Vacations/Holidays while on Condition 51

[Jamesdavid3]

When I do get my PR which will also come with the Condition 51 rule i'm guessing... what can I do in terms of travelling on my own outside of Canada?

During the 2 year Condition 51 Period after getting my PR, I want to take Vacations, go home back to the UK to see family and friends for some weeks at a time and not having to worry about breaking some rule being away from my GF....

My GF who is the Sponsor cant come with me due to work commitments and other reasons so I shouldn't let that stop me from seeing friends and family during that Condition 51 stage....

What can I do, surely its okay?

 

[rhcohen2014]

short vacations are a normal part of life. CIC is not going to take away your PR because you go on trips without your sponsor. Even though no one *really* knows how Condition 51 is going to be tracked, the assumption is that you want to be careful about spending months and years away from your sponsor, not weeks. Living separate lives defeats the purpose of spousal sponsorship, so if 1 person moves away long term because they make a decision to travel, take a job or study in another country/city, then it's the other person's responsibility to go with them. CIC isn't going to go after every PR who takes vacations home or travel without their spouse. more likely than not, condition 51 will be used to PROTECT sponsors from fraud and relationship breakdowns. if you are in a legitimate long-term relationship, then there's absolutely no reason to stress about living a normal life because of conditin 51.

 

[screech339]

When I do get my PR which will also come with the Condition 51 rule i'm guessing... what can I do in terms of travelling on my own outside of Canada?

During the 2 year Condition 51 Period after getting my PR, I want to take Vacations, go home back to the UK to see family and friends for some weeks at a time and not having to worry about breaking some rule being away from my GF....

My GF who is the Sponsor cant come with me due to work commitments and other reasons so I shouldn't let that stop me from seeing friends and family during that Condition 51 stage....

What can I do, surely its okay?

I do believe you can go on vacation even for weeks at a time, say 4-5 weeks, even under conditional 51 clause. CSBA is not going to report you for violating the clause since as far as they are concerned you went on vacation. You are not moving back to England to live, work, or study. CIC is not going to go around checking every conditional 51. The only way CIC is going to get involved is if the sponsor actually informed CIC of the marriage/common law breakdown and report being separated.

Screech339

 

[Kayaker]

That said, CBSA Is aware of Condition 51, and it will be on your file in their system when you re-enter Canada. So if you've been away for not weeks but several months, the border agent May suspect you of violating Condition 51.

Doesn't happen terribly often, but CBSA does sometimes enforce CIC's rules. Recently here there was someone who tried to land in Canada as a new PR, with his COPR in hand. CBSA took away his PR because the agent suspected the applicant and his wife were not really relocating to Canada. It doesn't happen often, but CBSA was doing what it was supposed to do. So yeah, you might want to think twice about taking an 8-month vacation or something. Not saying that that's what you were planning to do.

 

[Jamesdavid3]

Ok if anything during the year I will go away on 1 or 2 week trips so It will not be long at all but my only worry was just coming back into Canada afterwards.

 

[keesio]

It's fine. My wife has Condition 51 and she has traveled back to see family on her own a few times. I would say keep the trip under a month and you should have no trouble.

 

[screech339]

Ok if anything during the year I will go away on 1 or 2 week trips so It will not be long at all but my only worry was just coming back into Canada afterwards.

You will be fine. No worries.

 

[taffy7]

Just for reference keep a journal of the times you are out of the country. You will need these dates later, if you decide to go for citizenship .

 

[screech339]

Just for reference keep a journal of the times you are out of the country. You will need these dates later, if you decide to go for citizenship .

Writing a journal isn't proof of when he left Canada. He will need to keep official records, like plane tickets or insists the British Border Agent to stamp his entrance in his passport, etc etc. Canada doesn't track people leaving so he need to show proof of when he actually left Canada. Tracking his entrance in Canada is easy. CBSA records it. It's the exit records that's hard to gather.

Screech339

 

[taffy7]

Writing a journal isn't proof of when he left Canada. He will need to keep official records, like plane tickets or insists the British Border Agent to stamp his entrance in his passport, etc etc. Canada doesn't track people leaving so he need to show proof of when he actually left Canada. Tracking his entrance in Canada is easy. CBSA records it. It's the exit records that's hard to gather.

Screech339

It was a long time ago when i got my citizenship, and i didn't have to prove anything. I just had to add up the days i was out of the country . Your right i should have advised the Op to keep official records. I stand corrected.

 

[screech339]

It was a long time ago when i got my citizenship, and i didn't have to prove anything. I just had to add up the days i was out of the country . Your right i should have advised the Op to keep official records. I stand corrected.

You may have gotten your citizenship a long time ago, a time when RQs were not issued, a time when getting citizenship was easy to get, despite lack of physical proofs of being in Canada.

 

[Ponga]

Writing a journal isn't proof of when he left Canada. He will need to keep official records, like plane tickets or insists the British Border Agent to stamp his entrance in his passport, etc etc. Canada doesn't track people leaving so he need to show proof of when he actually left Canada. Tracking his entrance in Canada is easy. CBSA records it. It's the exit records that's hard to gather.

Screech339

I believe that CBSA does in fact track those exiting Canada. It was part of the `Beyond the Border' program, where Canada and the U.S. track everyone now exiting their respective countries...including citizens.

 

[truesmile]

I believe that CBSA does in fact track those exiting Canada. It was part of the `Beyond the Border' program, where Canada and the U.S. track everyone now exiting their respective countries...including citizens.

Using what mechanism? I don't swipe my passport at any machine, nor hand it to an officer of any sort who does. It's true, the US 'wants' Canada to do so, but we're not there yet.

 

[screech339]

I believe that CBSA does in fact track those exiting Canada. It was part of the `Beyond the Border' program, where Canada and the U.S. track everyone now exiting their respective countries...including citizens.

Well yes, Canada and US are now sharing exit/entrance controls for non-Canadians/Americans. Are they now sharing Canadian/American tracking records, perhaps.

However the OP is talking about going home to England for visits. So he would have to compile records for proof of exit dates.

Screech339

 

[Ponga]

Using what mechanism? I don't swipe my passport at any machine, nor hand it to an officer of any sort who does. It's true, the US 'wants' Canada to do so, but we're not there yet.

Perhaps from a passenger manifest from the airline (where you likely do present your passport)?