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SecularFirst

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@canuck78 Yes you are right I have been in academia for over 2 decades but I am still treating patients but not actively. The licensing process in Canada is very tedious and I do not hold full registration in countries where Canada has reciprocal registration. Many overseas dental academics in Canadian universities are from other countries and work in academia on a temporary license which is renewable on a yearly basis. I have made a detailed job search and most universities reply that they don't have positions despite the fact that a large proportion of people in academia are retiring. But some people tell me that one's presence in Canada can make a difference in landing a job, I was initially also told that having a PR would make a great difference in getting a job which I certainly feel is not true. So this is my last try. If reported I shall explain my circumstances and try for a job in academia (if not successful) return.
Unless you are planning to obtain the dentist license in Canada, I would recommend you stay in your country. The cost of living is very very high in major cities with good living standards. Small rural communities have very poor quality of life, not enough doctors/specialist in rural areas, not enough quality education facilities for kids in rural parts. I would recommend going to US instead, you have better chance of getting into PhDs in US and subsequent Greed Card in EB1 categories etc.
I am a Canadian dentist and make over 260k a year, spouse is also a dentist and bring in another 200k, still I dont see a path to ever paying off our house mortgage, which mean I'll be working my entire life. Taxes are way too much here and you dont get much services like good and quick healthcare or quality education for your kids even after paying that much tax.
I would recommend to try US. We are planning to leave Canada in next few months after applying citizenship and would only return to retire here, will live here only in summer just like most older white Canadians. Hopefully they improve healthcare situation by that time, will not move if it stays the way it is now.
 

canuck78

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Unless you are planning to obtain the dentist license in Canada, I would recommend you stay in your country. The cost of living is very very high in major cities with good living standards. Small rural communities have very poor quality of life, not enough doctors/specialist in rural areas, not enough quality education facilities for kids in rural parts. I would recommend going to US instead, you have better chance of getting into PhDs in US and subsequent Greed Card in EB1 categories etc.
I am a Canadian dentist and make over 260k a year, spouse is also a dentist and bring in another 200k, still I dont see a path to ever paying off our house mortgage, which mean I'll be working my entire life. Taxes are way too much here and you dont get much services like good and quick healthcare or quality education for your kids even after paying that much tax.
I would recommend to try US. We are planning to leave Canada in next few months after applying citizenship and would only return to retire here, will live here only in summer just like most older white Canadians. Hopefully they improve healthcare situation by that time, will not move if it stays the way it is now.
Excuse me but older white Canadians are the only ones who spend winters abroad?!!! The majority of Canadians (caucasian or not) don’t spend all the winter abroad. I would also suggest looking at places like Surrey or Brampton during the winter and see how many seniors are in Asia. People going away for the summer is not limited to a certain populations. The large majority of seniors in Canada may go away for a week or two during the winter but have adapted to the winter weather.

Always love when people put Canada down but always insist on getting citizenship in this awful country.
 

canuck78

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Unless you are planning to obtain the dentist license in Canada, I would recommend you stay in your country. The cost of living is very very high in major cities with good living standards. Small rural communities have very poor quality of life, not enough doctors/specialist in rural areas, not enough quality education facilities for kids in rural parts. I would recommend going to US instead, you have better chance of getting into PhDs in US and subsequent Greed Card in EB1 categories etc.
I am a Canadian dentist and make over 260k a year, spouse is also a dentist and bring in another 200k, still I dont see a path to ever paying off our house mortgage, which mean I'll be working my entire life. Taxes are way too much here and you dont get much services like good and quick healthcare or quality education for your kids even after paying that much tax.
I would recommend to try US. We are planning to leave Canada in next few months after applying citizenship and would only return to retire here, will live here only in summer just like most older white Canadians. Hopefully they improve healthcare situation by that time, will not move if it stays the way it is now.
This person already has a PhD so your post isn’t relevant. Lots of small or mid-sized cities provide a great quality of life. Have you lived in one? Have you lived in different provinces in Canada? Looks like you have spent a few years in Canada so wouldn’t put down what you don’t know. Would add if you own your own dental practice you can run everything through your business and keep your salary at a lower personal tax rate so your actual tax rate is quite reasonable.
 
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SecularFirst

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This person already has a PhD so your post isn’t relevant. Lots of small or mid-sized cities provide a great quality of life. Have you lived in one? Have you lived in different provinces in Canada?
I live and work in a small community of population ~32k, there is just one hospital, they have no nephrologist and no neurosurgeon. People have to travel about an hour to get those services. Half the town goes to Florida at the start of November and return in May. There is no private school for kids and public school doesn’t have enough resources for special needs kids.
 

SecularFirst

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Excuse me but older white Canadians are the only ones who spend winters abroad?!!! The majority of Canadians (caucasian or not) don’t spend all the winter abroad. I would also suggest looking at places like Surrey or Brampton during the winter and see how many seniors are in Asia. People going away for the summer is not limited to a certain populations. The large majority of seniors in Canada may go away for a week or two during the winter but have adapted to the winter weather.

Always love when people put Canada down but always insist on getting citizenship in this awful country.
About 5.5 million Canadians live abroad as reported by stat Can. Thats about 15% of population. (Assume 38million population). This proportion is close to 20% you compare this number to Canadian citizen population of ~30 million. I dont think there’s any other developed country having the same number.
By the way, is there anything wrong with taking citizenship and moving out? After getting all the security clearances, paying taxes, obeying all laws and doing everything as per laws.
 

bricksonly

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Unless you are planning to obtain the dentist license in Canada, I would recommend you stay in your country. The cost of living is very very high in major cities with good living standards. Small rural communities have very poor quality of life, not enough doctors/specialist in rural areas, not enough quality education facilities for kids in rural parts. I would recommend going to US instead, you have better chance of getting into PhDs in US and subsequent Greed Card in EB1 categories etc.
I am a Canadian dentist and make over 260k a year, spouse is also a dentist and bring in another 200k, still I dont see a path to ever paying off our house mortgage, which mean I'll be working my entire life. Taxes are way too much here and you dont get much services like good and quick healthcare or quality education for your kids even after paying that much tax.
I would recommend to try US. We are planning to leave Canada in next few months after applying citizenship and would only return to retire here, will live here only in summer just like most older white Canadians. Hopefully they improve healthcare situation by that time, will not move if it stays the way it is now.
Sounds different people have different ideas about US. Hey, we moved there and found the tax is almost the same as in Canada. Living quality is lower, thanks for the house price and property tax.
Medical insurance is expensive, works as another tax.
The reason you go there maybe the same as ours. Wife's salary and bonus got tripled , but after tax and expenses, not even 1.5 times better than in Canada.
We are not talking about difference between small cities between CA and US. We compare Toronto, Vancouver to NY and SF.
 

bricksonly

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About 5.5 million Canadians live abroad as reported by stat Can. Thats about 15% of population. (Assume 38million population). This proportion is close to 20% you compare this number to Canadian citizen population of ~30 million. I dont think there’s any other developed country having the same number.
By the way, is there anything wrong with taking citizenship and moving out? After getting all the security clearances, paying taxes, obeying all laws and doing everything as per laws.
US, Canada, Australia, and new Zealand are traditional immigration country. The residents there are much more international than other countries. A 15% of citizen living aboard is reasonable, not to mention many Canadians hold duel citizenship. It's a great country and the richest if you devide its natural resources to all Canadians by the value. A country worries free.
And I would say the non resident for tax purposes of Canada is generous. That's why many rich Canadian choose leave the country when their fortune turns big to avoid investment tax. But the destination must not be the US. As US citizen or pr, you have to pay tax for your world income, no matter where you live.
 

SecularFirst

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You pay the most in terms of percentage of pay (in other words - your effort) to get basic necessities in Canada like housing. You pay the greatest amount of tax to get average healthcare. I would rather pay insurance premium and get prompt and early healthcare. There is so much waste happening in healthcare in Canada. I work in healthcare and I have seen doctors avoiding/brushing aside concerns of patients and later those issues becoming major problems leading them to play catch up, spending more resources and efforts to fix patient’s problem. Not to mention the amount of mental and physical pain the patient have to go through, and sometimes the delays are fatal. There is shortage of everything, shortage of decent housing, shortage of doctors, shortage of good schools, shortage of enough universities which lead to lot of Canadians to go abroad for higher education, shortage of teachers, shortage and long waitlist for funds for people needing special services like people who are disabled or special needs. I would rather pay out of pocket than paying excessive taxes and then waiting endlessly for those services from the government.
Canada is very underdeveloped outside major centers. I am getting taxed 52% of my income, paying the highest percentage of my income for modest housing and waiting many hours at doctors office.
There are expensive areas in US like SF and NY and there are tons of places with superior quality of life, much more affordable basic necessities to live you life rather spending majority of life paying for house and expensive cost of living. Its good place for lower to middle income but not at all good for higher income people in their working years. Its good for whoever came to Canada about 10 years ago and got house or investments. There is absolutely no way someone starting now or who started in last 3-4 years would get much far.
 

SecularFirst

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Nov 21, 2015
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US, Canada, Australia, and new Zealand are traditional immigration country. The residents there are much more international than other countries. A 15% of citizen living aboard is reasonable, not to mention many Canadians hold duel citizenship. It's a great country and the richest if you devide its natural resources to all Canadians by the value. A country worries free.
And I would say the non resident for tax purposes of Canada is generous. That's why many rich Canadian choose leave the country when their fortune turns big to avoid investment tax. But the destination must not be the US. As US citizen or pr, you have to pay tax for your world income, no matter where you live.
There is no way they can tax non residents evers. They are not willing to provide healthcare, one of the biggest tax spending item, to non residents. People would give up citizenship in a blink if Canada started taxing non residents at current rate and not providing any tax funded benefits in return.
 

bricksonly

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Mar 18, 2018
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You pay the most in terms of percentage of pay (in other words - your effort) to get basic necessities in Canada like housing. You pay the greatest amount of tax to get average healthcare. I would rather pay insurance premium and get prompt and early healthcare. There is so much waste happening in healthcare in Canada. I work in healthcare and I have seen doctors avoiding/brushing aside concerns of patients and later those issues becoming major problems leading them to play catch up, spending more resources and efforts to fix patient’s problem. Not to mention the amount of mental and physical pain the patient have to go through, and sometimes the delays are fatal. There is shortage of everything, shortage of decent housing, shortage of doctors, shortage of good schools, shortage of enough universities which lead to lot of Canadians to go abroad for higher education, shortage of teachers, shortage and long waitlist for funds for people needing special services like people who are disabled or special needs. I would rather pay out of pocket than paying excessive taxes and then waiting endlessly for those services from the government.
Canada is very underdeveloped outside major centers. I am getting taxed 52% of my income, paying the highest percentage of my income for modest housing and waiting many hours at doctors office.
There are expensive areas in US like SF and NY and there are tons of places with superior quality of life, much more affordable basic necessities to live you life rather spending majority of life paying for house and expensive cost of living. Its good place for lower to middle income but not at all good for higher income people in their working years. Its good for whoever came to Canada about 10 years ago and got house or investments. There is absolutely no way someone starting now or who started in last 3-4 years would get much far.
If you don't have enough money, stay in Canada for health protection. Compare Obama insurance with Canadian system, don't do private insurance. And I should say, with monthly mor than $1500 for a family (company pay the same at their part), we basically received the same or worse as Canadian public service. You complain your income in Canada, thanks god, still some doctors here to make Canada health care cheap.
 

meghashyam75

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Dec 20, 2015
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Hi guys,
Can someone advise if the electronic terminals at the kiosks can flag a person who is in breach of RO? I mean by not printing a receipt and directing you to an officer?
 

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Excuse me but older white Canadians are the only ones who spend winters abroad?!!! The majority of Canadians (caucasian or not) don’t spend all the winter abroad. I would also suggest looking at places like Surrey or Brampton during the winter and see how many seniors are in Asia. People going away for the summer is not limited to a certain populations. The large majority of seniors in Canada may go away for a week or two during the winter but have adapted to the winter weather.

Always love when people put Canada down but always insist on getting citizenship in this awful country.
During winter in Surrey or Brampton, how do you count how many senior are in Asia?
 

vikram100185

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Hi guys,
Can someone advise if the electronic terminals at the kiosks can flag a person who is in breach of RO? I mean by not printing a receipt and directing you to an officer?
I used the kiosk last year when I arrived in Canada and I was in breach of RO. It didn't flag anything. Printed a receipt
 

Ponga

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Hi guys,
Can someone advise if the electronic terminals at the kiosks can flag a person who is in breach of RO? I mean by not printing a receipt and directing you to an officer?
The PIK prints a receipt for everyone, but there are identifiers (for CBSA) on the receipt for those that will likely be sent to Secondary Inspection. Don't forget that sometimes people are selected at random for Secondary.

No idea if the PIK is saavy enough to determine if the PR is compliant with the Residency Obligation.