Skilled worker seems difficult now - Seeking an alternative
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Yes, landing before baby is saying ok, here we are, we got our visas as a couple with no kids and we are still a couple with no kids. Landing after the baby is born is saying we got our visas as a couple with no kids but haha, we have a baby back home we are not telling you about but we will sneak it in later 
One of the reasons they see it as fraud is because when you sponsor a spouse or kids later, they are excempt from the excessive demand on healthcare so that is why they require that you list your spouse and kids on your initial application so they can have a medical. If you ended up having a baby with medical problems, adding the baby to your file could actually disqualify you from immigrating.
One of the reasons they see it as fraud is because when you sponsor a spouse or kids later, they are excempt from the excessive demand on healthcare so that is why they require that you list your spouse and kids on your initial application so they can have a medical. If you ended up having a baby with medical problems, adding the baby to your file could actually disqualify you from immigrating.
Ok, seems pretty clear and logical...
So, assuming they accept me (otherwise this is moot..), if I send out the application this month, it is extremely probable that everything will be finished before the baby is born (maybe even before my wife's pregnant, or at most a couple of months of the pregnanc), in which case we both go and do the landing, and then can come back? Or do we HAVE to be in Canada when the baby's born to add/sponsor him? (Or does that not matter since we would already have the PR status after having landed).
So, assuming they accept me (otherwise this is moot..), if I send out the application this month, it is extremely probable that everything will be finished before the baby is born (maybe even before my wife's pregnant, or at most a couple of months of the pregnanc), in which case we both go and do the landing, and then can come back? Or do we HAVE to be in Canada when the baby's born to add/sponsor him? (Or does that not matter since we would already have the PR status after having landed).
You can do the landing before the baby is born and then go back, have the baby and when you want to move to Canada, bring the baby with you on visit status and sponsor it for PR after you have arrived.
If you are from a country where you need a visa to enter Canada, you might have a problem getting a visa for the baby so one of you might have to go and sponsor the baby and the other stay in old country with the baby and wait until the sponsorship comes through.
If you decided to have the baby in Canada, there would be no need to sponsor because the baby would get Canadian citizenship at birth.
If you are from a country where you need a visa to enter Canada, you might have a problem getting a visa for the baby so one of you might have to go and sponsor the baby and the other stay in old country with the baby and wait until the sponsorship comes through.
If you decided to have the baby in Canada, there would be no need to sponsor because the baby would get Canadian citizenship at birth.
Hey Leon! Still there? 
I finally managed to get:
1) The copy of the resolution from the university where it stands that I was appointed assistant teacher in 2006
2) A personal letter signed by the head of the department certifying I was in fact assistant teacher and detailing the tasks I carried out (all of which are detailed under NOC 4131)
Even though from what I've read I don't have to send this with my first preliminary application, now that I'm sure I have them I think I'll take a shot at applying...
A few doubts:
- Do you know (or a good link or something) how I can find out the exact equivalent of my degree? I've asked around but get mixed responses...
Here in my country we don't have the term "Bachelor" and "Masters"... My degree was obtained after 7 years elementary school, 5 years of High School, and then the university where you go study for this degree which takes 5 years. So 17 years in total. The title is "Information Systems Engineer". What would be my best bet to put down on the application?
- Regarding the language proficiency, I've read somewhere that cases where they consider letters instead of tests without a problem, are for example cases where you actually live abroad. Since that is my case, do you think I'd be ok doing that? (My case is I went to Canada when I was 8, stayed for 4 years untill I was 12, did grades 3,4,5 & 6 in canadian schools, and have no problem whatsoever reading, writing, understanding, speaking, etc.). Could I maybe write a letter and also send copies of my landing paper/report cards/whatever? In any case, I don't have to send any of this on the initial application anyway from what I read.
- When you find some discrepancies between the guide and the form, which is it recommended to follow?? (For example, one thing I can think of, off the top of my head is the part that asks if you are or were, affiliated with any organizations, where the guide tells you to put doen "I have not been affilliated with any organization...." and the form just tells you to enter "NONE" if you aren't....
Thanks!!!
I finally managed to get:
1) The copy of the resolution from the university where it stands that I was appointed assistant teacher in 2006
2) A personal letter signed by the head of the department certifying I was in fact assistant teacher and detailing the tasks I carried out (all of which are detailed under NOC 4131)
Even though from what I've read I don't have to send this with my first preliminary application, now that I'm sure I have them I think I'll take a shot at applying...
A few doubts:
- Do you know (or a good link or something) how I can find out the exact equivalent of my degree? I've asked around but get mixed responses...
Here in my country we don't have the term "Bachelor" and "Masters"... My degree was obtained after 7 years elementary school, 5 years of High School, and then the university where you go study for this degree which takes 5 years. So 17 years in total. The title is "Information Systems Engineer". What would be my best bet to put down on the application?
- Regarding the language proficiency, I've read somewhere that cases where they consider letters instead of tests without a problem, are for example cases where you actually live abroad. Since that is my case, do you think I'd be ok doing that? (My case is I went to Canada when I was 8, stayed for 4 years untill I was 12, did grades 3,4,5 & 6 in canadian schools, and have no problem whatsoever reading, writing, understanding, speaking, etc.). Could I maybe write a letter and also send copies of my landing paper/report cards/whatever? In any case, I don't have to send any of this on the initial application anyway from what I read.
- When you find some discrepancies between the guide and the form, which is it recommended to follow?? (For example, one thing I can think of, off the top of my head is the part that asks if you are or were, affiliated with any organizations, where the guide tells you to put doen "I have not been affilliated with any organization...." and the form just tells you to enter "NONE" if you aren't....
Thanks!!!
I would call it a Masters.
For language proficiency, you are advised to take the IELTS unless English is your mother tongue. If it is not, you risk that the IO will give you whatever points they see fit instead of how many you need or are asking for.
When in doubt, go by the form.
For language proficiency, you are advised to take the IELTS unless English is your mother tongue. If it is not, you risk that the IO will give you whatever points they see fit instead of how many you need or are asking for.
When in doubt, go by the form.
Thanks for your help as always!!
I'm really in doubt about the language thing... I mean even though it isn't my native tongue, having been there so little it practically is (on all my current visits to the US, everyone always tells me I have 0 accent and sound american...), and I know the level I have... however, like you say, I don't know what they'll decide (or how they go about doing it). Do they just assign you what they feel like? or have an interview with you, or at that point maybe they say "no, you still need to supply an exam result for us"... ?
I'm really in doubt about the language thing... I mean even though it isn't my native tongue, having been there so little it practically is (on all my current visits to the US, everyone always tells me I have 0 accent and sound american...), and I know the level I have... however, like you say, I don't know what they'll decide (or how they go about doing it). Do they just assign you what they feel like? or have an interview with you, or at that point maybe they say "no, you still need to supply an exam result for us"... ?
No, they can actually give you whatever points they want if you send them a letter without giving you the chance to take a test. IELTS is the only thing they can't disagree with. I have heard of somebody who was raised in the US with English as a first language but had a non-English sounding name and she was given 0 points for English proficiency because she didn't do IELTS. She applied again with IELTS and got through. It's your risk to take if you decide to do a letter. Personally, I'd do the IELTS.
So yeah, you may speak perfect English and have 0 accent and a very high level but they don't know that. Everybody who writes a letter will say that. The reason they are asking for IELTS now is probably because they have had too many people speak volumes of their English proficiency turn out to not have any.
So yeah, you may speak perfect English and have 0 accent and a very high level but they don't know that. Everybody who writes a letter will say that. The reason they are asking for IELTS now is probably because they have had too many people speak volumes of their English proficiency turn out to not have any.
Oh well... I guess I'll fork up the dough and take the stupid test then... 
What happens if I don't take it right now and "estimate" the level in my initial application? When the time comes to submit all papers (test included) do they just adjust your points based on the test, or can you get in trouble??
What happens if I don't take it right now and "estimate" the level in my initial application? When the time comes to submit all papers (test included) do they just adjust your points based on the test, or can you get in trouble??
Great, that's good to know... So I can just send my initial application right away, and then go for the test.
Do you have any idea how long they're taking (approx.) from the moment they receive the initial application to the time you're first called from the local visa office?
Do you have any idea how long they're taking (approx.) from the moment they receive the initial application to the time you're first called from the local visa office?
If you look at http://www.trackitt.com/canada-immigration-trackers/federal-skilled-workers you can get some idea. You can narrow it down by visa office.
Normally I would advise to take the test before you apply to be sure of how many points you get but I don't think you will have a problem.
Normally I would advise to take the test before you apply to be sure of how many points you get but I don't think you will have a problem.
Great, didn't know about that one.. Just went and registered. Can't get much info, as there are only 3 cases shown for my local visa office (Buenos Aires) and 2 of them are very recent, and the 3rd falls in-between the "chaos period"....
I'm gonna brush up on the guide again and start completing the forms and see what happens..
I'm gonna brush up on the guide again and start completing the forms and see what happens..