PR card renewal documents
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No. Neither.
Follow the instructions. See Appendix A in the instruction guide for what supporting documents to submit with the application.
For a PR who has been physically present in Canada for more than 730 days within the relevant time period, all they need to submit are "two pieces of evidence" that respectively show presence or activity or residence in Canada within the relevant time period (five years immediately preceding the date the application is made or, for a PR who landed within the previous five years, the relevant time period is since landing).
So, for example, it would be sufficient to submit just one pay stub from a Canadian employer, plus one bank statement showing PR's address in Canada and activity in that account.
Another example: copy of document showing provincial health care coverage (such as OHIP card for residents of Ontario) plus a CRA Notice of Assessment that shows the PR was a resident in Canada during any one of the tax years that are within the relevant time period.
Actually, two Canadian bank statements will work. Two pay stubs will work.
For clarification . . .
The OP's inquiry is about what supporting documents need to be submitted. Any two documents showing physical presence, activity, or residence in Canada is sufficient for a PR who has not been outside Canada for 1095 or more days during their relevant time period. Just two such items are sufficient even if they merely show presence or activity in Canada on just two occasions, even if each document only shows that for one day (respectively).
Your response appears to be about travel history and that showing 730 days (two years) presence (that is, not outside Canada for 1095 or more days) is sufficient to meet the RO . . . which, to be clear, is not a "requirement" as such, as it is an "obligation" with exceptions.
No. Neither.
Follow the instructions. See Appendix A in the instruction guide for what supporting documents to submit with the application.
For a PR who has been physically present in Canada for more than 730 days within the relevant time period, all they need to submit are "two pieces of evidence" that respectively show presence or activity or residence in Canada within the relevant time period (five years immediately preceding the date the application is made or, for a PR who landed within the previous five years, the relevant time period is since landing).
So, for example, it would be sufficient to submit just one pay stub from a Canadian employer, plus one bank statement showing PR's address in Canada and activity in that account.
Another example: copy of document showing provincial health care coverage (such as OHIP card for residents of Ontario) plus a CRA Notice of Assessment that shows the PR was a resident in Canada during any one of the tax years that are within the relevant time period.
Actually, two Canadian bank statements will work. Two pay stubs will work.
For clarification . . .
The OP's inquiry is about what supporting documents need to be submitted. Any two documents showing physical presence, activity, or residence in Canada is sufficient for a PR who has not been outside Canada for 1095 or more days during their relevant time period. Just two such items are sufficient even if they merely show presence or activity in Canada on just two occasions, even if each document only shows that for one day (respectively).
Your response appears to be about travel history and that showing 730 days (two years) presence (that is, not outside Canada for 1095 or more days) is sufficient to meet the RO . . . which, to be clear, is not a "requirement" as such, as it is an "obligation" with exceptions.
I still believe that bank statement(s) that actually show activity in Canada, such as local P.O.S transactions, or ABM activity in Canada, are far better than a gym membership that wouldn't show anything other than the PR has a gym membership. This, of course is for a single account. If a PR shares a joint account with someone, it may not be as valuable in terms of evidence in meeting the R.O.
Just my $0.02, as always.
Just my $0.02, as always.
Thankyou so much for replies. I will use a few noa and some bank statements then.
I have two more questions:
1. In one of my trips i visited multiple countries. They way that i understand how to fill the days outsode canada page on the portal i should put that whole trip in one line so that it can calculate properly and i can put the coutry names in the city/countries text box.
2. I would be uploading a digital image and therefore for the back of the image i have the receipt from passport pro. For the i fo about the photographer and my name and dob how should i include that ? Instructions say to upload as a document. Should i just create a pdf myself with that info ?
I have two more questions:
1. In one of my trips i visited multiple countries. They way that i understand how to fill the days outsode canada page on the portal i should put that whole trip in one line so that it can calculate properly and i can put the coutry names in the city/countries text box.
2. I would be uploading a digital image and therefore for the back of the image i have the receipt from passport pro. For the i fo about the photographer and my name and dob how should i include that ? Instructions say to upload as a document. Should i just create a pdf myself with that info ?
Do i need to provide biometrics for renewal? I was exempt at the time of PR application but that was due to covid and i had provided biometrics for work permit before that ?
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As already noted:
Perhaps this warrants repeating for emphasis: FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS, IRCC's instructions.
For example you say: "I will use a few noa and some bank statements then."
That is not what the instructions say for a PR who has been in Canada "most of the time in the last five years" (which you say you have been), that is a PR who is in compliance with the RO based on days present in Canada and who is not asking IRCC to count (as credit toward meeting the RO) days outside Canada (as described for Situations A, B, or C in appendix A, corresponding to respectively labeled reasons for the absence in the drop down box in the travel history table).
The checklist specifically instructs PR card applicants to "Please refer to Appendix A: Residency obligation of the instruction guide for a list of the documents required." For a PR who meets the RO based on days present in Canada, the instructions in appendix A state:
Again repeating for emphasis: ". . . provide copies of 2 pieces of evidence . . ." Not fifty, not even five.
If there is anything about your application, your situation or circumstances, pursuant to which IRCC would need/want more than that, the application will be complex and IRCC will make a request for what it needs/wants. There is no indication that trying to submit more than what is required to make a complete application will work to avoid this.
Question is whether submitting more than what the instructions state is something that in itself might trigger a complex processing referral for an application that otherwise would not have been complex, which would result in a longer processing time.
That is not to say three or four pieces of evidence is likely to cause a problem. Probably not. That's probably OK. My sense is many PR card applicants do add some extra supporting documents and there has been no anecdotal reporting connecting that to a reason for longer processing times.
But how much extra stuff might signal the PR card applicant does not follow instructions? Might that invite questions as to what other instructions this PR card applicant might not be following?
This brings up the observation by @Ponga about submitting better evidence.
@Ponga makes a very good point, one which they have made before and with which I largely agree, regarding the relative weight of this and that evidence of presence or activity in Canada.
But that is more important in contexts where the facts are in issue, and particularly if the facts are questioned or contested. That is, in contexts where the weight of the evidence is assessed in the course of making a factual determination. If, for example, a PR receives a request for additional information and documents regarding their presence in Canada, that is when the weight of the evidence really matters. Even more so if the PR is subject to a hearing/interview with an immigration officer, or if a 44(1) Report has been prepared and there is a hearing/interview with an officer acting in the role of the Minister's delegate.
In those scenarios a document showing the PR had membership in a Canadian gym is not likely to carry much water.
But for purposes of making a PR card application by a PR who has been and continues to be settled and living in Canada, who meets the RO based on actual presence in Canada, and who otherwise submits a complete and accurate application, there is no need to worry much, if at all, about the quality or weight of the two items of evidence to be submitted.
That said, of course I agree it is better to submit better evidence and minimize risks. As a general approach to making a PR card application, of course it makes good sense to submit supporting documents that constitute direct evidence of actual presence or activity in Canada rather than indirect or passive evidence. That is, as @Ponga suggests (but to frame it more bluntly), it is better to submit better evidence.
Particular Questions . . . such as about how to list multiple locations during absences . . .
These days I am not revisiting the actual process of completing a sample online application much (but I do revisit the pdf form and IRCC's instructions when posting here, which is why it takes awhile for me to respond to questions), so others are a better source for questions about the mechanics of submitting particular items like photographs and such. That said, first and foremost, rely on the instructions. (If in doubt, follow the instructions; otherwise, yep, follow the instructions.)
Nonetheless, in regards to listing locations while outside Canada, yes, use just one line in listing travel history for the entirety of each absence, each period of time outside Canada. The "From" and "To" dates, for each line in the table for time spent outside Canada, are the date of exit from Canada and the date of return to Canada. The column for entering the PR's location during the absence specifically refers to "location(s)," as in singular or plural, during that absence.
Regarding biometrics in particular: Sorry, at the risk of beating a dead horse: again, follow the instructions about what to submit, IRCC's instructions. Trying to anticipate additional items that IRCC might want is rarely productive (and can risk drawing extra attention, leading to extra scrutiny). That is, if given your personal situation IRCC wants any additional biometrics not specified in the instructions, they will request those after the application is in process . . . and submitting them upfront is not likely to avoid that.
As already noted:
Perhaps this warrants repeating for emphasis: FOLLOW the INSTRUCTIONS, IRCC's instructions.
For example you say: "I will use a few noa and some bank statements then."
That is not what the instructions say for a PR who has been in Canada "most of the time in the last five years" (which you say you have been), that is a PR who is in compliance with the RO based on days present in Canada and who is not asking IRCC to count (as credit toward meeting the RO) days outside Canada (as described for Situations A, B, or C in appendix A, corresponding to respectively labeled reasons for the absence in the drop down box in the travel history table).
The checklist specifically instructs PR card applicants to "Please refer to Appendix A: Residency obligation of the instruction guide for a list of the documents required." For a PR who meets the RO based on days present in Canada, the instructions in appendix A state:
Again repeating for emphasis: ". . . provide copies of 2 pieces of evidence . . ." Not fifty, not even five.
If there is anything about your application, your situation or circumstances, pursuant to which IRCC would need/want more than that, the application will be complex and IRCC will make a request for what it needs/wants. There is no indication that trying to submit more than what is required to make a complete application will work to avoid this.
Question is whether submitting more than what the instructions state is something that in itself might trigger a complex processing referral for an application that otherwise would not have been complex, which would result in a longer processing time.
That is not to say three or four pieces of evidence is likely to cause a problem. Probably not. That's probably OK. My sense is many PR card applicants do add some extra supporting documents and there has been no anecdotal reporting connecting that to a reason for longer processing times.
But how much extra stuff might signal the PR card applicant does not follow instructions? Might that invite questions as to what other instructions this PR card applicant might not be following?
This brings up the observation by @Ponga about submitting better evidence.
@Ponga makes a very good point, one which they have made before and with which I largely agree, regarding the relative weight of this and that evidence of presence or activity in Canada.
But that is more important in contexts where the facts are in issue, and particularly if the facts are questioned or contested. That is, in contexts where the weight of the evidence is assessed in the course of making a factual determination. If, for example, a PR receives a request for additional information and documents regarding their presence in Canada, that is when the weight of the evidence really matters. Even more so if the PR is subject to a hearing/interview with an immigration officer, or if a 44(1) Report has been prepared and there is a hearing/interview with an officer acting in the role of the Minister's delegate.
In those scenarios a document showing the PR had membership in a Canadian gym is not likely to carry much water.
But for purposes of making a PR card application by a PR who has been and continues to be settled and living in Canada, who meets the RO based on actual presence in Canada, and who otherwise submits a complete and accurate application, there is no need to worry much, if at all, about the quality or weight of the two items of evidence to be submitted.
That said, of course I agree it is better to submit better evidence and minimize risks. As a general approach to making a PR card application, of course it makes good sense to submit supporting documents that constitute direct evidence of actual presence or activity in Canada rather than indirect or passive evidence. That is, as @Ponga suggests (but to frame it more bluntly), it is better to submit better evidence.
Particular Questions . . . such as about how to list multiple locations during absences . . .
These days I am not revisiting the actual process of completing a sample online application much (but I do revisit the pdf form and IRCC's instructions when posting here, which is why it takes awhile for me to respond to questions), so others are a better source for questions about the mechanics of submitting particular items like photographs and such. That said, first and foremost, rely on the instructions. (If in doubt, follow the instructions; otherwise, yep, follow the instructions.)
Nonetheless, in regards to listing locations while outside Canada, yes, use just one line in listing travel history for the entirety of each absence, each period of time outside Canada. The "From" and "To" dates, for each line in the table for time spent outside Canada, are the date of exit from Canada and the date of return to Canada. The column for entering the PR's location during the absence specifically refers to "location(s)," as in singular or plural, during that absence.
Regarding biometrics in particular: Sorry, at the risk of beating a dead horse: again, follow the instructions about what to submit, IRCC's instructions. Trying to anticipate additional items that IRCC might want is rarely productive (and can risk drawing extra attention, leading to extra scrutiny). That is, if given your personal situation IRCC wants any additional biometrics not specified in the instructions, they will request those after the application is in process . . . and submitting them upfront is not likely to avoid that.