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Hi,
I got my PR in 2023 through PNP Non Express Entry, was away from the country for one year, now back again.

But
I am planning to move out of province for better job market,

will this be a problem for PR renewal or Citizenship ?
anyone done before ? please advise.
 
Hi,
I got my PR in 2023 through PNP Non Express Entry, was away from the country for one year, now back again.

But
I am planning to move out of province for better job market,

will this be a problem for PR renewal or Citizenship ?
anyone done before ? please advise.

Did you settle in the province through which you received PNP? If you lived and worked in the province after receiving PR and then moved away to pursue other opportunities then no it should not be an issue.
 
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Since my PR, I have stayed here 248 days cumulative till date and was out of country for 547 days ( cumulative ).
 
Since my PR, I have stayed here 248 days cumulative till date and was out of country for 547 days ( cumulative ).

If you have lived in the province where you received PNP for 248 days after receiving PR you did settle in that province so no issue.
 
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Hello,

Just wondering if someone from here have the same situation. Been here in MB for 10 years and is aCanadian Citizen, an MPNP product way back 2014. I just recently got a job offer from another province with a lot higher salary and thinking of moving. But I was reading some thread that if I did not settle in MB permanently my supporter would be banned from MPNP and can no longer support another applicant in the future. Was there an exemption to this rule?

Thanks
 
Hello,

Just wondering if someone from here have the same situation. Been here in MB for 10 years and is aCanadian Citizen, an MPNP product way back 2014. I just recently got a job offer from another province with a lot higher salary and thinking of moving. But I was reading some thread that if I did not settle in MB permanently my supporter would be banned from MPNP and can no longer support another applicant in the future. Was there an exemption to this rule?

Thanks
"Some thread" / "I heard it on facebook" are notoriously suspect sources.

In other words: I don't think it's a rule, and indeed think it's bullshit.
 
Hello,

Just wondering if someone from here have the same situation. Been here in MB for 10 years and is aCanadian Citizen, an MPNP product way back 2014. I just recently got a job offer from another province with a lot higher salary and thinking of moving. But I was reading some thread that if I did not settle in MB permanently my supporter would be banned from MPNP and can no longer support another applicant in the future. Was there an exemption to this rule?

Thanks

It is OK to take a job in another province . . . and resettle there . . . or even (since you have citizenship) in another country. OK for you. OK for anyone who supported or sponsored you.

No expertise or knowledge of the MPNP rules in particular necessary, it is safe to say that if you remained in the province for more than two years, let alone ten, and even if you were still a PR let alone a citizen, there is no reason to worry that taking a job in a different province would have any negative impact on your immigration status or that it would have a negative impact on the eligibility of a supporter, sponsor, or employer in the provincial program.

Further observations . . .

Caveat:
I am not in the same or anywhere near similar situation . . . and I am not familiar with the particular rules for MPNP . . . but I can caution that posts here are no more reliable than what is found in other open sources accessible online, which is not to say what you have read elsewhere about MPNP is any more or any less BS than a post here claiming what you read (based on your vague rendition) is BS . . . that is, as always, even though many here (including me) make an effort to provide informative and insightful commentary here (and in other open sources on the Internet), read with a critical eye and rely only to the extent you verify (either through other sources or sound analytical reasoning, both is good).

That said . . . in regards to your query in particular . . . contrary to @armoured, rather than claiming the rules you reference are BS it is quite likely that most provincial nomination programs including and similar to the MPNP have some rules governing the program which can result in disqualifying supporters/sponsors (or such) depending on various factors, which in some programs could include whether the nominated PR settles as intended. Such rules vary widely and differ over time.

So the particular rules applicable to you and whoever supported you nomination would be what matters. EXCEPT you are well beyond the range of even the most strict versions of these programs.

So, even though I am not familiar with the particular rules applicable to YOU and who you reference as a "supporter," as of when you were a nominee and obtained PR status, it is safe to say that no matter how strict those rules were, the fact you stayed in province for more than two years, again let alone ten, would easily satisfy the rules . . . for BOTH you and any supporter. This is largely based on a general knowledge of Canada's immigration system and the strictest rules for such programs.
 
That said . . . in regards to your query in particular . . . contrary to @armoured, rather than claiming the rules you reference are BS it is quite likely that most provincial nomination programs including and similar to the MPNP have some rules ...
it is safe to say that no matter how strict those rules were, the fact you stayed in province for more than two years, again let alone ten, would easily satisfy the rules . . . for BOTH you and any supporter.
My answer that it was BS was and is correct in the context of the original question and the phrasing: that "But I was reading some thread that if I did not settle in MB permanently..." (bolded for convenience).

It is indeed bullshit that there was ever such a rule requiring anyone to settle in a province permanently - as would be a clear violation of constitution.

And as noted, ten years - let alone two or even one - would easily satisfy "the rules" as they actually exist. Making the stated claim from somewhere else obvious bullshit.
 
My answer that it was BS was and is correct in the context of the original question and the phrasing: that "But I was reading some thread that if I did not settle in MB permanently..." (bolded for convenience).

It is indeed bullshit that there was ever such a rule requiring anyone to settle in a province permanently - as would be a clear violation of constitution.

And as noted, ten years - let alone two or even one - would easily satisfy "the rules" as they actually exist. Making the stated claim from somewhere else obvious bullshit.

Upfront, to be clear, according to a Manitoba government website, to be a "supporter" for a nominee in the MPNP program, the supporter . . .
". . . must be able to demonstrate that any applications they previously supported resulted in successful, permanent economic establishment in Manitoba . . ."​
among other requirements.

So the rule that @mrcj17 asked about exists, and is indeed the rule.

Since @mrcj17 settled in Manitoba for ten years (and even if it had only been two years), their supporter should be able to easily demonstrate meeting this requirement, this rule, if they are looking at being the supporter for another nominee.

As I said,
It is OK to take a job in another province . . . and resettle there . . . or even (since you have citizenship) in another country. OK for you. OK for anyone who supported or sponsored you.

No expertise or knowledge of the MPNP rules in particular necessary, it is safe to say that if you remained in the province for more than two years, let alone ten, and even if you were still a PR let alone a citizen, there is no reason to worry that taking a job in a different province would have any negative impact on your immigration status or that it would have a negative impact on the eligibility of a supporter, sponsor, or employer in the provincial program.

As is more often the case than not the case in queries posted here, the way @mrcj17 phrased it was imprecise. But the rule being referenced is clear enough. If, as "an MPNP product" @mrcj17 "did not settle in MB permanently" that could indeed preclude their supporter from being a supporter for another MPNP nominee in the future. Since @mrcj17 did settle permanently in Manitoba (easily demonstrated based on two years let alone ten), no problem, OK to move, OK for both @mrcj17 and for the supporter.

So I am scratching my head a bit. You are posting, it appears, to argue (why argue) that you were correct to say . . . well, I am not sure what you were saying is BS, now arguing it is BS no less. Either way, whether you are insisting that such a rule is BS, or that claiming there is such a rule is BS, is . . . well, probably no need for me to spell it out . . .

. . . the more important thing is understand the question asked and, if responding be responsive to the question. No BS should work.

Otherwise . . .

I admit I did not bother to do the rudimentary homework to become familiar with the particular rules governing nominee supporters in Manitoba, before responding. I was not pretending to know it all (after all, it is readily apparent there is a great deal about immigration in Canada I do not know), but excused being a little lazy because the length of time @mrcj17 has been settled in Manitoba would clearly satisfy whatever the rules require, which, as I said was "based on a general knowledge of Canada's immigration system and the strictest rules for such programs."

But I otherwise have to admit I am confused by your bolding of the term "permanently" for, you say, "convenience."

Apart from having no idea how bolding the term "permanently" is convenient . . .
. . . for others for whom English is not the most convenient language and who might not recognize many words in this language have multiple meanings, at the risk of stating the obvious, as used in Canada in immigration contexts, terms like "permanent" and "permanently" do not mean forever unchanging, or changeless, but rather refer to what is intended to last for a considerable time, at least an indefinite rather than a temporary period of time. Those who are applying to become a Permanent Resident of Canada, for example, do not need to worry that they are misrepresenting their intent to settle permanently in Canada (which is required to qualify for a grant of PR status) if they harbor ideas about living outside Canada for a period of time in the future.

Edit to add: I am additionally confused why you say such a rule limiting eligibility to be the supporter for a provincial nominee would be unconstitutional. Not on the table here, so shrug, but FWIW that's not how I see it.
 
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Note that the Declaration of the Manitoba Supporter in the Settlement Plan Part 2, signed by your Manitoba supporter states:

“I hereby declare that I clearly understand the applicant has made a formal declaration of their intention to live and work in Manitoba. I will not knowingly support the application of individuals who do not intend to live in Manitoba, and I understand that I will be prohibited from supporting the MPNP applications other relatives or friends in the future if the present applicant and/or his/her dependents do not settle successfully and permanently in Manitoba.”

There is a real rule from MPNP in regards with supporter being banned from supporting future application if the applicant did not settle permanently in Manitoba. Not sure what permanent means really is in terms of MPNP definition. Because I knew people who moved out from MB. Just taking my chance here if there are similar experience with mine that I can reference to MPNP before I make my move.

Thanks to both dpenabill armoured for your humble opinion on this.