or other application information) causing IRCC to take non-routine steps to verify the PR's information, including RO compliance? A processing agent (or automated triage screening employing AI) identifying inaccuracies that IRCC needs to clarify were mistakes (ultimately not affecting RO compliance), not misrepresentation?

Generally I would not focus on RO-related requests potentially constituting a Procedural Fairness Letter (PFL). Generally it is not productive to dive into what triggered such requests. Regardless what triggered the requests, the PR needs to timely and properly respond, including submitting information and documents that satisfy IRCC the PR is in compliance with the RO. And the reason for making the requests does not in any way limit the scope of IRCC's further screening of the PR.

The risk is that this is not merely a PFL putting the PR on notice that they need to provide additional evidence to prove RO compliance, but a PFL putting the PR on notice that there are questions about the accuracy of what the PR submitted.

TBC . . .
 
we have submitted renewal on Aug 18th 2026, to be honest by Sep14 2026 she stayed 2 years in continuos row. she came Sep 2024 and no travel after that. Before Sep 2024, she was in canada only for 2+months from PR approval. DO they consider as its straight two years by now or look at as of application date 18th aug only?

As discussed in previous post: it appears there is no actual RO compliance issue. As long as no 44(1) Report has been prepared, days in Canada after the PR card application was made count toward RO compliance. So there should be no real RO issue (even if there were concerns about presence in Canada as of when the application was made).

That said . . . I feel obligated to mention the risk of misrepresentation if the PR card application contained significant factual errors.

So far as we have seen in anecdotal reporting, requests for RO compliance related information (presence here versus absences) are usually (perhaps almost always) about verifying RO compliance. And this can happen for various reasons including, potentially, quality control or random requests. Cutting-it-close (which to my view means fewer than 900 days RO credit, since that means the PR has been living outside Canada more than in Canada despite claiming, when landing, that their intent was to settle and live permanently in Canada) can invite/trigger RO related questions or requests, particularly in conjunction with factors like having no work or school activities to report.

So if you are confident that the information submitted in the application was factually accurate, no more than a very few minor mistakes, there is probably no need to give these comments about misrepresentation much thought or attention (since in the meantime the PR has stayed here two full years, so there should be no doubts about RO compliance).

A key consideration here is the extent of potential errors/discrepancies in the PR card application, including declarations of travel dates. Thus the question is (as posed in the post above):

What makes a factually erroneous statement misrepresentation rather than merely a mistake?​

Misrepresentation is almost never about minor discrepancies. IRCC generally shrugs off minor mistakes, even in applications for citizenship where many applicants make mistakes in their travel history, not just errors in the dates but some overlooking (so failing to report) whole trips. Former PRs (now citizens) have reported leaving out trips for multiple weeks, leading to some questions and a need for clarification of travel history, but no allegations of misrepresentation or even questioned credibility, no real problems.

But there are some flags in your posts which might indicate cause for concern.

Now they are asking for above details, one of them entry/exit record, i thought they can get from CBSA.

In what you shared, IRCC is not requesting that you (that is, actually, the PR, your spouse) provide a copy of your CBSA travel history records.

A personal immigration entry/exit record, or movement certificate, issued by your country of citizenship, and countries other than Canada where you have resided.

This is not asking for CBSA travel history. It is asking for such records from the country in which the PR is a citizen and other countries, other than Canada, where the PR has resided. Of course you can only provide what you have or what you can obtain (see previous post discussion about responding).


we had lot of travel and do not remember the dates that we submitted in the application. is there any way to see what we submitted?

This is where things get cloudy. Apart from the "lot of travel" aspect (will get to that), even if you do not have a copy of what was submitted, you should have records of those dates since PRs absolutely should be keeping a record of all trips in and out of Canada (even day trips to the states). How else did you verify the dates submitted in the application?

Bottomline: the dates you submitted in the application should correspond to actual dates of travel. And that is something you (well, your spouse) should have verified before submitting the application. If there is much risk the dates in the application were not the actual dates of travel, particularly if more than a couple dates might be off, or any date off by more than a couple days, that could signal a need to be more conscientious and deliberate in how you respond to these requests.

These requests constitute a Procedural Fairness Letter (PFL). As noted (repeatedly), I am not a Canadian immigration expert or lawyer. So I am not personally familiar with how a PFL about potential misrepresentation as to travel history might be different than a PFL only about verifying RO compliance. I suspect the request for additional information can be both, that is, a PFL putting the PR card applicant on notice there are questions about RO compliance and questions about the accuracy of the travel history submitted. That is, about RO compliance and about clarifying there was no misrepresentation (that any inaccuracy in the application was a mistake, not deliberate).

Note, after all, if the PR reported 750 days presence in Canada during the relevant time period, that is sufficient to establish RO compliance unless IRCC questions (challenges) the accuracy of reported presence.

Clearly IRCC is questioning the accuracy of reported presence. Is this about verifying RO compliance? Or about addressing the reporting of facts that are not true? That is, is it only about the RO? or about the RO and, potentially, misrepresentation?

That leads back to an observation worth repeating: if you are confident there were only a very few, minor errors in the application, probably nothing to worry about. Given the two year stay here, the RO question should be easily resolved, just a responsive submission should readily suffice.

But if you are not near certain that at most there were a very few minor errors, mistakes, the real issue could be satisfying IRCC that whatever inaccuracies there were in the PR card application, they were mistakes.

Which brings this back to the "lot of travel" aspect. Among other flags. What you share here is that prior to August 2024 this PR had spent just over two months in Canada, and did not travel outside Canada after arriving here in September 2024. That hardly suggests a "lot of travel" to report in the PR card application. (Reminder: the only "travel" history reported in the PR card application are dates the PR entered and exited Canada; travel between other countries is only reported to the extent that other countries are listed in addition to the primary location outside Canada during an absence from Canada.)

So . . . if it is likely (perhaps even just possible) there were significant errors/inaccuracies in the PR card application . . . that should be addressed. That noted, however, even assuming that IRCC is primarily concerned about correcting inaccuracies in the application, I cannot begin to guess what the scope of the problem is. Biggest factor is the scope of the inaccuracies. The more or bigger the inaccuracies, the more there could be a problem.

If the mistakes/errors were, at worst, relatively small, it should be OK to just clearly state what the true facts are, clearly identify any guesswork (in what is now submitted and in what was submitted in the application), clearly show > 730 days presence in last five years, and explain that any inaccuracies were mistakes, not deliberate.

If, however, there is a chance that significant mistakes were made in the PR card application, it might be a good idea to discuss all this with a Canadian immigration lawyer, one paid to review your paperwork, personal information, and all relevant details.

Hopefully all this is being overly cautious . . .
 
As discussed in previous post: it appears there is no actual RO compliance issue. As long as no 44(1) Report has been prepared, days in Canada after the PR card application was made count toward RO compliance. So there should be no real RO issue (even if there were concerns about presence in Canada as of when the application was made).

That said . . . I feel obligated to mention the risk of misrepresentation if the PR card application contained significant factual errors.

So far as we have seen in anecdotal reporting, requests for RO compliance related information (presence here versus absences) are usually (perhaps almost always) about verifying RO compliance. And this can happen for various reasons including, potentially, quality control or random requests. Cutting-it-close (which to my view means fewer than 900 days RO credit, since that means the PR has been living outside Canada more than in Canada despite claiming, when landing, that their intent was to settle and live permanently in Canada) can invite/trigger RO related questions or requests, particularly in conjunction with factors like having no work or school activities to report.

So if you are confident that the information submitted in the application was factually accurate, no more than a very few minor mistakes, there is probably no need to give these comments about misrepresentation much thought or attention (since in the meantime the PR has stayed here two full years, so there should be no doubts about RO compliance).

A key consideration here is the extent of potential errors/discrepancies in the PR card application, including declarations of travel dates. Thus the question is (as posed in the post above):

What makes a factually erroneous statement misrepresentation rather than merely a mistake?​

Misrepresentation is almost never about minor discrepancies. IRCC generally shrugs off minor mistakes, even in applications for citizenship where many applicants make mistakes in their travel history, not just errors in the dates but some overlooking (so failing to report) whole trips. Former PRs (now citizens) have reported leaving out trips for multiple weeks, leading to some questions and a need for clarification of travel history, but no allegations of misrepresentation or even questioned credibility, no real problems.

But there are some flags in your posts which might indicate cause for concern.



In what you shared, IRCC is not requesting that you (that is, actually, the PR, your spouse) provide a copy of your CBSA travel history records.



This is not asking for CBSA travel history. It is asking for such records from the country in which the PR is a citizen and other countries, other than Canada, where the PR has resided. Of course you can only provide what you have or what you can obtain (see previous post discussion about responding).




This is where things get cloudy. Apart from the "lot of travel" aspect (will get to that), even if you do not have a copy of what was submitted, you should have records of those dates since PRs absolutely should be keeping a record of all trips in and out of Canada (even day trips to the states). How else did you verify the dates submitted in the application?

Bottomline: the dates you submitted in the application should correspond to actual dates of travel. And that is something you (well, your spouse) should have verified before submitting the application. If there is much risk the dates in the application were not the actual dates of travel, particularly if more than a couple dates might be off, or any date off by more than a couple days, that could signal a need to be more conscientious and deliberate in how you respond to these requests.

These requests constitute a Procedural Fairness Letter (PFL). As noted (repeatedly), I am not a Canadian immigration expert or lawyer. So I am not personally familiar with how a PFL about potential misrepresentation as to travel history might be different than a PFL only about verifying RO compliance. I suspect the request for additional information can be both, that is, a PFL putting the PR card applicant on notice there are questions about RO compliance and questions about the accuracy of the travel history submitted. That is, about RO compliance and about clarifying there was no misrepresentation (that any inaccuracy in the application was a mistake, not deliberate).

Note, after all, if the PR reported 750 days presence in Canada during the relevant time period, that is sufficient to establish RO compliance unless IRCC questions (challenges) the accuracy of reported presence.

Clearly IRCC is questioning the accuracy of reported presence. Is this about verifying RO compliance? Or about addressing the reporting of facts that are not true? That is, is it only about the RO? or about the RO and, potentially, misrepresentation?

That leads back to an observation worth repeating: if you are confident there were only a very few, minor errors in the application, probably nothing to worry about. Given the two year stay here, the RO question should be easily resolved, just a responsive submission should readily suffice.

But if you are not near certain that at most there were a very few minor errors, mistakes, the real issue could be satisfying IRCC that whatever inaccuracies there were in the PR card application, they were mistakes.

Which brings this back to the "lot of travel" aspect. Among other flags. What you share here is that prior to August 2024 this PR had spent just over two months in Canada, and did not travel outside Canada after arriving here in September 2024. That hardly suggests a "lot of travel" to report in the PR card application. (Reminder: the only "travel" history reported in the PR card application are dates the PR entered and exited Canada; travel between other countries is only reported to the extent that other countries are listed in addition to the primary location outside Canada during an absence from Canada.)

So . . . if it is likely (perhaps even just possible) there were significant errors/inaccuracies in the PR card application . . . that should be addressed. That noted, however, even assuming that IRCC is primarily concerned about correcting inaccuracies in the application, I cannot begin to guess what the scope of the problem is. Biggest factor is the scope of the inaccuracies. The more or bigger the inaccuracies, the more there could be a problem.

If the mistakes/errors were, at worst, relatively small, it should be OK to just clearly state what the true facts are, clearly identify any guesswork (in what is now submitted and in what was submitted in the application), clearly show > 730 days presence in last five years, and explain that any inaccuracies were mistakes, not deliberate.

If, however, there is a chance that significant mistakes were made in the PR card application, it might be a good idea to discuss all this with a Canadian immigration lawyer, one paid to review your paperwork, personal information, and all relevant details.

Hopefully all this is being overly cautious . . .
Thanks for detailed response with your thoughts and feedback. Yes, definately we do not have RO compliance as she spend over 730 days. I think they may verify with CBSA travel history and see some conflicts or its just audit on the compliance.
I think we do not have major errors in the application except combiniing some of short travel trips combined instead of each location specific. All i am going to share passport copy and detailed travel history, medical records and any flight tickets and any other reservations, appointments in canada. If i receive the Travel histor from CBSA, will include if not i will mention the same asking for little more time to share with them.
Hope this should take care..until unless if they are going make any concerns with misrepresentation which is not the intention at all and we still meet the RO and its just dates for couple of trips outside Canada itself.
 
For clarification:

I think we do not have major errors in the application except combiniing some of short travel trips combined instead of each location specific.

You probably got it, no problem.

But to be clear, I will clarify . . . The only dates of exit and dates of return that should be listed in the application, for the "time spent outside Canada" chart/table (question 5.5 in the paper form), are days the PR was physically present in Canada; that is:
-- days the PR was in Canada and left, reported as a date of exit; and​
-- days the PR was outside Canada but returned to be in Canada that day, reported as the "To" date, the date the PR arrived back in Canada​

Dates listed in the application as dates of exit, and listed dates of return (again for the time outside Canada question), should only be days that the PR was actually present in Canada for at least part of the day (on the way out, or returning here); those days count toward meeting the RO.

If in contrast the PR listed separate trips to multiple locations during a single absence from Canada, thus listing dates of exit and dates of return the PR was not in Canada even part of the day, obviously those would be inaccurate, not true.

Often, making such an error -- listing multiple trips based on travel during a single absence -- would be an obvious enough mistake that IRCC can nonetheless figure things out, sort out the days to be given RO credit, no problem. I am guessing, for example, that if such an error was made in your spouse's application, a similar error was made in your application.

No need to get bogged down in speculating why hers but not yours was subject to non-routine processing resulting in a PFL requesting additional information and documents. Just the difference in total number of days plus more easily verified corroborating information (like your employment in Canada) could explain why the applications have been handled differently. BUT that is not important. Main thing is to properly respond to the requests, get the travel history correct, and to the extent you recognize errors were made in the application, acknowledge those and give an explanation.
 
For clarification:



You probably got it, no problem.

But to be clear, I will clarify . . . The only dates of exit and dates of return that should be listed in the application, for the "time spent outside Canada" chart/table (question 5.5 in the paper form), are days the PR was physically present in Canada; that is:
-- days the PR was in Canada and left, reported as a date of exit; and​
-- days the PR was outside Canada but returned to be in Canada that day, reported as the "To" date, the date the PR arrived back in Canada​

Dates listed in the application as dates of exit, and listed dates of return (again for the time outside Canada question), should only be days that the PR was actually present in Canada for at least part of the day (on the way out, or returning here); those days count toward meeting the RO.

If in contrast the PR listed separate trips to multiple locations during a single absence from Canada, thus listing dates of exit and dates of return the PR was not in Canada even part of the day, obviously those would be inaccurate, not true.

Often, making such an error -- listing multiple trips based on travel during a single absence -- would be an obvious enough mistake that IRCC can nonetheless figure things out, sort out the days to be given RO credit, no problem. I am guessing, for example, that if such an error was made in your spouse's application, a similar error was made in your application.

No need to get bogged down in speculating why hers but not yours was subject to non-routine processing resulting in a PFL requesting additional information and documents. Just the difference in total number of days plus more easily verified corroborating information (like your employment in Canada) could explain why the applications have been handled differently. BUT that is not important. Main thing is to properly respond to the requests, get the travel history correct, and to the extent you recognize errors were made in the application, acknowledge those and give an explanation.
Yes. Correct. FOllowing the same approach providing the entry/exit dates.

One thing, am yet to consolidate the docs. But, any thougts on how we can share the documents as we have limit through email. i think i can share max 25MB of attachment to the email. they asked me send to their email address or via Mail. I think, email is secure and quick to share. but, thinking what if documents exceed the size, can we send it in two emails?