Why parents but not adult children?

[Regina]

Just curious.
Why IRPR does not allow to sponsor adult children of Canadian citizens and Landed Immigrants? CIC allow to sponsor old parents who are burden to Canadian health system but does not allow to sponsor young educated adults who (mostly ) will work in Canada and pay taxes?
Some logic is missing here, eh?

 

[CharlieD10]

Not necessarily. Adult children are expected to be self-sufficient and making their own decisions and own way in the world. They are not usually still their parents' responsibility, nor are they expected to be bound to their parents' decisions.

Elderly parents, on the other hand, are quite often the responsibility of their children, who are now expected to care for them, and quite often also to make legal decisions on their behalf.

 

[fprince]

Just curious.
Why IRPR does not allow to sponsor adult children of Canadian citizens and Landed Immigrants? CIC allow to sponsor old parents who are burden to Canadian health system but does not allow to sponsor young educated adults who (mostly ) will work in Canada and pay taxes?
Some logic is missing here, eh?

Don't you pay taxes?

 

[Regina]

Not necessarily. Adult children are expected to be self-sufficient and making their own decisions and own way in the world. They are not usually still their parents' responsibility, nor are they expected to be bound to their parents' decisions.

Elderly parents, on the other hand, are quite often the responsibility of their children, who are now expected to care for them, and quite often also to make legal decisions on their behalf.

Well, there is sense in your opinion about adult children. However, " to make legal decisions on behalf of sane parents" sounds doubtful.. CIC would not issue visas to parents with dementia (the only time when somebody else needs to make LEGAL decisions on their behalf.)

Don't you pay taxes?

To provide health services for your parents? I do even if I do not like that.

 

[fprince]

Well, there is sense in your opinion about adult children. However, " to make legal decisions on behalf of sane parents" sounds doubtful.. CIC would not issue visas to parents with dementia (the only time when somebody else needs to make LEGAL decisions on their behalf.)
To provide health services for your parents? I do even if I do not like that.

Sure.. don't get them a health card when your sponsor them ;D
its as simple as that, so you do not have to worry abt draining the health care which most immigrants dont use anyways ( like i have a stiff shoulders, i need to see a doc..i have rashes i need to see a doc..i have a headache i need to see a doc, ohh the doc is free so let me visit him...ever heard abt immigrants trying to see a doc for this? )
remove the working immigrants who pay THE SAME TAX as citizens....no economy, no free health care <period>
Remember we are paying for all the older canadian generation needs..liks social assistance, welfare, this BS. that BS....its ur tax money and mine which we will never claim as we work and that is why we came here.

Yes as AN IMMIGRANT you are entitled to your closest of all blood..mom and dad and the "not same blood " but wife!..
they can not send your bro/sis everyone to canada as they have their own life ..
FYI - I have a brother whom i cant sponsor as he is 20...

Remember you adopted this country, this country did not adopt you...

 

[canadianwoman]

The real reason is that young, adult children who are educated can apply through FSW or one of the economic classes. The family sponsorship process is really for people who would not qualify to immigrate on their own. The government wants to allow family reunification, so lets people sponsor their spouse or partner; it seems that the gov't is becoming less and less willing to let people sponsor their parents and grandparents, thus the increase in waiting time. The drain on the Canadian health care system is just too great - look at Australia, where they used to allow people to sponsor parents and grandparents, but where now almost none are let in, and the waiting period is over 10 years - unless the sponsor is willing to cover all health care costs.

 

[Regina]

Adult children are expected to be self-sufficient and making their own decisions and own way in the world. They are not usually still their parents' responsibility, nor are they expected to be bound to their parents' decisions.

The answer is incorrect. Quite a lot of provinces have immigration programs when you can sponsor your close relatives (!!). And look at the United States, they allow to sponsor adult children as well as siblings.
So , in "federal Canada" it is not about adult children "who have to make their own decisions". Then what is it about really? I am still guessing.

 

[scylla]

The answer is incorrect. Quite a lot of provinces have immigration programs when you can sponsor your close relatives (!!). And look at the United States, they allow to sponsor adult children as well as siblings.
So , in "federal Canada" it is not about adult children "who have to make their own decisions". Then what is it about really? I am still guessing.

The US does allow sibling sponsorship. However the wait times for sponsoring siblings are considerable. For countries with faster processing times, it's somewhere between the 10 to 12 year mark. For countries with slower processing times, I believe it's somewhere between 15 and 17 years (maybe as high as 20).

I think the answer to your question is that each country sets its own rules for immigration which try to strike a balance between family sponsorship and skilled worker immigration - and there isn't necessarily a definitive reason why one allows something and another doesn't. Each country has rules that are good and rules that are bad for those wishing to immigrate or sponsor their loved ones. And these rules have been slowly developed over years.

As you mentioned, the US allowed citizens to sponsor their siblings at the federal level - Canada doesn't.

On the other hand, in Canada, you can sponsor your spouse with no income. In the US, there's a minimum income you must be making to sponsor a spouse. So if you're out of work, forget about sponsoring your spouse - unless you can find a co-signer who's willing to sign a legally binding support agreement.

The US also classifies dependent children much differently than Canada. Let's say you want to sponsor your parents and your 7 year old brother. In Canada, you can include them in one application and sponsor them together. In the US, you can only sponsor your parents. Your 7 year old brother has to be left behind. Sure - he can be sponsored by you separately - but that will take somewhere between 10 and 17 years. Alternatively, your 7 year old brother can be sponsored by your parent. But not until they become citizens of the US. So either way, he's getting left behind for years.

Canada's rules aren't perfect. But the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

[locolynn]

Canada's rules aren't perfect. But the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Well said! +1 for you!

Lynn

 

[Regina]

Hm... Do I doubt that the rules are the rules? No.
I am asking WHY the rules are how they are in Canada for sponsoring one kind of adults ( parents) but not another kind of adults (adult children) .

 

[Regina]

Besides that you can sponsor your adult relatives and even friends through PNP in some provinces. So, why do not such "rules" exist in federal immigration?

 

[angelbrat]

I think you are asking the wrong people. Why not try asking your local MP or write to the Immigration Ministry.

I agree, the logic appears flawed but there must have been a reason at some point and I am sure if you read through all the immigration legal stuff you would find it.

I have no clue, myself but then I personally do not agree with sponsoring parents either. I think it is a drain on resources that could be redirected into more positive areas. That is my opinion only, of course.

 

[PMM]

Hi

I think you are asking the wrong people. Why not try asking your local MP or write to the Immigration Ministry.

I agree, the logic appears flawed but there must have been a reason at some point and I am sure if you read through all the immigration legal stuff you would find it.

I have no clue, myself but then I personally do not agree with sponsoring parents either. I think it is a drain on resources that could be redirected into more positive areas. That is my opinion only, of course.

1. An Adult sibling gets a 5 point bonus for relatives in Canada.
2. If adult siblings could be sponsored the same as spouses, without having any marketable skills that Canada wants, it would just drag down the economy. Someone would have to support the influx of people. That is why there is only 29 occupations on the skilled worker list.

 

[rjessome]

Besides that you can sponsor your adult relatives and even friends through PNP in some provinces. So, why do not such "rules" exist in federal immigration?

You can't sponsor your "friends" through any Provincial nominee program.

PMM's answer is correct. I would add to it that immigration is mainly an ECONOMIC program. You always have to think about money. The majority of PR visas issued each year are in the Economic classes who's purpose is to provide skills, education and investment in the Canadian economy so that it competes with the global economy. The provincial nominee programs that allow you to sponsor your family members are in place solely due to economic growth and the lack of people to fill jobs in those regions, not family reunification. And they are discretionary programs of the province. The family stream in any program can be stopped at the discretion of the province like it was in Alberta 2 years ago. It's also up to them whether or not they ever restart it. And not every province has it and each province that does can set it's own criteria.

A program of sponsoring other relatives would have to be fair if it was implemented on the federal level. For you to be able to sponsor a well-educated brother and your neighbour not to be able to sponsor their uneducated brother would be discriminatory under family reunification policy. The feds have to do it in an "all or nothing" fashion. So with the current point system, all applicants get the same number of points for having family in Canada, no matter how educated/uneducated and skilled/unskilled they are.

Family reunification is a compassionate program that has little to do with economic benefit. But a country runs on its economy.