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Applying for renewal of PR 1095 days absent while accompaying citizen wife

ccolscorpion

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Nov 26, 2011
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Hi ..
I need help with applying for my PR card renewal.My card is expiring March 2017. I was outside of Canada for more than 3 years but my citizenship wife was residing with me while i was overseas. According to my understanding time spent outside CAnada while citizen wife accompanying you counts towards days spent in Canada for residency purpose.
My question is that how do i provide proof that my citizen wife was with me while i was outside Canada.
Also how would I answer question 19 about my address history. Do i have to provide the address of overseas country i was visiting with the exact time frame or I just have to provide the 5 years address details in Canada?

I request all to please help me on this and give me your valuable feedback as early as possible
 

dpenabill

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ccolscorpion said:
I need help with applying for my PR card renewal. My card is expiring March 2017. I was outside of Canada for more than 3 years but my citizenship wife was residing with me while i was overseas. According to my understanding time spent outside CAnada while citizen wife accompanying you counts towards days spent in Canada for residency purpose.
My question is that how do i provide proof that my citizen wife was with me while i was outside Canada.
Also how would I answer question 19 about my address history. Do i have to provide the address of overseas country i was visiting with the exact time frame or I just have to provide the 5 years address details in Canada?

I request all to please help me on this and give me your valuable feedback as early as possible[/b]

If you are living in Canada:

If you are currently physically in Canada AND permanently living in Canada, apply for a new PR card. Follow the instructions. They are not complicated.

Links to the document checklist, the application, and the instruction guide, can all be found online; see
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/prcard.asp

Question 19 is straight forward: list all addresses where you were actually living during the preceding five years. If the place you were actually living is in a country other than Canada, you still list that address and the dates you were living there.

This is about the address at which you were actually, physically living. Basically every month for the five years needs to be accounted for.

Responding any other way risks making a misrepresentation, with potential consequences which should need no elaboration.

The instructions for submitting proof of facts entitling you to a credit for time accompanying a Canadian citizen abroad are included in the Residency Obligation appendix, in the guide, listed under a heading titled: "Situation 1. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada"
see http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/guides/5445ETOC.asp#appendixA

Similar instructions are included in the guide for making a PR Travel Document application, although they are not as clear (they do not so clearly distinguish differences between accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse versus accompanying a Canadian PR meeting certain requirements).

In any event, the key is to prove:
-- genuine qualifying relationship (marriage certificate for example)
-- spouse's Canadian citizenship (copy of passport, which is necessary anyway, and either Canadian birth certificate or citizenship certificate; albeit the passport alone should ordinarily suffice)
-- living together, including specific dates of living together

Proof of actually living together varies depending on the circumstances. Typical proof of cohabitation works: documents showing that a certain address was occupied by each person respectively. Less proof than that required to prove cohabitation sufficient to establish a common-law relationship should suffice, but basically best to nonetheless submit objective documentation showing that each of you, respectively, lived at the same address during the specified period of time (the time you declare to have been living together at that address). This can range from rental agreements to utility bills, addresses listed in tax returns, on identification, and so on. Anything which shows your address, and the period of time it was your address, plus anything which shows your spouse's address and the period of time it was your spouse's address . . . showing you both were living at the same address at the same time.

My sense is that in most cases involving PRs accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse abroad, IRCC has no suspicions, no significant concerns, and a nominal amount of documentation supporting the claim about living together will suffice. But if there is something triggering questions or concerns, or suspicions, more might be expected; for example, obviously the citizen-spouse's passport should reflect time abroad consistent with the spouse living with the PR abroad, and if there is something which hints the spouse may not have been abroad with the PR as claimed, obviously that will elevate the scope and intensity of IRCC's scrutiny. In other words, most PRs in this situation have little to worry about, but for those PRs with some potential weakness in their case, they best make the effort to more solidly prove the facts entitling them to the credit.

For example: if there are significant periods of time during which it appears the PR and citizen might not have been living together, or if passport stamps suggest the PR and spouse were largely traveling separately, probably best to do a more thorough job proving the time that was spent living together.




If you are NOT currently living in Canada:

If you are currently outside Canada OR if you are not permanently settled and living in Canada, rather than applying for a new PR card you probably should apply for a PR Travel Document. Again, follow the instructions. They are not complicated.

If you continue to be abroad living with a Canadian citizen spouse, you should be able to obtain a multiple-entry PR Travel Document. These are typically valid for as long as your current passport is valid, up to a maximum of five years.

I am not sure how things work if you are entitled to a credit for accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse but, for whatever reason, are no longer living together with a Canadian citizen spouse. As long as the credit is enough to meet the PR Residency Obligation, you are entitled to retain PR status and be issued a PR TD. Whether or not a multiple-entry PR TD would be issued in this situation, I do not know. My guess, odds are no, just a single entry PR TD.
 

ccolscorpion

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Nov 26, 2011
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Thank you dpenabill for your detailed reply. I am currently in Canada and live in Caledon Ontario. Just wanted to know what Visa office deals with Caledon resident application.
Also This is the second time I am renewing my PR. I'll be going to Fanshaw college London in Jan 17. Do u think it would make any difference if i give London, Ontario address or all local CIC offices deal the application same way. Also using a Immigration lawyer helps or no. Your reply will be much appreciated.

Best regards,
 

umairfood1

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Aug 25, 2013
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I need to renew my PR card after i arrive back in canada next month. I am currently living with my Canadian spouse in Pakistan since more than 4 years. I understand my time with spouse will be counted as residence time. However, we have filed taxes in previous years as residential in Canada. I have following questions:

1- What proof i can attach while applying for renewal to show my cohabitation with my Candian spouse in Pakistan? She is housewife and doesn't do any job.
2- Will the taxes filed by both of us as residential in Canada in last years, have any effect on my applications?
3- How much time it could take me to get card when staying in canada after next month?

Waiting for any kind response please
 

YVR123

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I need to renew my PR card after i arrive back in canada next month. I am currently living with my Canadian spouse in Pakistan since more than 4 years. I understand my time with spouse will be counted as residence time. However, we have filed taxes in previous years as residential in Canada. I have following questions:

1- What proof i can attach while applying for renewal to show my cohabitation with my Candian spouse in Pakistan? She is housewife and doesn't do any job.
2- Will the taxes filed by both of us as residential in Canada in last years, have any effect on my applications?
3- How much time it could take me to get card when staying in canada after next month?

Waiting for any kind response please
1. Then how do you proof that you are accompanying your citizen spouse. She doesn't need to move to Pakistan to be a housewife and you left Canada to accomodate her.
2. No
3. You may not get approved. BTW do you still have a valid PR card or PRTD to travel back? Even if they coun the time you accomodate your wife overseas, it will not be a routine renewal application. It will take a few months if not longer. However most recent straight forward cases are done pretty fast (if they stayed in Canada and meet RO being physically here). Some are less than a month.

Good thing is that your wife is a citizen. So worst case, she can sponsor you again when you are ready to really move back to Canada.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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I need to renew my PR card after i arrive back in canada next month. I am currently living with my Canadian spouse in Pakistan since more than 4 years. I understand my time with spouse will be counted as residence time. However, we have filed taxes in previous years as residential in Canada. I have following questions:

1- What proof i can attach while applying for renewal to show my cohabitation with my Candian spouse in Pakistan? She is housewife and doesn't do any job.
2- Will the taxes filed by both of us as residential in Canada in last years, have any effect on my applications?
3- How much time it could take me to get card when staying in canada after next month?

Waiting for any kind response please
Foremost, in response to your questions in particular, if you make a PR card application, or an application for a PR Travel Document, follow the instructions in the Guide, in Appendix A, in the section for Situation B. Accompanying a Canadian citizen outside Canada. Guide for PR card application is here: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/application/application-forms-guides/guide-5445-applying-permanent-resident-card-card-first-application-replacement-renewal-change-gender-identifier.html#appendixA (guide for PR TD application is very similar). In addition to proof of spouse's Canadian citizenship and proof of marriage relationship, what is mostly needed is proof that both resided at the same address; that is, evidence showing you lived at the residential address where you have been living, and similarly evidence your spouse was living at that same address.

However, @YVR123 points to a potential problem.

In particular, given that it appears (based on other posts) your spouse was living in Canada until obtaining Canadian citizenship and then she moved outside Canada to live with you, and that while she has been a citizen you and her never lived together in Canada before relocating abroad, there is some risk IRCC might conclude you have not been "accompanying" your spouse abroad. That is, you might be in error in regards to "I understand my time with spouse will be counted as residence time." This is a complicated subject. Generally living together with a Canadian citizen spouse is enough (and I assume that is why you understand your time together "will be counted as residence time"). However, in SOME cases (what percentage of cases we do not know) where it is blatantly obvious the PR was living abroad and was joined there, abroad, by their Canadian citizen spouse, IRCC can distinguish whether the PR and citizen went abroad together ("accompanying" in the GO with sense) rather than were just being with one another abroad.

This has typically been referred to as a who-accompanied-whom issue, and there is a thread here where this is discussed at length and in-depth. See https://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/threads/who-accompanied-whom-can-matter-for-prs-living-with-citizen-spouse-abroad-update.579860/

In practice, PRs relying on credit toward meeting their obligation to reside IN Canada based on the exception allowed PRs who accompany their Canadian citizen spouse abroad, do not need to submit evidence showing who accompanied whom when applying for a PR card or PR TD, and there is little sign that IRCC questions who accompanied whom in most cases. EXCEPT this issue does arise in SOME cases (again we have no clue in what percentage of cases), most notably in situations where it is blatantly obvious the PR was not living in Canada with their citizen spouse and did not go abroad WITH their citizen spouse. In a sense, it is more a question about whether the couple was accompanying one another, in going abroad, not so much who was accompanying whom.

It is near impossible to forecast if this will be a problem for you. It MIGHT be.

@YVR123 also points to other potential issues. You refer to making the PR card application after you "arrive back in canada next month." If you are not coming to stay, and particularly if you do not stay long after making the application, that increases the risk of non-routine processing, elevated scrutiny, and potentially things like requiring you to pick up the new PR card in person (assuming the application is approved and a new card is issued). Given the questions asked your spouse during the processing of her citizenship application, it appears likely your file could be flagged for elevated screening.

Whether your spouse is accompanying you in returning to Canada could be a significant factor . . . indeed, this could matter at the Port-of-Entry when you arrive. If traveling together that would reduce the risk that CBSA officials might ask questions about your compliance with the Residency Obligation.

If you are coming to stay, be sure to make the applications for things like provincial health care while your current PR card is still valid. And you may want to consider waiting a significant period, staying here for a good while, before making the PR card application.

2- Will the taxes filed by both of us as residential in Canada in last years, have any effect on my applications?

I suspect that @YVR123 is correct, no, hardly any anyway, even though generally filing tax returns in Canada is evidence of Canadian ties and that can be a factor in determining facts relevant to a Residency Determination. It appears clear you have NOT been residing in Canada these past four years (and for you before that, based on other posts) so tax filings cannot show you were actually residing in Canada. (I do not know, but it seems possible a stranger bureaucrat may look at this and suspect someone is trying to manipulate the appearance of things.)

3- How much time it could take me to get card when staying in canada after next month?

Last I looked, most PR card applications are not even opened for two months. Most will be approved promptly when opened, and thus many can anticipate actually receiving a new card in around three to four months after they apply. As @YVR123 notes, however, this scenario seems UNLIKELY for you.

It appears that some online applications are, perhaps, subject to automated decision-making which can result in an almost immediate approval followed by however long it takes to actually issue, print, and mail the new card (four or six week or so). This seems even LESS LIKELY for you . . . only applications which are triaged to be low complexity will be approved in this process, and since you are relying on an exception to the Residency Obligation there is probably little to no chance an online application by you will benefit from automated decision-making.

Overall, here too as @YVR123 observed, there is a substantial risk your PR card application will encounter non-routine processing resulting in a significantly longer timeline. Whether that amounts to a few weeks, or several months, or many months, is almost impossible to predict.