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Whether they have conditional PR depends on when they applied and how long they were together at the point at which they applied. The change came in on 25 October 2012, so if they applied before that (even if PR was received after that) then it won't be conditional PR. If they applied after and don't meet the criteria, then it's conditional PR.

If it is conditional PR, then it will say very clearly on the COPR forms that it's Conditional PR that's been granted. If the COPR form doesn't say anything about Conditional PR then it's "full" PR (or unconditional PR, I suppose).

The COPR form will clear up the question quickly.
 
Sounds like it's going to be a miserable life for you...er, I mean `your friend'.

What happens when (not if) this invisible burden becomes too much for her to handle? Will she still remember that she is financially responsible for him...especially if he's no longer the wonderful friend? Of course she will...and then, maybe....just maybe, she'll do the right thing.

With so many legitimate couples struggling to get their PR approved, there are thieves like this that expect some sort of sympathy, or advice, on how to best continue their scam.

Disgusting.
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
I found out that they have been together for more than 2 years before applying or when they're application was still in progress..... So would they be able to get around this rule?

https://ccrweb.ca/en/conditional-permanent-residence

"The change applies to spouses and partners who have been in a relationship with their sponsor for two years or less, and have no children with their sponsor at the time of the sponsorship application."

You need to read the official rules: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/manuals/bulletins/2012/ob480.asp#sec02.3
It's not just "dating" for 2 years before applying... you must have been married or already common-law for 2 years before applying.

Just check COPR document. It will state very clearly if condition 51 applies or not.
 
SchnookoLoly said:
Whether they have conditional PR depends on when they applied and how long they were together at the point at which they applied. The change came in on 25 October 2012, so if they applied before that (even if PR was received after that) then it won't be conditional PR. If they applied after and don't meet the criteria, then it's conditional PR.

If it is conditional PR, then it will say very clearly on the COPR forms that it's Conditional PR that's been granted. If the COPR form doesn't say anything about Conditional PR then it's "full" PR (or unconditional PR, I suppose).

The COPR form will clear up the question quickly.

Agreed. Let's see if the OP can manage to find that key piece of information.
 
Ponga said:
Sounds like it's going to be a miserable life for you...er, I mean `your friend'.

What happens when (not if) this invisible burden becomes too much for her to handle? Will she still remember that she is financially responsible for him...especially if he's no longer the wonderful friend? Of course she will...and then, maybe....just maybe, she'll do the right thing.

With so many legitimate couples struggling to get their PR approved, there are thieves like this that expect some sort of sympathy, or advice, on how to best continue their scam.

Disgusting.

I don't see nothing wrong with what they are trying to do, they have put the time in, they have been through the whole process of applying... Why shouldn't this guy be able to finally get his status here in Canada after they both worked and waited so hard for it.

She will never have to be financially looking after him as his family have more money than what they can handle so she's not needed.... There will NEVER be any issues between her and him
 
Ponga said:
Agreed. Let's see if the OP can manage to find that key piece of information.

If you have nothing to add to this thread you are not needed in it.

cant stand Negative people.
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
I don't see nothing wrong with what they are trying to do, they have put the time in, they have been through the whole process of applying... Why shouldn't this guy be able to finally get his status here in Canada after they both worked and waited so hard for it.

She will never have to be financially looking after him as his family have more money than what they can handle so she's not needed.... There will NEVER be any issues between her and him

You just don't get it, do you?

Just because you don't see what's wrong with what they are trying to do (blatant disregard for the conditions of his PR, if he really does have Condition 51), since "they have put the time in, they have been through the whole processes of applying, blah blah blah", doesn't mean that a person with average intelligence would agree.

Perhaps that's but one, of the myriad of reasons, why you have a rating here of +1/-102. Because you just don't get it.
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
If you have nothing to add to this thread you are not needed in it.

cant stand Negative people.

No problem. I've already wasted enough keystrokes on playing your ridiculous game of `Help me screw Canada'.
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
I don't see nothing wrong with what they are trying to do, they have put the time in, they have been through the whole process of applying... Why shouldn't this guy be able to finally get his status here in Canada after they both worked and waited so hard for it.

She will never have to be financially looking after him as his family have more money than what they can handle so she's not needed.... There will NEVER be any issues between her and him

"so she's not needed" ??? lovely....

I do not blame Ponga for their responses to you, considering some of the other posts you've made.

I can't imagine anyone on here would be all that eager to help someone commit fraud against the system when we all stuggle through doing things legit. It's like a kick in the face to hear about ppl cheating the system.

You don't "put in time" with someone to get admitted to Canada. Dating a Canadian is not just cause to gain permanent right to live here.... >:(
 
Jamesdavid3 said:
I don't see nothing wrong with what they are trying to do, they have put the time in, they have been through the whole process of applying... Why shouldn't this guy be able to finally get his status here in Canada after they both worked and waited so hard for it.

She will never have to be financially looking after him as his family have more money than what they can handle so she's not needed.... There will NEVER be any issues between her and him

Unfortunately that's not how it works. The point of applying under "Family class" is that you are, well, a family. However, Canada recognises that "sh*t happens" and sometimes people break up. However, there are too many issues with people pretending to be a family, then breaking up right afteR PR is granted, hence the conditional 2-year PR thing.

I think it's fair... if you stay together for 2 years after you get PR then you can stay permanently - by that time you would be established in Canada and may want to stay. However, if you break up shortly after you get PR then while it's true you may have been here awhile (as is your case), you don't really have the same strong ties that someone else may have, and you are no longer part of a Canadian family, so if you are able to stay on your own merits, then great, but if you're no longer a family then you don't get to benefit from the family class. It's that simple.

Yeah your "friend" may not screw over his (ex) girlfriend, but there are plenty of others who would - and who have.