Visa for person not wanting/needing to work

[Frenchie1971]

Hellos everyone,
I have big hopes that one of you may know of a visa allowing me and my minor daughter to live in Canada (preferably Ontario, but Quebec would maybe work too). I do not need nor wish to work there, do not have a family member in Canada for sponsorship, am not a refugee, not of retirement age as yet, don't want to invest in a business in Canada, so no visa seems to apply to me.
I however, will be able to be totally self sufficient, won't need my child enrolled in local schools, do have worldwide health coverage so won't expect free medical, and we do speak and write fluently both French and English. I don't think we will buy a house, at least this should not be in the requirements to move there. Maybe later on if we stay for a long time, but not right now.
I am sure such visa exists, as after all, we would greatly contribute to the Canadian economy anyway with our expenses, even if not with my labor skills. I already spent hours on all the obvious websites, made phone calls (usually only reaching voice mails which is not helpful), so pls don't suggest me to check the Canadian immigration website, as of course I had done so already.
Thank you to all!

 

[scylla]

There is no visa option that would simply allow you to live in Canada. Your choices are:

1) Temporary Work Permit: Requires you to have a full time job with a Canadian employer.
2) Study Permit: Requires you to be a full time student at a recognized institution in Canada.
3) Permanent Residency: Requires you to apply and be approved for PR through one of the immigration streams listed here: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/apply.asp

 

[bellaluna]

From what scylla had offered, here is a specific path you can take for #3, but it requires you to have had at least 1 year of work experience in the past 5 years and a bachelor's degree education equivalency, among other requirements:

http://www.ontarioimmigration.ca/en/pnp/OI_PNP_EE_FRENCH.html

So you can enter through a skilled worker stream (assuming you have had the experience), but you can do pretty much anything after you land.

 

[Frenchie1971]

bellaluna and scylla, thank you for your help and guidance.
since reading your posts last night, i researched it all.
looks like we are unlucky (to say the least), as one of the requirement for education would be to have study in a university. this is not my case (not common in switzerland). Though i had a very good education, I obtained a full diploma following an apprenticeship in a banking institution. that was three years of full time education in banking, but not in an university... am i right to consider our chances over? everything else was fine, though my "old" age of 45 wouldn't give me many points, but i would score highest in languages.
if i am right, i dont see the point to start the whole process as i will be denied.
It is a shame, but this is life.
I saw once something about a self sufficient visa for quebec. Do you know something about it? cannot find this info again.
Now, what do you think of coming and going on a visitor visa, while renting a house in either ontario or quebec? would you advise against? i am not intersted to do anything against the law. just want to live peacefully, in charge of my own expenses, and not have a heart attack at the immigration desk every time we travel. many thanks to you two, and to all willing to pitch in and help me

 

[Frenchie1971]

thinking about it, i also could apply for a visa for self employed. if i use it or not is another thing and wouldn't be illegal as long as i don't become a financial burden, and i certainly have the work experience as this is what i am currently doing now. But would i be expected to set up a company there as proof of my intentions (and maybe loads of admin and costs), and/or apply for a business license?
any input appreciated. meanwhile, i am still thinking about every options.

 

[mf4361]

thinking about it, i also could apply for a visa for self employed. if i use it or not is another thing and wouldn't be illegal as long as i don't become a financial burden, and i certainly have the work experience as this is what i am currently doing now. But would i be expected to set up a company there as proof of my intentions (and maybe loads of admin and costs), and/or apply for a business license?
any input appreciated. meanwhile, i am still thinking about every options.

The only way for self-employment immigration is through entrepreneur stream through PNP. (Federal one has closed)

For that you will need to bring in capital and set up business.

It doesn't matter if you are financially sustainable. The fact that Canada admits you as PR means Canada has to provide you social services of all kind (that includes things like water, power, garbage collection, roads, transport) which is a financial burden to the government.

 

[Frenchie1971]

The only way for self-employment immigration is through entrepreneur stream through PNP. (Federal one has closed)

For that you will need to bring in capital and set up business.

It doesn't matter if you are financially sustainable. The fact that Canada admits you as PR means Canada has to provide you social services of all kind (that includes things like water, power, garbage collection, roads, transport) which is a financial burden to the government.

thank you i guess this wont happen then, as per my comments above, I am not so sure i could get PNP, due to my education not being at university level. Its a shame canada doesnt offer a visa who would not allow entitlement to the items your mention above, for people with self sufficiency means. This would be great as ppl would contribute to the economy, without any burden on Canada and without being allow access to free stuff like health. i dont really have the willingness to invest into a brand new business now... i guess the last thing left would be a visitor visa, but how do i know i will not be denied entry by an officer? I would like advices about this particular one if anyone knows. I can provide proof of ownership where i currently live and am a citizen from, i could provide bank account statements for proof of financial means, and even if needed, book a flight ticket each time before going to canada. But would that work? I dont want to take risks while traveling back with my child and our five dogs. thx to all

 

[Frenchie1971]

The only way for self-employment immigration is through entrepreneur stream through PNP. (Federal one has closed)

For that you will need to bring in capital and set up business.

It doesn't matter if you are financially sustainable. The fact that Canada admits you as PR means Canada has to provide you social services of all kind (that includes things like water, power, garbage collection, roads, transport) which is a financial burden to the government.

is your reply also valid for quebec? many thanks

 

[mf4361]

is your reply also valid for quebec? many thanks

Not sure for Quebec, but at least Sask and NB has entrepreneur program

Check QSW website
https://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/en/immigrate-settle/permanent-workers/requirements-programs/index.html

 

[canuck_in_uk]

but how do i know i will not be denied entry by an officer? I would like advices about this particular one if anyone knows. I can provide proof of ownership where i currently live and am a citizen from, i could provide bank account statements for proof of financial means, and even if needed, book a flight ticket each time before going to canada. But would that work? I dont want to take risks while traveling back with my child and our five dogs. thx to all

You don't know that you won't be denied entry. Foreign nationals are not guaranteed entry. With proof of ties back home, proof of finances and just a few bags, you should be fine. However, showing up at the border with five dogs is not a good idea, as it is not typical visitor behaviour.

 

[Frenchie1971]

You don't know that you won't be denied entry. Foreign nationals are not guaranteed entry. With proof of ties back home, proof of finances and just a few bags, you should be fine. However, showing up at the border with five dogs is not a good idea, as it is not typical visitor behaviour.

Thank you so don't you have any retirees in Canada? As in foreigners retirees? If you do, how do they come in? Many thanks.

 

[Frenchie1971]

Anyone else has thoughts on bringing in five dogs in Canada on a visitor visa? As it can be approved for up to six months, wouldn't it sound normal to want to bring your pets with on an extended vacation? One of them is an ESA anyway and the four others are tiny. Thx for input. If that's a no, and there is no other way to enter based on our situation, we would have to forget about it, though it is, with the USA, the only country close to where we have established residence (apart for South America which is out of question). We would need this closeness as would frequently travel back and forth and my husband would often want come visit his family. Thx.

 

[scylla]

Anyone else has thoughts on bringing in five dogs in Canada on a visitor visa? As it can be approved for up to six months, wouldn't it sound normal to want to bring your pets with on an extended vacation? One of them is an ESA anyway and the four others are tiny. Thx for input. If that's a no, and there is no other way to enter based on our situation, we would have to forget about it, though it is, with the USA, the only country close to where we have established residence (apart for South America which is out of question). We would need this closeness as would frequently travel back and forth and my husband would often want come visit his family. Thx.

It's really impossible for any of us to guess what would happen at the border. However bringing five dogs would certainly be on the risky side and could certainly result in a refusal since bringing five dogs isn't typical visitor behaviour and the CBSA officer may be concerned you are attempting to live in Canada unauthorized. But again, impossible for any of us to say - you may be able to enter without issues even if you bring the dogs.

And just to add- if you need to be able to travel in and out of Canada frequently during those six months, I would say that complicates things significantly and most likely won't be possible. That's definitely the kind of behaviour CBSA will classify as resident behaviour (rather than tourist behaviour) and sooner or later they will tell you that you can't do it anymore. On the other hand, if you plan to enter Canada once and remain without leaving for six months - then it might work out. Again, hard to say.

 

[scylla]

Thank you so don't you have any retirees in Canada? As in foreigners retirees? If you do, how do they come in? Many thanks.

Foreign retirees may be individuals who immigrated later in life through an economic stream like skilled worker. They may be individuals who were sponsored through family class by their Canadian children. Or they may be individuals who are only visiting Canada and don't have temporary residence here (e.g. four months a year in Canada and 8 months in their home country). Canada is really no different than any other country in this regard. If you research immigration policies of other countries, you'll see that extremely few 1st world countries have retiree immigration classes. They all want workers.

 

[mf4361]

Anyone else has thoughts on bringing in five dogs in Canada on a visitor visa? As it can be approved for up to six months, wouldn't it sound normal to want to bring your pets with on an extended vacation? One of them is an ESA anyway and the four others are tiny. Thx for input. If that's a no, and there is no other way to enter based on our situation, we would have to forget about it, though it is, with the USA, the only country close to where we have established residence (apart for South America which is out of question). We would need this closeness as would frequently travel back and forth and my husband would often want come visit his family. Thx.

Bringing in dogs may require permission from the appropriate department of Government of Canada, do exams and tests etc. and prepare the correct paperwork. At the border, if you don't have those paperwork ready, CBSA people are likely to refuse your entry.

For retirees, Canada had historically been a popular destination for retirees. Usually from 1) visitor who happens to have a cottage here 2) parents of immigrants or citizens who sponsored them.

Not sure if it still viable for 2)