Require urgent answer for converting from outland to inland - appeal

[meandmyson]

My wife had submitted my sponsorship application (Outland) on 5th July 2013. Now the situation has come that I need to travel to Canada through Work Permit in August for 6 months (until February 2014). Can you please help me answer below as am confused on what to do, whether to travel to Canada (travelling to Canada through work permit from my company is no option and is mandatory) or stay in India and then get the visa stamped and travel?

Can you please provide your answers urgently as I might need to let my decision know to my manager on travelling please,


1. Should I go for an appeal for Inland Processing before the application is approved or should I wait until it is been approved and they request for Passport to be sent?
2. If it is yes for either one of the above case depending on when I can go for the appeal, can you please let me know how long the appeal process would take?
3. If I go for an appeal, will they request for my passport after the application has been approved and will they keep the PP for too long for VISA stamping?
4. Or will they request for the pp, after some duration, since we go for an appeal? If so, tentatively when would they would request the pp from the date of appeal?
5. Since my wp is valid only till December will they take this into consideration and is there a chance that they could process it quick through inland? Because I might need to travel back to India if my pp is held with them.
6. If they request pp through inland, How long it would take for the visa stamping.

thanks in advance!!

 

[frege]

My wife had submitted my sponsorship application (Outland) on 5th July 2013. Now the situation has come that I need to travel to Canada through Work Permit in August for 6 months (until February 2014). Can you please help me answer below as am confused on what to do, whether to travel to Canada (travelling to Canada through work permit from my company is no option and is mandatory) or stay in India and then get the visa stamped and travel?

Can you please provide your answers urgently as I might need to let my decision know to my manager on travelling please,


1. Should I go for an appeal for Inland Processing before the application is approved or should I wait until it is been approved and they request for Passport to be sent?
2. If it is yes for either one of the above case depending on when I can go for the appeal, can you please let me know how long the appeal process would take?
3. If I go for an appeal, will they request for my passport after the application has been approved and will they keep the PP for too long for VISA stamping?
4. Or will they request for the pp, after some duration, since we go for an appeal? If so, tentatively when would they would request the pp from the date of appeal?
5. Since my wp is valid only till December will they take this into consideration and is there a chance that they could process it quick through inland? Because I might need to travel back to India if my pp is held with them.
6. If they request pp through inland, How long it would take for the visa stamping.

thanks in advance!!

I don't think you're really talking about an "appeal", which is what you do when you contest a decision made by the government. You're probably talking about an "application". Correct me if I'm wrong about this.

I don't understand your situation perfectly.

Here is some information that may be useful:

You are permitted to withdraw your outland application, and resubmit an inland application, once you live in Canada *with your spouse*. You should only submit an inland application if you plan to live in Canada with your wife from the time you submit the application until the application is approved, probably about 14 months after you apply. If for any reason you left Canada, even for vacation, and were not allowed back in, you would lose your inland application. You would be likely to be refused re-entry if your work permit expired before you received permanent residence. (I may be wrong about this - it might only be a problem if your work permit expired before you received approval in principle, which would probably be about 6 months after you apply.)

An outland application through New Delhi should be processed in about 11 months. You are allowed to continue an outland application even if you live in Canada. For an outland application, there are no restrictions on whether you live inside or outside Canada.

I may be misunderstanding things, but from what you've written, an outland application seems more advantageous, since you may need to travel back to India during your application, and wait times at the New Delhi office are not long.

On the other hand, I don't know what the procedures are at the New Delhi office about retaining passports. I think you should post this question in the New Delhi thread for 2103 applicants. It is possible - and here I'm only guessing - that if you demonstrate to the New Delhi office that you have a need to travel, they will keep your passport for a shorter time.

 

[frege]

According to this thread, the New Delhi office normally retains your passport for 1 to 2 months just before issuing the permanent resident visa.

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/-t17679.0.html

 

[Sweden]

My wife had submitted my sponsorship application (Outland) on 5th July 2013. Now the situation has come that I need to travel to Canada through Work Permit in August for 6 months (until February 2014). Can you please help me answer below as am confused on what to do, whether to travel to Canada (travelling to Canada through work permit from my company is no option and is mandatory) or stay in India and then get the visa stamped and travel?

Can you please provide your answers urgently as I might need to let my decision know to my manager on travelling please,
1. Should I go for an appeal for Inland Processing before the application is approved or should I wait until it is been approved and they request for Passport to be sent?
2. If it is yes for either one of the above case depending on when I can go for the appeal, can you please let me know how long the appeal process would take?
3. If I go for an appeal, will they request for my passport after the application has been approved and will they keep the PP for too long for VISA stamping?
4. Or will they request for the pp, after some duration, since we go for an appeal? If so, tentatively when would they would request the pp from the date of appeal?
5. Since my wp is valid only till December will they take this into consideration and is there a chance that they could process it quick through inland? Because I might need to travel back to India if my pp is held with them.
6. If they request pp through inland, How long it would take for the visa stamping.

thanks in advance!!

I think you're confusing a few things. So - you can have an outland application and be present in Canada, it's not an issue. If you withdraw your application and apply inland instead, they will not expedite the request, and you will be required to stay in Canada for the duration of the process (even for family events etc.) Inland is currently a 14 months process, but might be longer.

If you have a work permit, then go to Canada. Keep the outland application process on-going, it takes a while.
Once you have done the first stage, then they will send your file to New Delhi. New Delhi will request your passport quite early in the process, it's true. But you can also explain your situation. So once ND requests your passport at the beginning of the process, respond to them, and explain that you're currently in Canada on a work permit at your company's request (and of course add the documents to prove that), and let them know when you will be back in India. Tell them that you will submit your passport as soon as you're back in India.

Since ND has a waiting time of about 11 months, and there is 1 month for stage 1, you might be back in India before they are ready to issue your visa. Then it won't be an issue for you, as you will be back.

The important thing is to communicate to CIC your situation once you're asked for the passport, so they know that you're not ignoring them, and you have a valid reason to be outside of India and not be able to submit your passport.

Good luck,
Sweden

 

[meandmyson]

How about this?

Once I reach Canada on Work Permit and when NDVO requests for Passport:

1. I will courier it from Canada to NDVO. (Prior to getting PR, my wife was in India and had courierd her passport to Canada. CIC stamped it and courierd it back to her in India)
2. Also, I will inform NDVO that am in Canada on work permit and hence sending it by courier from there.
3. Once PP is stamped, I will get it couriered back to Canada by someone and hence my work will not be affected and parallely I can get VISA stamped for PR.

Please let me know if the above is logical.

Apart from the above I have couple of questions:

1. When I am in Canada and NDVO requests for Passport, can't I directly send it to CIC, since I am there.
2. Is there a number to call CIC?

Regards

 

[scylla]

It's illegal to send passports by either mail or courier in India. If your wife was able to do this - she is extremely lucky. Do not try this yourself.

To get your passport from Canada to India and back you have two options: (1) travel back to India yourself to deliver the passport; (2) have a friend or family member who is traveling from Canada to India take the passport with them (you should provide this person with a letter authorizing them to carry your passport).

You must send your passport to the visa office handling your application (in your case this is NDVO). No - you cannot send your passport for stamping to an office in Canada.

 

[frege]

Meandmyson,

Since your problem seems to centre mostly on passport issues, I'd like to reiterate that you'll get the most useful answers from the New Delhi threads.

2013: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-delhi-2013-applicants-t132103.0.html

2012: http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/new-delhi-2012-applicants-t109821.0.html

 

[meandmyson]

Hello Sweden and Frege,

we are stuck in a new problem not knowing what to do.

CIC had sent our applications back saying that we need the latest tax assessment form. I requested for one and waited for 10 days and sent them back the . After 20 days again they sent back asking 2012 assessment forms.

Unfortunately my employer sent out my T4 in April which never came due to some address issue or not sure. Then I requested for one which came later in June. I somehow delayed filing tax in this sponsorship thing and never filed it until last week (on aug 23th).

when I called up CRA, they mentioned that we are not seeing your assessment yet, as it might take them several weeks to assess your tax filing.
They mentioned that it might take 2 weeks or even later.

1. do I need to wait until another 2 weeks and call them to check if it's been assessed. Again wait for 2 weeks to get the assessment after requesting.
2. Or can I send them the applications back telling all this reasons. If, I do so am worried that they will send it back again requesting for one. (which will be just back and forth) which I don't want to do (play with the applications sending back and forth)
3. If he travel canada even before out application is approved, will it affect our out land and should we change it to inland which is so long.

We thought it will approved in another one month (when applied during July) and between this process my husband would travel here through his work permit and as Sweden mentioned out land process would go on parallel.
But CIC has sent the applications back, it is not even approved, and now my husband's employer has asked him to travel next week to Canada.

I don't even want to say my husband to not to come here. I am worried about this PR as well that when to apply if we keep waiting for this assessment keeping the docs with us.

Can anyone please help if we can send out the applications giving the reasons that it is not assessed yet at-least before my husband travels here on work permit???
or wait and send the assessment forms along and then submit the applications with the 2012 assessment forms irrespective of my husband's presence here.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee help !!!!

 

[frege]

Hello Sweden and Frege,

we are stuck in a new problem not knowing what to do.

CIC had sent our applications back saying that we need the latest tax assessment form. I requested for one and waited for 10 days and sent them back the . After 20 days again they sent back asking 2012 assessment forms.

Unfortunately my employer sent out my T4 in April which never came due to some address issue or not sure. Then I requested for one which came later in June. I somehow delayed filing tax in this sponsorship thing and never filed it until last week (on aug 23th).

when I called up CRA, they mentioned that we are not seeing your assessment yet, as it might take them several weeks to assess your tax filing.
They mentioned that it might take 2 weeks or even later.

1. do I need to wait until another 2 weeks and call them to check if it's been assessed. Again wait for 2 weeks to get the assessment after requesting.
2. Or can I send them the applications back telling all this reasons. If, I do so am worried that they will send it back again requesting for one. (which will be just back and forth) which I don't want to do (play with the applications sending back and forth)
3. If he travel canada even before out application is approved, will it affect our out land and should we change it to inland which is so long.

We thought it will approved in another one month (when applied during July) and between this process my husband would travel here through his work permit and as Sweden mentioned out land process would go on parallel.
But CIC has sent the applications back, it is not even approved, and now my husband's employer has asked him to travel next week to Canada.

I don't even want to say my husband to not to come here. I am worried about this PR as well that when to apply if we keep waiting for this assessment keeping the docs with us.

Can anyone please help if we can send out the applications giving the reasons that it is not assessed yet at-least before my husband travels here on work permit???
or wait and send the assessment forms along and then submit the applications with the 2012 assessment forms irrespective of my husband's presence here.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee help !!!!

I understand that it was your husband who wrote above, and you are the Canadian wife (or the PR wife).

Since your husband has to travel a lot, it sounds like an outland application is better, particularly since processing times are not too long in New Delhi.

In your application, did you include an explanation of why you weren't including the tax forms? The checklist says:

If you do not provide this printout, provide an explanation on a separate sheet of paper.

 

[meandmyson]

Hi Frege,

This thought of giving an explanation in the separate sheet of paper of why the 2012 option c was not incuded came to my mind on Monday itself - but then thought of waiting until I get it, thinking that they might again send it back asking it.

So shall I give an explanation and put a copy of tax T4 form and submit tomorrow? will they again not send back asking again taht they need it?

Thanks in advance..

 

[frege]

Hi Frege,

This thought of giving an explanation in the separate sheet of paper of why the 2012 option c was not incuded came to my mind on Monday itself - but then thought of waiting until I get it, thinking that they might again send it back asking it.

So shall I give an explanation and put a copy of tax T4 form and submit tomorrow? will they again not send back asking again taht they need it?

Thanks in advance..

I'm not certain what the answer is. In this situation, I would call CIC to ask, if nobody else on the forum knows for sure.

It seems possible that it would be accepted, at least initially, that you give the explanation that you haven't received it yet. But I'm not sure of this.

 

[little_apple]

We sent our application in April and included Option C printouts for 2010 an 2011 and added a short explanation that we couldn't send the one for 2012 because CRA hasn't finished his tax return yet. Sponsorship was approved without any further questions.

 

[meandmyson]

Thanks a lot Frege and little_apple for your responses.

 

[gongdi]

The important thing is to communicate to CIC your situation once you're asked for the passport, ....

How do you communicate with them???? They never return e-mails and when they do, it's an automated response about the strike. They never answer the phone. When you approach the processing office, the guy in the window will not give you any information. ???