Private School (Master) Recognition for CRS - quick help

[mauro80]

Hello everyone,
I'm from Europe/Italy.
After high school I attended University (5years). After University I attended a Private Master in Marketing and Business Analytic enterprise (1year of study).
Now... WES has recognized my university Degree with the equivalence of Master's Degree.

As you know under Section C2 of CRS that statement is clear:

1 Post Secondary degree AND 2years of Canadian Work experience = 25 points
2 Post Secondary degree AND 2years of Canadian Work Experience = 50 points (yummy)

I need to understand if, and how (eventually) I can get recognized my Private Master attendance. I do have a certificate from the institute.
This is the Private School official website http://www.accademiadicomunicazione.org/
This is the Entity in Italy that recognize the quality and the validation of the school: http://www.asfor.it/
This is the International Insititute that recognize ASFOR and other International Business School as equal: https://www.efmd.org/business-schools/equal/members
This is a Canadian Entity in the very same list from EFMD along with ASFOR http://www.cfbsd.ca/

Now, before you tell me to ask WES I can tell you that the person(s) that I spoke with could barely understand my request.
They keep on asking to upgrade my existing Reference as I want to upgrade my Master'd Degree which is not my case.
I simply need my Private School to be recognized but they don't seem to be very helpful.

What should I do here ?
Simply upload in Express Entry all the document from my Private School along with a lot of webpages that are comparing the quality of the institute ?
EFMD can't help. Should I ask canadian cfbsd.ca ?
What is the procedure in these cases ?

I'm sure I'm not the only one in the world that did attend a private master school after University.
Just to clarify: this is not a 2k online 3 months webinar. It was a 15k$ Master Class (with mandatory 80% attendnace, exams and commission) and is very well renew and considered in Italy. To be fair I got more work knowledge from 1 year there than 5 years in National University (don't tell CiC ).

Any help much appreciated

 

[mauro80]

Anyone ?

So meanwhile I have reached out to www.cfbsd.ca/ I spoke with a guy in Montreal that is actually a member of Asfor and perfectly knows my school.
He didn't know exactly what is the procedure here...
Also I investigated and my school is recognized by Regione Lombardia which is the National Governament of the Region Lombardia in Italy.

If anyone knows how to help me here I would really appreciate it, these 25 points can make the difference to me.

Thank you

 

[Pippin]

I can't answer your question but what did WES comment about your 1 yr programme when you sent it for evaluation?

 

[mauro80]

hi,
Thanks for your reply.

I didn't send anything to WES yet. Simply because I don't even know what to send and how.
For National University it was pretty clear. They wanted the certificate in english along with the exams results and that was pretty easy to obtain.

For my private Master I don't know. They mention something in their website but it is not clear.
In my opinion my Master should at least be considered as:

One-year degree, diploma or certificate from a program at a university, college, trade or technical school, or other institute
more specific it should be either:

One-year Post-secondary certificate with a focus in [area of concentration]
One-year certificate

But again...
Do these title needs to be National Education at all costs ? Most country have private entities and Business school that do not fall under national education classification.
In any case Regione Lombardia eventually recognize my school, so what would I have to send to WES ?

 

[mauro80]

up
anyone can help ?
I'm sure there is someone in this world that did a Master School private non in Canada.

 

[mauro80]

hi everyone,
WES does not reply to me by mail. WES does not answer calls.
I'm still navigating in this sea of uncertainty. I don't know if I'm making it bigger than it is, but If I don't know what to send I won't get those precious 25 points.

This is what I'm planning to do.
Ask the Institute to provide:

- the Certificate in English
- The docuemtation of ISO 6540 UNI EN ISO9001/2008
- ASFOR Certification
- ESMD equivalency
- Regione Lombardia (Italian Region Governament) Certification

Along with that I will include supporting material of the course, ratecard, program, classes etc.

Guys, would that be enough ? What else should I do ?
I just need WES to evaluate this as ANY 1 year post secondary Degree, don't care which. This will trigger 2 post secondary and I should get 50points.

Can anyone advise ?

 

[Sluffy]

Hello everyone,
I'm from Europe/Italy.
After high school I attended University (5years). After University I attended a Private Master in Marketing and Business Analytic enterprise (1year of study).
Now... WES has recognized my university Degree with the equivalence of Master's Degree

Your first University education was recognized as Barchelor's and Master's degree - right?
You have 2 post secondary degrees already (Barchelor's and Master's) and 2 years of canadian experience - that's 50 points

You do not need to evaluate the second Master's

Check your score to make sure
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/immigrate/skilled/crs-tool.asp

 

[mauro80]

You are raising a very good point and I wish it didn't come out, because this could add/cause complication...
So...
In Italy most univesities are divided in 2 courses. 3years (call Specialist Bachelor) and 2 years (Magistral Bachelor).
You can do the first 3 year and you get Bachelor Degree (my wife did 3 years and WES recognized it as 3 years Bachelor Degree).
In order to to the Second 2 year program (Magistral) you MUST have done the first 3 year. It is a further Specialization.
It is a continuing class but its like a complete separate course as well.
Now...
I did the 3 year AND the 2.
I sent to WES the whole 5 years program and they did recognize it as Master's Degree.

YES...
I thought about sending the 2 title separately but I was told it doesn't work like that. At the end of the day the Magistral Bachelor is 1 title and not 2.
Do I also have the Bachelor degree ? YES and NO. I mean I did the 3 year before the 2 year specialization... but technically I upgraded that class into the Magistral Bachelor.

I thought about asking the university to send them separately but once again I don't know what is the story here.
The Master degree they recognized me is (probably) leveraging the results of both 3+2. I don't know...

So confused...

 

[Sluffy]

You are raising a very good point and I wish it didn't come out, because this could add/cause complication...
So...
In Italy most univesities are divided in 2 courses. 3years (call Specialist Bachelor) and 2 years (Magistral Bachelor).
You can do the first 3 year and you get Bachelor Degree (my wife did 3 years and WES recognized it as 3 years Bachelor Degree).
In order to to the Second 2 year program (Magistral) you MUST have done the first 3 year. It is a further Specialization.
It is a continuing class but its like a complete separate course as well.
Now...
I did the 3 year AND the 2.
I sent to WES the whole 5 years program and they did recognize it as Master's Degree.

YES...
I thought about sending the 2 title separately but I was told it doesn't work like that. At the end of the day the Magistral Bachelor is 1 title and not 2.
Do I also have the Bachelor degree ? YES and NO. I mean I did the 3 year before the 2 year specialization... but technically I upgraded that class into the Magistral Bachelor.

I thought about asking the university to send them separately but once again I don't know what is the story here.
The Master degree they recognized me is (probably) leveraging the results of both 3+2. I don't know...

So confused...

Mate, you are overthinking. What is told in your report?
WES recognized it as two degrees - as the most of European 5 years studies. Same goes for ex-USSR - that's how people get the score. We didn't have any Barchelor's or Masters till some date - and everyone got Master's just because of 5 years of studies. That's why it's called equivalence - they don't care about technical details, they tell you how your studies are equivalent to canadian's.

By the way, if you even did sent it separately, they would give you Barchelor's and Master's.
When creating EE profile you're stating your highest recognized degree - it's Master's, and when sending your docs after ITA, you will need to upload this report (or give the number) and copy of your diploma. CIC cares of what is stated in report. That's two degrees.
Moreover, if your second school is not in a recognized list of WES, they will evaluate it as from 'non-recognized institution' and CIC will not accept it.

 

[mauro80]

WES recognized the whole 5 years package as Master's degree.
I do not know what was inside the envelope. Either the list of of the 3 years (+3 year certificate) or the 2 (+2year certificate). Or all together.

Case 1: They saw the 2 title and they decided to recognize the highest, the 2 year post Bachelor and they granted me the Master's Degree.
Case 2: There was JUST the value of the 2yrs program and they recognized me as Master's Degree.
Case 3: there was everything and they recognized these as 1 and not as 2.

I can ask my university to send the 3 year bachelor degree with no issue.

Would this solve the problem ?

I know I'm overthinking it but it's not clear.

 

[Sluffy]

Have you received your report from WES yet?
What is written in the last line of the body - Canadian equivalency?
Have you tried CRS calculator mentioned above?
Is there difference if you choose 2 degrees or just Master's?

 

[mauro80]

Hi Sluffy,
All the document of my university career 3+2 has been sent to WES. WES result for canadian equivalency is: Master's Degree.
The certificate has arrived, I already have that. Under CRS it scores 135 points.

Now I'm thinking...
What if I sent the 3 years first, and then the 2 years after.
In this case I would have had The Master AND the Bachelor degree ? So 2 post secondary ? Or it is still one ?
So under section Education I would score: Master's degree as the highest.
Under section C i would have 2+ Secondary degree. The bachelor AND the Master.

The whole point here is to understand whether my title is considered 1 or 2 title.
You certainly can stop after 3 years if you want, so you get 1.
We need to understand if the specialization one, the 2 years that you do after do qualify as a Second separate thing or not.
Again, you cannot attend the 2 years part if you didn't complete the first. But at all effect it is a second course.

There are 25 points here i really need to figure it out.

Could you please also clarify this ?
"Moreover, if your second school is not in a recognized list of WES, they will evaluate it as from 'non-recognized institution' and CIC will not accept it."

 

[Sluffy]

You didn't get my point about CRS. Don't go to scores section, they are a bit confusing, go to calculator. If you enter Masters, will it give you 50 points in the grand total? It should. Because I've received extra points by choosing Masters. Master's is the second cycle of studies and usually requires Barchelor or equivalent to be completed first, so it's two degrees.




What you may do is to contact WES and ask them to re-issue the report based on the documents you'd sent them before. They would never give you Masters if they don't recognize your Barchelor', they would report it as "two year diploma or degree" or smith like this / there were such cases in the forum. But they gave you Master's, so they believe you have Barchelor as well.

 

[mauro80]

ok this makes a lot of sense, and thank you very much for clarify.
No I didn't create my account in CiC yet, and I haven't checked if the Master automatically scores as it they were 2 degree.
What you say makes sense because you can't do the Master if you didn't do the Bachelor.

I believe WES doesn't know about the 2 post secondary thing.

In any case I assume the whole procedure will require to me to indicate the Bachelor at a certain points isn't it ?

 

[mauro80]

You didn't get my point about CRS. Don't go to scores section, they are a bit confusing, go to calculator.

sorry where is that ?

the one you do here in Canadavisa or somewhere in cic ?