PR refusal

[Lae]

.Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar at the University of Waterloo from November 2023 to the lock-in date
(January 18, 2025) under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
Regarding your employment at the University of Waterloo, you submitted a letter of employment that included
job duties. After reviewing the job duties declared and comparing them with the duties outlined in National
Occupational Classification list, I am not satisfied, on a balance of probabilities, that you performed the duties as
described in the lead statement/main duties for your employment as a “Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar”, as set
out in the occupational description under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
.The job duties in the employment letter focus on research related to hydrogen pathways and emissions. While
the research component is referenced, there is no indication of teaching, lecturing, or student supervision.
Because NOC 41200 is intended for university professors and lecturers, this position does not fully meet the
expectations for that classification under the CEC requirements.

However.I submitted the letter from human resources stated my NOC code and it is cleary show postdoc fellow is NOC 41200. ith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
12/09/2024
To whom it may concern,
This letter verifies the employment of xxxxwith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
Xxxx is employed with the University from 11/15/2023 to 11/14/2025 as a full time employee working 35 hours per
week and is earning a monthly salary of $4,291.67. What should I do ? Please help?

 

[canuck78]

.Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar at the University of Waterloo from November 2023 to the lock-in date
(January 18, 2025) under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
Regarding your employment at the University of Waterloo, you submitted a letter of employment that included
job duties. After reviewing the job duties declared and comparing them with the duties outlined in National
Occupational Classification list, I am not satisfied, on a balance of probabilities, that you performed the duties as
described in the lead statement/main duties for your employment as a “Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar”, as set
out in the occupational description under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
.The job duties in the employment letter focus on research related to hydrogen pathways and emissions. While
the research component is referenced, there is no indication of teaching, lecturing, or student supervision.
Because NOC 41200 is intended for university professors and lecturers, this position does not fully meet the
expectations for that classification under the CEC requirements.

However.I submitted the letter from human resources stated my NOC code and it is cleary show postdoc fellow is NOC 41200. ith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
12/09/2024
To whom it may concern,
This letter verifies the employment of xxxxwith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
Xxxx is employed with the University from 11/15/2023 to 11/14/2025 as a full time employee working 35 hours per
week and is earning a monthly salary of $4,291.67. What should I do ? Please help?

The primary job duties of a post doc fellow are rarely uni prof and lecturer. Would assume it would be research. Did you even teach your own class? Some post docs teach but many are TAs.

 

[Lae]

NOC code is 41200 for post dc

 

[canuck78]

NOC code is 41200 for post dc

Not guaranteed. Many would primarily be research jobs so a different NOC.

 

[Lae]

41200 - University professors and lecturers​

University professors and lecturers teach courses to undergraduate and graduate students and conduct research at universities. University professors who are heads of departments are included in this unit group.

• Illustrative example(s)
  
  • botany assistant professor - university
  • computer science professor - university
  • engineering instructor - university
  • English professor - university
  • food sciences department chairperson - university
  • French language professor - university
  • geography department head - university
  • lecturer - university
  • linguistics associate professor
  • physics department chairperson - university
  • professor of medicine - university
  • university professor
    All examples
• Inclusion(s)
  
  • postdoctoral fellow
  • teacher - teacher's college

 

[canuck78]

41200 - University professors and lecturers​

University professors and lecturers teach courses to undergraduate and graduate students and conduct research at universities. University professors who are heads of departments are included in this unit group.

• Illustrative example(s)
  
  • botany assistant professor - university
  • computer science professor - university
  • engineering instructor - university
  • English professor - university
  • food sciences department chairperson - university
  • French language professor - university
  • geography department head - university
  • lecturer - university
  • linguistics associate professor
  • physics department chairperson - university
  • professor of medicine - university
  • university professor
    All examples
• Inclusion(s)
  
  • postdoctoral fellow
  • teacher - teacher's college

Did you teach a course at uni? Was that a large portion of your job duties? There is a good chance you fall under research not this NOC.

 

[Lae]

Not guaranteed. Many would primarily be research jobs so a different NOC.

But this NOC was writteh by human resource and in offer letter. They told me they can t change it.

Did you teach a course at uni? Was that a large portion of your job duties? There is a good chance you fall under research not this NOC.

I do mainly research and in my offer letter:

For immigration purposes you will be considered NOC/TEER 41200 Postdoctoral Fellow, Work


Permit required and Labour Market Impact Assessment (LMIA) exempt under C44 of the


Immigration and Refugee Protection Regulations (IRPR). Proof of PhD & IMM5802 submission must


be provided when applying for immigration documentation.

 

[Naturgrl]

The lead statement - University professors and lecturers teach courses to undergraduate and graduate students and conduct research at universities.

Were you a a lecturer or not? There is an AND of teach and research. You need to meet ant least 70% of the duties listed.

This group performs some or all of the following duties:

• Teach one or more university subjects to undergraduate and graduate students
• Prepare and deliver lectures to students and conduct laboratory sessions or discussion groups
• Prepare, administer and grade examinations, laboratory assignments and reports
• Advise students on course and academic matters and career decisions
• Direct research programs of graduate students and advise on research matters
• Conduct research in field of specialization and publish findings in scholarly journals or books
• May serve on faculty committees dealing with such matters as curriculum planning and degree requirements, and perform a variety of administrative duties
• May represent their universities as speakers and guest lecturers
• May provide professional consultative services to government, industry and private individuals.

 

[Lae]

I understand that but is possible to change your NOC code , because in job letter is 41200

 

[canuck78]

I understand that but is possible to change your NOC code , because in job letter is 41200

You have no option it needs to change since your job duties don’t match the NOC.

 

[Naturgrl]

I understand that but is possible to change your NOC code , because in job letter is 41200

Your current job letter doesn't match the NOC but the university must reissue new letter. This may not help your PR refusal as you used the wrong NOC in the first place. Also the median wage for the NOC in Waterloo region is $64 and low wage is $28. You aren't even meeting the low wage for the NOC so lucky that wasn't included in the refusal too.

 

[Copingwithlife]

That’s

.Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar at the University of Waterloo from November 2023 to the lock-in date
(January 18, 2025) under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
Regarding your employment at the University of Waterloo, you submitted a letter of employment that included
job duties. After reviewing the job duties declared and comparing them with the duties outlined in National
Occupational Classification list, I am not satisfied, on a balance of probabilities, that you performed the duties as
described in the lead statement/main duties for your employment as a “Full-Time Post Doctoral Scholar”, as set
out in the occupational description under NOC 41200 (University Professors and Lecturers).
.The job duties in the employment letter focus on research related to hydrogen pathways and emissions. While
the research component is referenced, there is no indication of teaching, lecturing, or student supervision.
Because NOC 41200 is intended for university professors and lecturers, this position does not fully meet the
expectations for that classification under the CEC requirements.

However.I submitted the letter from human resources stated my NOC code and it is cleary show postdoc fellow is NOC 41200. ith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
12/09/2024
To whom it may concern,
This letter verifies the employment of xxxxwith the University of Waterloo in the role of Postdoctoral Scholar
(International) in the department of Mechanical and Mechatronics Engineering.
The Canadian NOC Code ascribed to Postdoctoral Scholar (International) is 41200 - University professors and lecturers
(Canadian National Occupation Codes (NOC)-Canada)
Xxxx is employed with the University from 11/15/2023 to 11/14/2025 as a full time employee working 35 hours per
week and is earning a monthly salary of $4,291.67. What should I do ? Please help?

That’s your wage ?

That’s very low . Like very low .

 

[Naturgrl]

That’s

That’s your wage ?

That’s very low . Like very low .

$4200 per month is about $24 per hour. For that NOC is crazy! Not even close to median wage. U of W is underpaying staff. Gets away with it because it is U of W.

 

[canuck78]

$4200 per month is about $24 per hour. For that NOC is crazy! Not even close to median wage. U of W is underpaying staff. Gets away with it because it is U of W.

Fairly normal for post docs. Most post docs wouldn’t fall under this NOC though.