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This is a tough one.

The first reason - to attend to her ill father - was accepted as "exceptional" by the RPD. This happened during COVID, incidentally.

I know that virtual funerals are a thing, https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/16/health/virtual-funerals-coronavirus-wellness - but someone willing to take that risk during peak COVID, prior to a vaccine, of international travel to attend a funeral.. if someone is willing to risk their life against an inhuman agent of nature like that, to me that strongly suggests that the applicant also would have been willing to travel despite the risk of persecution and even on fear of pain of death from the state (and so not due to a lack of persecution).

But for the IVF in 2022 - if Canada didn't work for the IVF, why not try to get a visa to do it in the nearby US? Or go to a country like Jordan that is visa free for Egyptian citizens - they have places that can do IVF. (edit: for example, https://ivf-worldwide.com/ivf-directory/asia/jordan/4021-hope_fertility_clinic.html )

But unlike the previous case ( https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2025/2025fc1596/2025fc1596.html ), this doesn't seem like one where the applicant was warned about the consequences of travel to Egypt by CBSA at any point in time.

I suspect that at least the IVF would have happened elsewhere had the proper warnings been given, and I feel that there might not have been a cessation application made if it were just the first two trips. (The first being a certainty as it was confirmed as exceptional and not voluntary by RPD. The second is weaker, as funerals aren't generally regarded as being exceptional as per case law, but with just one mistake it's possible the department might have just chosen not to pursue.)
 
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Hi everyone.

Does cessation rules apply to overseas dependents of protected persons as well after they have gotten PR and arrived in Canada?
Unfortunately, yes. If you look earlier on this thread, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...-for-citizenship.333455/page-76#post-11094961

I mention a case where such a dependent went through cessation and lost a judicial review case at the Federal Court of First Instance, https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2016/2016fc29/2016fc29.html

Do note though that - at least my current understanding - cessation is only to an individual. The loss of refugee status and PR for Shamsi did not affect his mother, and vice versa is also true: if it was Shamsi's mother who had done the things and was undergoing cessation proceedings, but Shamsi himself never got a new passport or set foot on the home country, then Shamsi wouldn't have been at risk of losing PR.
 
Unfortunately, yes. If you look earlier on this thread, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...-for-citizenship.333455/page-76#post-11094961

I mention a case where such a dependent went through cessation and lost a judicial review case at the Federal Court of First Instance, https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/fct/doc/2016/2016fc29/2016fc29.html

Do note though that - at least my current understanding - cessation is only to an individual. The loss of refugee status and PR for Shamsi did not affect his mother, and vice versa is also true: if it was Shamsi's mother who had done the things and was undergoing cessation proceedings, but Shamsi himself never got a new passport or set foot on the home country, then Shamsi wouldn't have been at risk of losing PR.
Thank you for your response.

To provide more context. The dependent was not part of the refugee claim and did not arrive Canada with the principal applicant.
They were only added to the PR application as a dependent spouse after the principal applicant's refugee claim was accepted.
Additionally, the principal applicant is now a Canadian citizen however the dependent is still a PR as their PR was just approved and they only just arrived Canada.

With this information, do you think the cessation rules will still apply to them?
 
Thank you for your response.

To provide more context. The dependent was not part of the refugee claim and did not arrive Canada with the principal applicant.
So at this point, spouse was not yet a protected person.
They were only added to the PR application as a dependent spouse after the principal applicant's refugee claim was accepted.
So my understanding is that, generally speaking, when a spouse is added to a PR application, the spouse comes under the same stream and with the same status as the primary applicant. For example, I met my common law partner in Canada and added this person to my economic stream PR app (Express Entry - CEC specifically). So my own spouse is counted as an economic migrant now.

Thus I believe this is the point where the spouse became a protected person to Canada.

Note that this is different from being sponsored outright as a spousal app - only folks who are already PRs or citizens can do this, but this is its own unique stream with its own rules (for example, a spouse sponsored this way cannot sponsor a new spouse for five years - something my own spouse is able to do since my spouse wasn't under a spousal app). So my understanding is that in this case the protected person status would not have transferred to the spouse.
Additionally, the principal applicant is now a Canadian citizen however the dependent is still a PR as their PR was just approved and they only just arrived Canada.

With this information, do you think the cessation rules will still apply to them?
Unfortunately yes, because the spouse came in via a PR for protected persons route and is thus counted under the protected persons stream.

Also note that while having a Canadian citizen as a spouse is generally seen to help folks retain PR (e.g. if the residency obligation isn't met) we have cases where cessation has been pursued against PR refugees who have citizen spouses. See https://ccrweb.ca/files/cessation-report-2014.pdf for some examples.
 
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So at this point, spouse was not yet a protected person.

So my understanding is that, generally speaking, when a spouse is added to a PR application, the spouse comes under the same stream and with the same status as the primary applicant. For example, I met my common law partner in Canada and added this person to my economic stream PR app (Express Entry - CEC specifically). So my own spouse is counted as an economic migrant now.

Thus I believe this is the point where the spouse became a protected person to Canada.

Note that this is different from being sponsored outright as a spousal app - only folks who are already PRs or citizens can do this, but this is its own unique stream with its own rules (for example, a spouse sponsored this way cannot sponsor a new spouse for five years - something my own spouse is able to do since my spouse wasn't under a spousal app). So my understanding is that in this case the protected person status would not have transferred to the spouse.

Unfortunately yes, because the spouse came in via a PR for protected persons route and is thus counted under the protected persons stream.

Also note that while having a Canadian citizen as a spouse is generally seen to help folks retain PR (e.g. if the residency obligation isn't met) we have cases where cessation has been pursued against PR refugees who have citizen spouses. See https://ccrweb.ca/files/cessation-report-2014.pdf for some examples.
Thank you for your help
 
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Short of Mandamus, you can't do a thing and your time is not long for that. Obviously there is something going on. No amount of calls or inquiries will ever tell you anything about your case unless they decide to let you know. Get GCMS to see if by any chance you may come across some useful information. Keep reading these forums to remain updated about similar cases.
If they grilled you right at the interview, expect a negative outcome.
10 years, 4 hearings, Mandamus..
I finally made it and became a Canadian citizen recently.
Summary:
Came to Canada 25 years ago as a refugee.
Applied for Citizenship in 2015.
After the language, citizenship test and interview, waited for oath.
Nothing for 6 years.
In 2021 received a Cessation application from CBSA.
Fought tooth and nail, every inch of the way.
After 3 years and having all the court decisions in my favour, IRCC wouldn't call me for the oath.
Finally, filed a Mandamus. One whole year passed but not even Leave decision was given, but 6 months after filing, was called for an interview by IRCC and another 6 months, finally got the oath invitation.
Draw your own conclusions.
Just one thought.
Stand your ground. Give it all you got.
Ask for no quarter as none will be given.
Wish everyone best of luck.
 
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10 years, 4 hearings, Mandamus..
I finally made it and became a Canadian citizen recently.

Congratulations.

Your report is appreciated. Good to see that even if the government is pursuing cessation, things can still work out for the better . . . even if it takes a big effort, a lot of time, some serious patience and disciplined dedication.

No where near enough details in regards to allegations or facts to draw any conclusions (one way or another) about what increases the risk of cessation or what increases the odds of successfully challenging cessation. (Other than the obvious: odds of successfully challenging a cessation action depend on engaging in the fight, doing what can be done to challenge the cessation action.)

No need to stretch much to recognize that even if a PR-refugee subject to cessation proceedings has a case for successfully challenging cessation, that can be a long, hard battle, punishment in itself . . . and, beyond that, there is a real risk things could go the other way (which in no way is to suggest giving up the fight . . . just an acknowledgement of real risks).

So, for other PR-refugees (not yet Canadian citizens) who are not subject to cessation proceedings, this once more illustrates that, if at all possible, it is best to avoid engaging in any acts that could trigger cessation proceedings; that is, if at all possible:
-- do not obtain or renew home country passport​
-- do not use a home country passport to travel internationally​
-- most of all, do not travel to the home country​
 
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New case. Will have to see how this pans out considering he went back 6 times.
I agree with Judge Go's ruling here. It makes a lot of sense.

RPD err'd by finding the applicant was inconsistent about who he feared and didn't properly account for the countermeasures he took (the second probably being influenced by the first - the countermeasures taken make sense against extremists but wouldn't mean much against hostile gov't officials).

Basically they thought he sometimes feared government, sometimes government and religious extremists, and sometimes only the extremists (and that the government couldn't protect him against the former). The judge found it was only the last one (fearing extremists and local government not able to provide protection) and that laying low at home and avoid places like mosques were evidence of precautionary measures).

And a gathering of 80 people for a wedding. Well, Jews groups fleeing Nazi Germany for the forest survived in groups of up to several hundred people at a time. A smaller gathering of 80 against groups of people who likely aren't even aware you are in the country... that starts to look a lot more reasonable. Especially considering that typically Pakistani weddings are attend by at least half a thousand peolee, https://www.theknot.com/content/pakistani-wedding-traditions

As for bring his family over - well, that's the only thing I'd personally disagree with. But certainly he did try to keep them safe while they were all there by keeping the wedding small, keeping them out of mosques, etc...

There's also nothing in the court case that says the guy was warned about the consequences either of what he was doing. Even though it was six times he went - shouldn't they have at least mentioned it once or twice? With the proper warnings in time I could see him changing it up a bit - a hybrid Zoom + Canadian/third country wedding, sponsoring the wife early so the child could be born in Canada, paying someone to attend both his parent's illnesses instead of going in person, and making sure he travels on an RPD to attend both his parents funerals...

Anyways. I hope he prevails on his case and keeps his PR.
 
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https://canlii.ca/t/kj954 . . . New case. Will have to see how this pans out considering he went back 6 times.


The analysis of the "intent" to reavail element by Justice Go, in Ahmad v. Canada, 2026 FC 227, https://canlii.ca/t/kj954 is not only what determined the outcome in this particular case, but that is probably the key fulcrum in many of these cessation cases . . . and I am jealous of her ability to articulate this particular issue (I have struggled, over the years, to focus on this aspect of these cases, getting mired in complex tangents). I do not mean to understate her perspicuity, but I suspect that the submissions by Ahmad's lawyer probably had a lot to do with this. For those facing cessation, it might be worth their while to explore obtaining the services of Daniel Kingwell (Kingwell Immigration Law).

Of course I share much curiosity in regards to how this will eventually turn out . . .
 
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This one feels pretty outrageous to me. They are making these trips to convince their family members to become refugees as well - to essentially rescue them. They are successful once, on on the final try, the guy's mom dies the day after he arrives. These "rescue attempts" are now what is being held against them.

The judge then goes into a lengthly legal analysis explaining why the bar to overturn the original decision maker's decision is so high / can only be done on limited grounds more or less.

It's also mentioned the usual thing about renewal of passports but I don't see that this happened - rather the guy's passport was seized and only later returned to him.

Furthermore, the guy was told at the consulate in Toronto that he'd be arrested if he ever visited his home country - but he did anyways (to try and save his son) and he actually was arrested! (He then got his original passport back after his sentence was over.)

I don't quite agree with the judge here - the judge explicitly writes that "An interential finding of fact will only be unreasonable if it is clearly not based on the evidence or it is illogical" but then finds the decision based on the evidence when the evidence clearly shows that the guy had an actual fear of persecution, and his fear was validated (proven right!) - someone compelled by such circumstances to travel anyways (the "rescue mission") is clearly not traveling voluntarily, no more than someone compelled to return as the only child of a sick parent who has no one else to care for them (even hired help not being available).

Perhaps he had less fear after his sentence ended and no longer needed to fear arrest, but I'd argue that this should only be considered as a case of changed circumstances (the prong that lets the refugee lose "refugee" status but keep permanent residency).
 
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Reference and link are appreciated.

As one might expect from cessation cases in recent years, there is little news in Yilmaz v. Canada (Citizenship and Immigration), 2026 FC 625, which is here: https://canlii.ca/t/kkzpx

In this regard it is much like other decisions during the last few years, since numerous Federal Court decisions issued in the wake of the Federal Court of Appeal decision in the Camayo case (March 2022) have more or less illustrated that the FCs would nonetheless continue to lean toward upholding the RPD's conclusions in regards to the voluntariness and intent elements in cessation cases that are based on reavailment involving travel to the home country. There have been some exceptions, but none suggesting anything other than there is a high risk that travel to the home country will lead to cessation no matter how compelling the reasons for the travel are.

That is, for a PR-refugee considering travel to the home country, so assessing the risks, they should be aware that their personal reasons for the travel, no matter how compelling, may not reduce the risks much if at all. What matters most, and most by a big, big margin, is the inherent decision underlying the act of entering the home country using a travel document issued by the home country. Why does not matter much.

It is worth repeating, this case is consistent with most cases, before and after Camayo. But, for clarification,
in regards to the observation that the *why* for the trip does not matter much, this is despite the FCA decision in Camayo, and would be contrary to Camayo except Camayo allows wide decision making discretion so long as the RPD "engages" with the facts raised by a PR-refugee as to the issues of voluntariness of the travel and the intent to reavail.

There has been a lot of what, more or less, amounts to "yeah, this and that considered, but the travel was voluntary, and the presumption of intent to reavail has not been rebutted."

There are exceptions.

One of the exceptions is the previous case discussed here: Ahmad v. Canada, 2026 FC 227, which was discussed here back at the end of February. As I previously noted (last August), despite my effort to review almost every published cessation decision by the Federal Court for more than a decade, I had " . . . personally grown lax watching for new cessation cases." Meanwhile, it was highly likely there have been other Federal Court cessation decisions since then, since Ahmad and before Yilmaz.

And yes, there are additional cases not mentioned or discussed here. Including the big one: the Slepcsik constitutional challenge that more than a few had pinned their hopes to. This warrants further discussion, but for now those hopes depend on a further appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal.

Spoiler alert: Justice Gleeson rejects the constitutional challenges, and this includes validating the automatic termination of PR status as a consequence when refugee status is ceased. The Slepcsik decision is a long one and as weedy as it gets (to be expected in constitutional cases). Questions were certified, so this could be on its way to the FCA, assuming timing limitations have been met . . . the Slepcsik decision was actually made last November . . . no mention here til now, illustrating . . . well, the obvious.

Meanwhile, my sense is that most cases continue to parallel Yilmaz more than Ahmad (and it is not here known yet whether Ahmad has or will escape cessation, just that it has been at least postponed), and that means that reason enough to go is reason enough to gamble PR status, to put it all on the line, to "bet the ranch" some say, a bet that to some extent relies on stranger bureaucrats accepting there was no choice at all, that it was involuntary. Best that goes, it tends to get tricky; odds do not appear to be good.

That is, for PR-refugees, do not go home unless it's for a reason that is more important than keeping Canadian PR status.

Unfair as that sounds, and really is in many cases, exceedingly harsh in too many cases, that appears to be the practical reality. Do not go home unless going is more important than keeping Canadian PR status.

That's not Camayo. Relying on what's arguable based on Camayo is risky, highly risky.

This deserves more attention, particularly given the other recent cessation decisions that have not been discussed here (I will get to them, but this is not an off-the-cuff subject, takes some research, reading, digesting, and rumination, all taking time). This includes a couple decisions by Justice Turley setting aside cessation, which some might think offers some promise if relying on what's arguable based on Camayo. I will try to explain why it is not a good idea for PR-refugees deciding if or when to return to their home country, but the gist of it is that what is arguable based on Camayo is about what might work to save status when the government has decided to impose cessation, and it very much appears the odds are not good.

In regards to Yilmaz in particular . . .

This one feels pretty outrageous to me.

To the extent this is oriented to how unfair or unjust it is to strip a PR-refugee of their status to remain in Canada, based on a presumption of reavailment intent, that aligns with my personal sentiments. Which is mostly about what the law should be, about what should happen if the law was fair and just.

In regards to how the current law regarding cessation works, what the criteria is and how decision-making standards apply, Justice Grammond's decision mostly stays within the lines and is consistent with most other FC decisions addressing cessation based on reavailment . . .
. . . except? Well, yeah, there is a "no 'elephant in the room'" elephant in the room.

I will try to address this further, but first there are several other cessation and cessation-related decisions to catch-up with.
 
In regards to Yilmaz in particular . . .

That is, for a PR-refugee considering travel to the home country, so assessing the risks, they should be aware that their personal reasons for the travel, no matter how compelling, may not reduce the risks much if at all.


In regards to how the current law regarding cessation works, what the criteria is and how decision-making standards apply, Justice Grammond's decision mostly stays within the lines and is consistent with most other FC decisions addressing cessation based on reavailment . . .
You're always right to raise this first - we need to make clear how things actually work (no matter how much we may dislike it) so that a casual reader won't misinterpret or walk away with the wrong impression. It'd be horrifying if someone read a single page - or even just one post - of this thread, and did the wrong thing based on the assumption that "what should be" in that post is the same as "what actually is" and was stripped of PR as a result..
In regards to Yilmaz in particular . . .



To the extent this is oriented to how unfair or unjust it is to strip a PR-refugee of their status to remain in Canada, based on a presumption of reavailment intent, that aligns with my personal sentiments. Which is mostly about what the law should be, about what should happen if the law was fair and just.
Yep. I suppose on this point, we're mostly preaching to the choir here...
And yes, there are additional cases not mentioned or discussed here. Including the big one: the Slepcsik constitutional challenge that more than a few had pinned their hopes to. This warrants further discussion, but for now those hopes depend on a further appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal.

Spoiler alert: Justice Gleeson rejects the constitutional challenges, and this includes validating the automatic termination of PR status as a consequence when refugee status is ceased. The Slepcsik decision is a long one and as weedy as it gets (to be expected in constitutional cases). Questions were certified, so this could be on its way to the FCA, assuming timing limitations have been met . . .
The silver living I see here - if the FC had struck it down, as the FC's decisions are not precedent setting, it's possible that the gov't might not have appealed and let Slepcsik win, but then ignored it in cases involving other people.

But a win at the FCA can't be ignored as easily, since those decisions actually are precedent setting.
What matters most, and most by a big, big margin, is the inherent decision underlying the act of entering the home country using a travel document issued by the home country. Why does not matter much.
Of course the only other travel doc* a refugee has access to would be the Canadian Refugee Travel Document (RTD), which explicitly says that it is not good for entering the home country (well, in more formal or legalistic terms, but you get the idea).

So if one can't use the either travel docs that one would normally have access to, then that means one would be attempting to enter the home country without any travel doc at all.

I guess in some cases that might work at an official port of entry/border crossing (e.g. using your birth certificate to cross the Canadan-US border back when that was allowed, in theory the US allows a US citizen who can prove their identity to enter with just a fine or something at worst, so Denise Harvey could use her birth certificate and Canadian DL to cross a PoE and likely get accepted - though in Harvey's case she'd probably be arrested as soon as she formally landed on US soil).

Most of the time though I imagine if you aren't using an actual travel doc like a passport, you're force to engage in a very dangerous game of crossing a land or water border without going through a proper port of entry. (And by dangerous I mean you could very well lose your life. The 2022 example of the Patel family: Jagdish, Vaishaliben, Vihangi, and Dharmik come to mind here.)

At this point, I almost feel like it is better to say you can't travel to the home country, period.

* Normally the way a person possesses multiple travel documents is if either they're a diplomat or official with some international organization that is allowed to issue their own passports (e.g. one has a UN-issued passport for official UN purposes) - but it'd be highly unusual for a person to suddenly become a refugee. Else, the person has multiple nationalities and uses another country's passport - but in this case that person also wouldn't be a refugee (since they'd be expected simply to not only flee to their other country, but even call upon the other country to protect them). I'm excluding some weird cases here (like BN(O) passport holders who've lost their residency in Hong Kong somehow, or folks who only hold Taiwan ROC passports without household registration in what's technically termed the Taiwan Area) but I think these would be rare enough that we don't have to consider them unless we see a real life example of it happening.