Residency obligation

[armoured]

Great comment. " only single entry"=> i hope we can have multi entries. "until they have the renewed PR card"=> sure, might depend how many weeks it takes.

You should expect that it won't be fast.

 

[canuck78]

Great comment. " only single entry"=> i hope we can have multi entries. "until they have the renewed PR card"=> sure, might depend how many weeks it takes.

Think you are missing the point as to why PRTDs based on H&C are awarded. It is for permanent moves back to Canada. It is not meant for people to obtain PR cards with the knowledge they will not be able to meet their RO. For example if you have a sick relative and will continue to need to spend a large portion of your time abroad then applying for PRTD based on H&C may not make sense and applying later when the health of the relative has been resolved may be a better option. There are examples when multiple entry PRTDs are awarded or can be requested that make sense. For example if you are living abroad with your Canadian partner and want to visit Canada and have no intention of moving back to Canada in the near future then a multiple entry PRTDs is sometimes awarded or can be requested.

 

[SuperMarco]

You should expect that it won't be fast.

I have time : i'm abroad ;-( ! thanks for comment.

 

[SuperMarco]

Think you are missing the point as to why PRTDs based on H&C are awarded. It is for permanent moves back to Canada. It is not meant for people to obtain PR cards with the knowledge they will not be able to meet their RO. For example if you have a sick relative and will continue to need to spend a large portion of your time abroad then applying for PRTD based on H&C may not make sense and applying later when the health of the relative has been resolved may be a better option. There are examples when multiple entry PRTDs are awarded or can be requested that make sense. For example if you are living abroad with your Canadian partner and want to visit Canada and have no intention of moving back to Canada in the near future then a multiple entry PRTDs is sometimes awarded or can be requested.

Thank you. I agree. I know life is complex due to a sick member in my family.

 

[Kpmand]

Has anyone applied PRTD in India? By any chance, do you know how long would it take for the passport to be stamped since it is submitted with the VFS Global?

@kprs_ind did you got your passport? Could you please share timeline?

 

[kprs_ind]

@kprs_ind did you got your passport? Could you please share timeline?

For passport, it was 10 business days.

 

[Bill2018Canada]

If you have valid PR card, you will be admitted entry. However, you need to meet residency obligation 730 days in the last 5 years to renew PR card. While entering, the border officer may ask you some questions. And you need to answer that you are going to reside in canada henceforth. This happened to me when i made entry 2 yrs ago.

@kvan60 Hi......you said you made entry 2 yrs ago. So I assume you have now met the RO of 730 days. Have you renewed your PR card ? If so, can you please share the time lines of your PR renewal applications. I am asking as I have also completed the 2 years and applying for PR renewal now.

 

[kvan60]

@kvan60 Hi......you said you made entry 2 yrs ago. So I assume you have now met the RO of 730 days. Have you renewed your PR card ? If so, can you please share the time lines of your PR renewal applications. I am asking as I have also completed the 2 years and applying for PR renewal now.

Yes, I renewed my PR cards after meeting residency requirement 730 days. I applied online after 740 days. I received my card in 14 days

 

[SuperMarco]

Hello, i fullfil the document online for asking a PRTD with huge pessimism ,(- and i realize the portal does not accept my pdf form IMM_5444 and requires to fullfil line by line which is huge as my case is long. Please can you confirm? Thank you.

 

[abff08f4813c]

Hello, i fullfil the document online for asking a PRTD with huge pessimism ,(-

Out of curiosity, why? Has your situation changed and you're ready to return to Canada? As this was the advice that was previously given to you in this thread (see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-5#post-11064870 ) and you were also advised to try the border instead of a PRTD ( see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ncrease-work-experience.870861/#post-11079696 for a reminder on why )

So was just wondering if you're following the advice of an immigration rep who recommended this or something similar, or if there was another reason.

Another thing I'm wondering about is - if a PR who does have good H&C to be away from Canada but isn't able to return, and applies for a PRTD early (before having the intention to return) could that be a reason for denial? Whereas a later application (where the reason for being away ceases) might have been successful (i.e. the sole reason for denial is because the applicant currently lacks the intention to move back to Canada right away).

 

[canuck78]

Out of curiosity, why? Has your situation changed and you're ready to return to Canada? As this was the advice that was previously given to you in this thread (see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-5#post-11064870 ) and you were also advised to try the border instead of a PRTD ( see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ncrease-work-experience.870861/#post-11079696 for a reminder on why )

So was just wondering if you're following the advice of an immigration rep who recommended this or something similar, or if there was another reason.

Another thing I'm wondering about is - if a PR who does have good H&C to be away from Canada but isn't able to return, and applies for a PRTD early (before having the intention to return) could that be a reason for denial? Whereas a later application (where the reason for being away ceases) might have been successful (i.e. the sole reason for denial is because the applicant currently lacks the intention to move back to Canada right away).

If they have no intention of returning to Canada in the near future there is no point in applying for PRTD at this point. Apply when you have proof that you will return on a permanent basis.

 

[SuperMarco]

Out of curiosity, why? Has your situation changed and you're ready to return to Canada? As this was the advice that was previously given to you in this thread (see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-5#post-11064870 ) and you were also advised to try the border instead of a PRTD ( see https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ncrease-work-experience.870861/#post-11079696 for a reminder on why )

So was just wondering if you're following the advice of an immigration rep who recommended this or something similar, or if there was another reason.

Another thing I'm wondering about is - if a PR who does have good H&C to be away from Canada but isn't able to return, and applies for a PRTD early (before having the intention to return) could that be a reason for denial? Whereas a later application (where the reason for being away ceases) might have been successful (i.e. the sole reason for denial is because the applicant currently lacks the intention to move back to Canada right away).

Thank you very muh for your point.
All you write is relevant and true. I value a lot the the advice I benefited in this excellent website.
I admit i'm disturbed and my situation did not changed. i) going to the border is the best solution but once i get there i would be able to come back but i have a sick person that i support. ii) my reasoning: weak chance to have the PRTD and then PR card for 5 years which gives me time to handle the situation OR rejection and then perhaps i reapply to PR cards. AND i feared that taking to much time for HC would defavor me iii) i don't understand the connection with the second link, sorry.
I'm very sorry to appear as a complex person, I only do my best in a complex personal situation. Thank you so much.

 

[SuperMarco]

If they have no intention of returning to Canada in the near future there is no point in applying for PRTD at this point. Apply when you have proof that you will return on a permanent basis.

Thanks a lot. My sincere intention is to go there of course, I admit i have no proof and i have to think about what proof. Your point is important. I gave the details in previous thread. Thank you again.

 

[abff08f4813c]

I admit i'm disturbed

In this case I'd echo the point brought up here, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11063220 - if one is not in a position to think clearly it's all the more important to get competent representation.

i) going to the border is the best solution but once i get there i would be able to come back but i have a sick person that i support.

That's why you don't go to the border until the reason for being away from Canada has ceased. Once you appear at the border you should be ready to stay for good, and you shouldn't try until then (however many years away that is).

ii) my reasoning: weak chance to have the PRTD and then PR card for 5 years which gives me time to handle the situation OR rejection

Keep in mind that a single entry PRTD is only valid for six months once issued as per https://www.settler.ca/english/prtd-validity-application/ and https://www.immigrationstationcanada.com/post/how-long-is-my-prtd-valid

And as pointed out earlier, you might only get a one year PR card instead of the full five year PR card, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11062968

And also remember that you need to return to Canada and then apply for a PR card, and wait while in Canada for the PR card to arrive, as per https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11064461 - meaning that if your PR card is delayed for any reason, that's keeping you away from that person in Europe.

So this isn't a good reason to try for a PRTD - even if successful, you would only have a short time to return to Canada.

If you don't return in that short timeframe then you'll have to start all over again from the beginning.

AND i feared that taking to much time for HC would defavor me

That's the part that can't be helped, I guess. But again, odds are better at the border for this.

rejection and then perhaps i reapply to PR cards.

Not possible. Once you get a rejection (and assuming you don't appeal or all appeals fail), then you lose PR status. So there's no chance to reapply for a PR card. You must actually have status as a PR to be able to reapply for a PR card.

perhaps i reapply to PR cards.

Perhaps you mean apply for PR via Express Entry or similar again. This makes a lot of sense actually. You're likely eligible for express entry now, while you might be too old when your situation in Europe is settled. But EE to getting the CoPR / PR visa in hand is a slow process - this might actually buy you the five years you were looking for, if you managed to get an ITA again.

iii) i don't understand the connection with the second link, sorry.

The second link - https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ncrease-work-experience.870861/#post-11079696 - was just explaining that the odds are better at the border compared to a PRTD.

iii) i don't understand the connection with the second link, sorry.

Or perhaps you meant my final paragraph? Basically the same as this, but we're all thinking that since you aren't able to return to Canada in the near future, you'd get the PRTD denied, and thus hurt your options for when you finally are ready to return to Canada.

If they have no intention of returning to Canada in the near future there is no point in applying for PRTD at this point. Apply when you have proof that you will return on a permanent basis.

So if you can, since you haven't finished with the application in the portal, I'd go ahead and withdraw the application. That should avoid anyone checking and trying to revoke your PR for now. (But also double check with competent representation before you do anything if you can.)

Thanks a lot. My sincere intention is to go there of course

... but not _in the near future_

So again the concern is that by applying for a PRTD prematurely you'll just end up getting your PR revoked, when actually your chances might have been better after a long delay.

I admit i have no proof and i have to think about what proof.

Actually I'm sure you have plenty of proof that you intent to return to Canada ... someday, in the distant future. The problem is that's proof for the wrong question. You'd need to prove that you want to return to Canada immediately (or at least within the next six months) when all the evidence goes the other way (that you'd have to stay in Europe with your sick relative during that time).

I'm very sorry to appear as a complex person, I only do my best in a complex personal situation. Thank you so much.

Of course, and as it's your situation, you're the one who has the right to decide what to do. My concern here is that you may not be choosing the best option for yourself.

 

[canuck78]

In this case I'd echo the point brought up here, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11063220 - if one is not in a position to think clearly it's all the more important to get competent representation.

That's why you don't go to the border until the reason for being away from Canada has ceased. Once you appear at the border you should be ready to stay for good, and you shouldn't try until then (however many years away that is).

Keep in mind that a single entry PRTD is only valid for six months once issued as per https://www.settler.ca/english/prtd-validity-application/ and https://www.immigrationstationcanada.com/post/how-long-is-my-prtd-valid

And as pointed out earlier, you might only get a one year PR card instead of the full five year PR card, https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11062968

And also remember that you need to return to Canada and then apply for a PR card, and wait while in Canada for the PR card to arrive, as per https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...idency-obligation.870752/page-4#post-11064461 - meaning that if your PR card is delayed for any reason, that's keeping you away from that person in Europe.

So this isn't a good reason to try for a PRTD - even if successful, you would only have a short time to return to Canada.

If you don't return in that short timeframe then you'll have to start all over again from the beginning.

That's the part that can't be helped, I guess. But again, odds are better at the border for this.

Not possible. Once you get a rejection (and assuming you don't appeal or all appeals fail), then you lose PR status. So there's no chance to reapply for a PR card. You must actually have status as a PR to be able to reapply for a PR card.

Perhaps you mean apply for PR via Express Entry or similar again. This makes a lot of sense actually. You're likely eligible for express entry now, while you might be too old when your situation in Europe is settled. But EE to getting the CoPR / PR visa in hand is a slow process - this might actually buy you the five years you were looking for, if you managed to get an ITA again.

The second link - https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-i...ncrease-work-experience.870861/#post-11079696 - was just explaining that the odds are better at the border compared to a PRTD.

Or perhaps you meant my final paragraph? Basically the same as this, but we're all thinking that since you aren't able to return to Canada in the near future, you'd get the PRTD denied, and thus hurt your options for when you finally are ready to return to Canada.


So if you can, since you haven't finished with the application in the portal, I'd go ahead and withdraw the application. That should avoid anyone checking and trying to revoke your PR for now. (But also double check with competent representation before you do anything if you can.)


... but not _in the near future_

So again the concern is that by applying for a PRTD prematurely you'll just end up getting your PR revoked, when actually your chances might have been better after a long delay.


Actually I'm sure you have plenty of proof that you intent to return to Canada ... someday, in the distant future. The problem is that's proof for the wrong question. You'd need to prove that you want to return to Canada immediately (or at least within the next six months) when all the evidence goes the other way (that you'd have to stay in Europe with your sick relative during that time).

Of course, and as it's your situation, you're the one who has the right to decide what to do. My concern here is that you may not be choosing the best option for yourself.

The big issue is that when you apply for PRTD via H&C you should be able to show that the H&C issue has been resolved and you are in a position to return to Canada and meet your RO. If going to the border you could still be reported for not meeting RO or your file flagged for not meeting RO which would likely lead to questioning on subsequent entries and you are more likely to get reported if you repeatedly fail to meet your RO.