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I am contacting an immigration lawyer tomorrow but was hoping I may get advice from someone who knows so i can get some sleep tonight!
My wife is a Canadian Citizen, i am British. We lived outside of Canada until 2009 when we landed. At this point I had not applied for my PR as we had originally intended to move onwards to the UK. Anyway plans changed and we decided to remain in Canada so submitted all the relevant forms. I received approval in principal, open work permit, OHIP etc etc in June 2010. Got a job, we bought a house. Thats the brief background. Now to the issue!

I have an ex-wife in the UK and two dependent children (at the time of application 17 and 14). Immigration stated that they MUST be included in my application even though they were not accompanying me to Canada or had no intentions to. I filled the relevant forms, was then advised that they had sent forms to my ex-wife from the London Visa office to complete for medicals to be arranged etc That was in May 2010. After a couple of months I made a follow up call with CIC who advised that everything had been approved in principal with my application and they were just waiting for the forms to be returned from the UK. I called the ex... She had 'lost them'. I made arrangements with the London Visa office to send out more. I also inquired at the time, :"What If?" The what if being... what if she doesn't send the forms in. I was told that the case officer had the discretion to waive this requirement. Second set of forms were sent out in August 2010. Persistent badgering over the next few months got me nowhere with the ex. She "couldn't find them", was "too busy", would "do them next week" etc etc. ( I do not believe she was deliberately not sending them off as I know she does have some large personal problems of her own going on). Anyway fast forward to March and I received a letter from CIC stating that my application for PR as a member of the spousal class has been refused and I must leave Canada by June 8th 2011 (the expiry of my current resident permit/work order). they cited the reason as:

Subsection 16(1) of the Immigration and refugee Protection Act states that a person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires. In your case you have not shown that you meet this requirement because you have not responded to our letters dated August 23 2010 and May 11 2010 and your overseas dependents have not complied with the instructions from the London Mission.
As a result of your failure in canot be established that you meet the requirements for PR as described in subsection 72(1). Your application is therefore refused.It then goes on to tell me I have to leave etc.

Two things here... I never received any letters they refer I believe to the ones sent to my ex. Second, what if they NEVER receive the required forms from her? My eldest is now of the age of majority so i have him completing and sending forms as we speak (too late?) but there is nothing I can do about my youngest as the ex has to complete them.
As i said I think the time for a lawyer has now come (was never in my wildest dreams expecting to have to use one). I just wanted know if anyone has been through a similar situation and what was the result. im just looking for a little peace of mind right now as its job house etc on the line. (thank god we delayed starting a family!)
 
I will repost here too so we do not lose the track

_696_ said:
The thing with non-accompanying dependants is that if they are not included AND not examined they forfeit the right of being sponsored in the future. For cases like yours where getting paperwork from ex wifey can be problematic for whatever reason, you can just opt to go ahead without even listing them but they forfeit that right.

Now I'm guessing from your post that you have applied inland and you do not have right to appeal, but to start over AND that'll have to be outland.

As for your present situation , the OWP will expire, so what's left is start making arrangements with your current employer for future LMO, WP. flagpole, etc.

Sorry to hear all this and sorry if I'm not much of help anyway, but stay calm and focused, there are far more experienced people whom I am sure will pop around before you see any lawyer and provide some good insights to lighten up your path.
 
696 Thanks for the help so far. I was aware of the non-accompanying clause but was told I MUST complete the forms. I would have appreciated at least a call or a letter saying "hey you're wife hasn't sent them in, youve got 30 days to respond or we will refuse your PR" rather than the "Refused. No appeal. Leave."
 
Yeah I know, that's crappy.

Now remember, any employer has the right to hire a foreign national as temporary worker so YOU MIGHT be able to stay as, at least a temporary worker.

Also, your current employer can sponsor you for PR as well. Right now imho you should start talking to your employer in regards to all this, explain the situation and see if s/he's willing to apply for the LMO so you can get a WP for your occupation at PO since you are from a TRV exempt country.
 
WP = Woprk Permit, LMO = Labour market opinion, for which the employer applies in order to get a "ok go ahead and hire a foreign national because there aren't any citizens/PRs available for the job" from there YOU apply for the WP with the LMO on your hands.

TRV = Temporary resident Visa, which you do not need being from a visa exempt country, what does this mean to you, that basically, if Human Resources Canada hands a positive LMO to your employer/prospective employer, you can then apply for the WP, and pick it at the PO = Port of Entry by crossing the border and coming back all in the same trip [People that need a visa need to return to their home coountries instead in order to apply for the WP].
 
Links of interest:

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/index.shtml

http://www.hrsdc.gc.ca/eng/workplaceskills/foreign_workers/stats/index.shtml

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/work/apply-who-eligible.asp#enter
 
Your older child is now filling out the forms for himself. Is there any way you could get him/her to assist you with getting the younger one's forms and medical?If your ex is really not refusing, just not getting around to it, maybe the older child could get the forms, get her to sign them, take the younger child to get the medical, and so on.
 
Yeah that might have worked, but if im not mistaken he cannot reapply inland.
 
canadianloafer said:
I am contacting an immigration lawyer tomorrow but was hoping I may get advice from someone who knows so i can get some sleep tonight!
My wife is a Canadian Citizen, i am British. We lived outside of Canada until 2009 when we landed. At this point I had not applied for my PR as we had originally intended to move onwards to the UK. Anyway plans changed and we decided to remain in Canada so submitted all the relevant forms. I received approval in principal, open work permit, OHIP etc etc in June 2010. Got a job, we bought a house. Thats the brief background. Now to the issue!

I have an ex-wife in the UK and two dependent children (at the time of application 17 and 14). Immigration stated that they MUST be included in my application even though they were not accompanying me to Canada or had no intentions to. I filled the relevant forms, was then advised that they had sent forms to my ex-wife from the London Visa office to complete for medicals to be arranged etc That was in May 2010. After a couple of months I made a follow up call with CIC who advised that everything had been approved in principal with my application and they were just waiting for the forms to be returned from the UK. I called the ex... She had 'lost them'. I made arrangements with the London Visa office to send out more. I also inquired at the time, :"What If?" The what if being... what if she doesn't send the forms in. I was told that the case officer had the discretion to waive this requirement. Second set of forms were sent out in August 2010. Persistent badgering over the next few months got me nowhere with the ex. She "couldn't find them", was "too busy", would "do them next week" etc etc. ( I do not believe she was deliberately not sending them off as I know she does have some large personal problems of her own going on). Anyway fast forward to March and I received a letter from CIC stating that my application for PR as a member of the spousal class has been refused and I must leave Canada by June 8th 2011 (the expiry of my current resident permit/work order). they cited the reason as:

Subsection 16(1) of the Immigration and refugee Protection Act states that a person who makes an application must answer truthfully all questions put to them for the purpose of the examination and must produce a visa and all relevant evidence and documents that the officer reasonably requires. In your case you have not shown that you meet this requirement because you have not responded to our letters dated August 23 2010 and May 11 2010 and your overseas dependents have not complied with the instructions from the London Mission.
As a result of your failure in canot be established that you meet the requirements for PR as described in subsection 72(1). Your application is therefore refused.It then goes on to tell me I have to leave etc.

Two things here... I never received any letters they refer I believe to the ones sent to my ex. Second, what if they NEVER receive the required forms from her? My eldest is now of the age of majority so i have him completing and sending forms as we speak (too late?) but there is nothing I can do about my youngest as the ex has to complete them.
As i said I think the time for a lawyer has now come (was never in my wildest dreams expecting to have to use one). I just wanted know if anyone has been through a similar situation and what was the result. im just looking for a little peace of mind right now as its job house etc on the line. (thank god we delayed starting a family!)

You are doing the right thing by going to a lawyer. He/she should immediately request a reconsideration of the program manager based on the information you stated, in that you DID communicate with CIC to follow up on the medicals for the children and that those letters were sent to your ex's residence in London. It is not YOU who did not comply. However, you may have to give up your right to ever sponsor your children to make this happen. CIC will only wait so long for stuff, no matter what personal problems your ex is having. Best of luck.
 
Guys, I have a question.

If my husband gets approved for an LMO, does he have to go to a port of entry to get his temporary work permit? We have applied inland and if he leaves Canada isin't there always a chance that they will not let him in.

Is this true? Is the only place he can get his temporary work permit outside of Canada at a port of entry?

My husband did come to Canada as a visitor and we just sent off our inland application to Vegreville last week. He does come from a Visa exempt country and he can also go in to the USA with no problems. The question that I have is, is Canada going to let him back in? Do we tell them that we are applying for permanent residency at the border when we cross in? Are they not going to ask us for his return ticket to his country?
 
angtao said:
Guys, I have a question.

If my husband gets approved for an LMO, does he have to go to a port of entry to get his temporary work permit? We have applied inland and if he leaves Canada isin't there always a chance that they will not let him in.

Is this true? Is the only place he can get his temporary work permit outside of Canada at a port of entry?

My husband did come to Canada as a visitor and we just sent off our inland application to Vegreville last week. He does come from a Visa exempt country and he can also go in to the USA with no problems. The question that I have is, is Canada going to let him back in? Do we tell them that we are applying for permanent residency at the border when we cross in? Are they not going to ask us for his return ticket to his country?

Answered in another thread. Please don't post everywhere.