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My mother is American citizen and a permanent resident of Canada for 15 years. She was stopped at the airport coming back from Lebanon on April 31st 2025 for non compliance with the permanent residency obligation, as she had remained outside of Canada for more than five years for family issues. As a result, a removal order was issued, which was subsequently appealed and denied.
Now the lawyer has advised us to do a judicial review, how long would that take? And in the meantime would the cbsa order deportation?
 
Not an expert but it seems like there are holes in your story here. Americans don't need a visa to visit Canada so it's not clear why a removal order was issued or why deportation would be considered. Is she trying to work or go to school? Or do anything else other than visit?
Hard to say how long a judicial review will take but you're already speaking with a lawyer - that'll be the best person to offer any estimates at a time like this.
Also, there are only 30 days in April.
 
Not an expert but it seems like there are holes in your story here. Americans don't need a visa to visit Canada so it's not clear why a removal order was issued or why deportation would be considered. Is she trying to work or go to school? Or do anything else other than visit?
Hard to say how long a judicial review will take but you're already speaking with a lawyer - that'll be the best person to offer any estimates at a time like this.
Also, there are only 30 days in April.
Yeah sorry April 30th of last year.
So my mother is 70 years old, after all the issues she went through in Lebanon she decided to relocate to Canada to stay with me.

She was a PR for 15 years
 
If she's lost her residency status then it won't be possible to relocate here for now. I don't think things will escalate to getting deported, but that's my opinion. It would be best to treat her presence in Canada like a visit till things get sorted - if there's family in the US may be she can visit them and then return.
Ultimately, your lawyer is your best bet and I wish you both good luck.
 
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My mother is American citizen and a permanent resident of Canada for 15 years. She was stopped at the airport coming back from Lebanon on April 31st 2025 for non compliance with the permanent residency obligation, as she had remained outside of Canada for more than five years for family issues. As a result, a removal order was issued, which was subsequently appealed and denied.
Now the lawyer has advised us to do a judicial review, how long would that take? And in the meantime would the cbsa order deportation?

Somewhat depends on her non-compliance. How much time has she spent in Canada in the past 15 years?
 
My mother is American citizen and a permanent resident of Canada for 15 years. She was stopped at the airport coming back from Lebanon on April 31st 2025 for non compliance with the permanent residency obligation, as she had remained outside of Canada for more than five years for family issues. As a result, a removal order was issued, which was subsequently appealed and denied.
Now the lawyer has advised us to do a judicial review, how long would that take? And in the meantime would the cbsa order deportation?
She should of known she’d have a high chance of getting reported
 
If she's lost her residency status then it won't be possible to relocate here for now. I don't think things will escalate to getting deported, but that's my opinion. It would be best to treat her presence in Canada like a visit till things get sorted - if there's family in the US may be she can visit them and then return.
Ultimately, your lawyer is your best bet and I wish you both good luck.
She could do that . But she’s in the system now . She’s not guaranteed to be allowed into Canada.

And she had a removal ordered against her. Do you really think if she leaves , she’ll just be allowed in ?
Being American is irrelevant
 
Somewhat depends on her non-compliance. How much time has she spent in Canada in the past 15 years?
She was in Canada from 1990 to 2005. Then she came back around 2009 to 2012 approximately. She then went to the US and then travelled to Lebanon so she can take care of her inheritance.

I’m so anxious because she has nobody in the US and can’t do simple things by herself.
 
She was in Canada from 1990 to 2005. Then she came back around 2009 to 2012 approximately. She then went to the US and then travelled to Lebanon so she can take care of her inheritance.

I’m so anxious because she has nobody in the US and can’t do simple things by herself.

Her non-compliance is significant and it doesn’t take over a decade to sort out an inheritance. When she applied for PR the residency of 2 out of 5 years would have been explained. She is 70 why can’t she do simple things by herself? She also likely will struggle to get a health card given she doesn’t have a valid PR card and would have had to reapply for a new one when she returned to Canada because she didn’t meet the residency requirement for healthcare either. Chances are likely low when it comes to JR but up to you to try your luck.
 
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As a pr holder she had no clue she had to stay 2 years within a 5 year frame.
It sucks because she could have applied for citizenship when she was living here for 15 years, but here we are now.

Yeah, it is what it is and that's not good. The fact "she had no clue she had to stay 2 years within a 5 year frame" almost certainly carries very, very little weight in her favour.

Sorry, very sorry, but . . . this is a situation in which your mother will likely be deported, sooner or later, unless the lawyers have a case to make otherwise . . . so you and your mother need to look to the lawyers for advice about how to proceed . . . be that to proceed with the effort to obtain judicial review or avoid deportation in pre-removal relief proceedings . . . or to best navigate relocating to the U.S. (or elsewhere if that is an option).

I understand the difficulty of the situation; and you, and your mother, have my sincere condolences. I believe things should be different, but that is my ideological side, which unfortunately is far too idealistic for this world (which is one of the reasons I steer wide of expressing my opinions here about what the law and rules should be . . . my opinions in that regard have zero relevance in how things actually work or will work in any foreseeable future).

As someone for whom 70 is in the rearview mirror, long past 70 now, and whose family is predominantly in my home country, a country in which there is legislation pending that might mean I could never again travel there (legislation that is getting very little publicity), let alone return to live there (and it is a country on a downward trajectory radically diminishing its suitability for me otherwise), and yeah that is the same country that could be your mother's only option, my understanding is rooted in personal experience.

So, I am sorry to say, your mother probably has no realistic options for living long-term in Canada absent qualifying for and obtaining resident status in Canada pursuant to programs for bringing parents to Canada (I have not kept up with how that works these days). Given the length of her absence from Canada, it appears that any chance of keeping PR status would be based on the hardship she faces if deported, and as much as the U.S. is a hostile country in my view, it is very much considered a safe destination for deportees in the view of the Canadian government.

I say that without knowing what the lawyer has in mind in regards to grounds for obtaining Judicial Review, let alone being granted relief. Perhaps there is a case to be made. You and your mother will need to rely on the lawyer, or other lawyers, to guide you in that regard. There are procedural ways to avoid or at least delay physical deportation, but these too depend mostly on the hardship deportation will cause, and again, for now the Canadian government, including its courts, are not likely to consider deportation to the U.S. as unduly harsh or a hardship rising to the level that would preclude deportation . . . again, your mother's lawyers may know reason otherwise.

When she applied for PR the residency of 2 out of 5 years would have been explained.

For someone who became a Permanent Resident of Canada in 1990 (actually anytime prior to 2003), at that time (and not until after the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act adopted in 2001 took effect, which I believe was January 1, 2003) they would not have been subject to, let alone advised, that there was a two years in five "residency obligation."

Under the law applicable when the OP's mother became a PR (and until 2003), that is the Immigration Act of 1976, other than having been issued an enforceable deportation order based on criminal or security grounds (that is, was determined to be a member of an "inadmissible class" as referenced in Section 27 of the 1976 Act), a PR would lose their status if they left or remained "outside Canada with the intention of abandoning Canada as [their] place of permanent residence," pursuant to Section 24.(1)(a) of the 1976 Act.

That was a subjective standard and in many respects more flexible. Indeed, under Section 25 of the 1976 Act, a PR intending to leave Canada "for any period of time" could make an application for a "returning resident permit," possession of which constituted proof they did not leave or remain outside Canada with the intention of abandoning Canada as their place of permanent residence. Without a returning resident permit, there was a presumption of having abandoned Canada, as their place of permanent residence, if they were outside Canada for more than 183 days in any 12 month period. This was rebuttable if they could satisfy Canadian officials they did not intend to abandon Canada as their place of permanent residence.

In any event, the OP's mother would not have been advised of the current PR Residency Obligation when she became a PR. Moreover, it is unlikely she would have been advised or given notice of the PR RO by any Canadian officials since unless she was involved in some transaction (with either CBSA or IRCC/CIC) since 2002 in which the RO was at issue. OP does not indicate any such transactions but of course potential instances include the PoE screening upon her return to Canada in 2009 (after an absence of more than three years) or any PR card applications (noting however that many who became PRs prior to 2003 and who had British or American citizenship never bothered to apply for a PR card).

In any event, no way "the residency of 2 out of 5 years would have been explained" when she applied for PR. And even for those who have become PRs under IRPA, it is far from certain the RO was "explained" to them. I have no recollection of any government official explaining the RO to me, ever (I became a PR in 2009), not in the process of applying for PR (during which I had no conversation with any government official), not in the process of landing, and at no time while I was a PR. That said, there has always (since 2008 anyway, when I started following this stuff) been plenty of prominently published information about the RO. And anyone with PR status leaving Canada for an extended period of time, other than children and those who otherwise may have compromised mental competency, should readily recognize they could be and very likely would be subject to some limitations, and again information about the RO is prominently published in numerous ways, so much so it is difficult to believe ignorance other than that which is more or less deliberate. In any event, even if it is certain a PR did not know of the RO, that would carry very, very little weight in making a H&C case for keeping status.
 
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Yeah, it is what it is and that's not good. The fact "she had no clue she had to stay 2 years within a 5 year frame" almost certainly carries very, very little weight in her favour.

Sorry, very sorry, but . . . this is a situation in which your mother will likely be deported, sooner or later, unless the lawyers have a case to make otherwise . . . so you and your mother need to look to the lawyers for advice about how to proceed . . . be that to proceed with the effort to obtain judicial review or avoid deportation in pre-removal relief proceedings . . . or to best navigate relocating to the U.S. (or elsewhere if that is an option).

I understand the difficulty of the situation; and you, and your mother, have my sincere condolences. I believe things should be different, but that is my ideological side, which unfortunately is far too idealistic for this world (which is one of the reasons I steer wide of expressing my opinions here about what the law and rules should be . . . my opinions in that regard have zero relevance in how things actually work or will work in any foreseeable future).

As someone for whom 70 is in the rearview mirror, long past 70 now, and whose family is predominantly in my home country, a country in which there is legislation pending that might mean I could never again travel there (legislation that is getting very little publicity), let alone return to live there (and it is a country on a downward trajectory radically diminishing its suitability for me otherwise), and yeah that is the same country that could be your mother's only option, my understanding is rooted in personal experience.

So, I am sorry to say, your mother probably has no realistic options for living long-term in Canada absent qualifying for and obtaining resident status in Canada pursuant to programs for bringing parents to Canada (I have not kept up with how that works these days). Given the length of her absence from Canada, it appears that any chance of keeping PR status would be based on the hardship she faces if deported, and as much as the U.S. is a hostile country in my view, it is very much considered a safe destination for deportees in the view of the Canadian government.

I say that without knowing what the lawyer has in mind in regards to grounds for obtaining Judicial Review, let alone being granted relief. Perhaps there is a case to be made. You and your mother will need to rely on the lawyer, or other lawyers, to guide you in that regard. There are procedural ways to avoid or at least delay physical deportation, but these too depend mostly on the hardship deportation will cause, and again, for now the Canadian government, including its courts, are not likely to consider deportation to the U.S. as unduly harsh or a hardship rising to the level that would preclude deportation . . . again, your mother's lawyers may know reason otherwise.



For someone who became a Permanent Resident of Canada in 1990 (actually anytime prior to 2003), at that time (and not until after the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act adopted in 2001 took effect, which I believe was January 1, 2003) they would not have been subject to, let alone advised, that there was a two years in five "residency obligation."

Under the law applicable when the OP's mother became a PR (and until 2003), that is the Immigration Act of 1976, other than having been issued an enforceable deportation order based on criminal or security grounds (that is, was determined to be a member of an "inadmissible class" as referenced in Section 27 of the 1976 Act), a PR would lose their status if they left or remained "outside Canada with the intention of abandoning Canada as [their] place of permanent residence," pursuant to Section 24.(1)(a) of the 1976 Act.

That was a subjective standard and in many respects more flexible. Indeed, under Section 25 of the 1976 Act, a PR intending to leave Canada "for any period of time" could make an application for a "returning resident permit," possession of which constituted proof they did not leave or remain outside Canada with the intention of abandoning Canada as their place of permanent residence. Without a returning resident permit, there was a presumption of having abandoned Canada, as their place of permanent residence, if they were outside Canada for more than 183 days in any 12 month period. This was rebuttable if they could satisfy Canadian officials they did not intend to abandon Canada as their place of permanent residence.

In any event, the OP's mother would not have been advised of the current PR Residency Obligation when she became a PR. Moreover, it is unlikely she would have been advised or given notice of the PR RO by any Canadian officials since unless she was involved in some transaction (with either CBSA or IRCC/CIC) since 2002 in which the RO was at issue. OP does not indicate any such transactions but of course potential instances include the PoE screening upon her return to Canada in 2009 (after an absence of more than three years) or any PR card applications (noting however that many who became PRs prior to 2003 and who had British or American citizenship never bothered to apply for a PR card).

In any event, no way "the residency of 2 out of 5 years would have been explained" when she applied for PR. And even for those who have become PRs under IRPA, it is far from certain the RO was "explained" to them. I have no recollection of any government official explaining the RO to me, ever (I became a PR in 2009), not in the process of applying for PR (during which I had no conversation with any government official), not in the process of landing, and at no time while I was a PR. That said, there has always (since 2008 anyway, when I started following this stuff) been plenty of prominently published information about the RO. And anyone with PR status leaving Canada for an extended period of time, other than children and those who otherwise may have compromised mental competency, should readily recognize they could be and very likely would be subject to some limitations, and again information about the RO is prominently published in numerous ways, so much so it is difficult to believe ignorance other than that which is more or less deliberate. In any event, even if it is certain a PR did not know of the RO, that would carry very, very little weight in making a H&C case for keeping status.

Fair point but I assume she may have applied for a new PR card at some point where residency obligation is a factor. Also meant explained mainly through written documentation not unlike residency requirement when applying for a health card. Agree that ignorance as an argument only goes so far. People are expected to do their own due diligence as well. Assume mother also has Lebanese citizenship or other status as well as US. Given time spent in Lebanon assume there would be the argument that the mother has the option to move to the US or return to Lebanon which seems to have been her permanent home for a long period of time.

Assume the argument that lawyers are proposing that a JR should be based on the fact that she is 70 and needs family support to function and should be able to retain her PR based on H&C reasons. One of the reasons I asked to clarify why she couldn’t care for herself as a 70 year old and live independently. Most 70 year olds are still in relatively good health.
 
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This is mostly about procedural clarifications:

Other than what might be available pursuant to sponsoring a parent for PR (which I know very little about, even whether that is practically available now, generally or for the OP in particular), the OP and their mother need to look to competent immigration lawyers. That's it on this front.


Assume the argument that lawyers are proposing that a JR should be based on the fact that she is 70 and needs family support to function and should be able to retain her PR based on H&C reasons. One of the reasons I asked to clarify why she couldn’t care for herself as a 70 year old and live independently. Most 70 year olds are still in relatively good health.

Since the appeal has already been denied, and the bar for even being granted leave for judicial review is so high, in conjunction with the limited factual information provided by the OP (which, no assumptions necessary, nonetheless is sufficient to easily recognize that the extent of the mother's absence from Canada undoubtedly posed a near insurmountable hurdle in the appeal before the IAD), it is a distraction to even speculate, let alone assume what grounds the lawyers might have for obtaining JR.

At this juncture the OP and their mother need to look to competent immigration lawyers in regards to any potential recourse for saving her PR status (through seeking leave for JR, which even if successful, say there are technical grounds for setting aside the IAD decision, would only mean going back to the IAD again to have the matter decided by a different panel) or otherwise preventing deportation (by pursuing the Pre-Removal Risk Assessment process, which might only delay deportation). Again, that's it on that front. No reason to speculate about the nature of any H&C factors she might have had, let alone make assumptions.

REMEMBER: the Federal Court does not even have jurisdiction to adjudicate whether the PR should have been allowed H&C relief. Unless the FC determines the IAD panel's decision-making was unreasonable, or otherwise determines there were errors in the process rendering the decision invalid in law, the IAD decision must be upheld. To be clear, even if a FC justice disagrees with the IAD decision and feels that H&C relief should have been allowed, that is NOT enough to set the IAD decision aside.


. . . I assume she may have applied for a new PR card at some point where residency obligation is a factor.

Maybe. Maybe not. My guess is probably not. Friends I have known who became Canadian PRs in the 20th century (who have, sadly, died in the last decade; getting old has its limits, a horizon looming all too large among my age group), who carried British or U.S. passports, and who had the documentation showing their PR status, documentation issued before the implementation of the current PR system under IRPA, did not bother with getting PR cards or with becoming Canadian citizens. Some regularly traveled outside Canada and never had any issues flying back here or otherwise at the border.

Here too, no need to make assumptions: we both agree that not knowing about the RO is, in effect, no defense, and even in an H&C analysis would carry very, very little weight.

Also meant explained mainly through written documentation not unlike residency requirement when applying for a health card.

To be clear, any written documentation she was given or was even available to her when she applied for PR or in the process of landing and becoming a PR, would not have explained the 2/5 RO Canada implemented more than a decade later.

Setting aside the procedural clarifications:

Again, I want to extend my condolences to @Lebcanadian. I know this is almost certainly a really tough situation. I hope the lawyers have a solution . . . hoping the best for you and your mother.

One more tangent . . .


Most 70 year olds are still in relatively good health.

In regards to the situation presented here, this is largely irrelevant. And I am not well acquainted with statistical data regarding the health of people indicated by age-based demographics.

But I do know there is a lot, lot more to living independently than the state of one's health, and by the time someone is in their senior years, there is a difference, a huge difference, between living independently within range of getting some support from family or established friends, at the very least some in person emotional support (even for those managing well, there are plenty of times a digital hug is not anywhere near enough) . . . versus being deported to a country where that support is not available. . . . let alone a country beleaguered with problems like Lebanon, or the increasingly unfriendly and, for far too many, increasingly hostile U.S. (where the rule of law itself appears to be on the brink of collapse).

I cannot imagine how hard it would have been for me to be forcibly relocated to another country back when I was 70, even though I was still working, still earning a living, even though I was and even now continue to be in significantly good health, considerably better than "relatively" good health.
 
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