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rahul00

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Our PR expired has expired in 2010. But now we want to settle in canada. when we first arrived we lived there for 4 months and came back.

I am UK citizen and have booked the ticked to US in dec and want to enter Canada with the expired PR card.

I have my following card of Canada ( which are expired)

1) bank account statement
2) Social Security number
3) Health Card
4) Landing Paper
5) Expired PR card

It is suggest by my friend that I should enter Canada on UK passport without informing them that I have expired PR card and then stay for two years. Is this suggestion correct.

Please Help me by your suggestion.
 
You asked this question two months ago and it was answered in detail. I would recommend you revisit your old thread before creating a new one:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/expired-pr-card-and-uk-passport-t349751.0.html;msg4641911#msg4641911
 
Yes correct I ask about 1 month back. But still I cannot decide what to do. Please help me in making decision

Thanks
 
Be honest. Answers the questions they ask you.

They will want to know why you are coming to Canada. If they go through your possessions, they will know why you are returning anyway. Full disclosure is the way to go.

Since you have been away longer than 7 days, some of your goods can follow separately. Legally, you will need to declare all items (and that means all) items acquired since you last left - this includes things like cell phones, computers, clothing, household goods, etc. If you declare your items that are coming separately, you can save on the duty (and fees) that shipping companies charge you (and the fees they add on top of that, for the "loan" when they pay the duty for you.)
 
rahul00 said:
It is suggest by my friend that I should enter Canada on UK passport without informing them that I have expired PR card and then stay for two years. Is this suggestion correct.

You need to declare yourself as a PR when you try to enter. When your try to use the kiosk or the officer sees your card, it will be known that you have an expired card. The officer may or may not let you in without reporting you. I don't know about the kiosk. It might send you directly to secondary inspection
 
rahul00 said:
Yes correct I ask about 1 month back. But still I cannot decide what to do. Please help me in making decision

Thanks

Scylla's response refers to your original thread on this issue. In that same thread you respond as to your decision below!

rahul00 said:
Hi all

What I got from the discussion is

1. I should take a risk with my UK passport and enter Canada without showing my expired PR card and all will be good if I am lucky
2. If I am unlucky, they will give me some document in writing and then my PR will be revoked and I have to leave Canada in some sepificed time.


I think I should take risk and enter Canada


Thanks

So you already decided what do so what's the issue now? Unfortunately no one can decide if you should relocate to Canada or remain in the UK. It's a personal decision you have to make. Figure out why you came to Canada in the first place, why you left, why you want to come back and compare that with the options if you remain in the UK, We don't know your personal circumstances or what you have planned for your life. You may be better off talking to your family on this. Remember though the RO issue isn't going away - come March 15, 2016 when eTA become mandatory it may be too late to enter without a risk of report.
 
Thanks for the reply. I will entry Canada as pr and will answer all the question truly and correctly.
Can someone tell me what they will ask. I will surely enter Canada before 31st dec before law changes.

Thanks
 
Hi all,

I have entered Canada, showing my PR card at the point of entry

1) the officer gave be a letter of subsection 44-1 that I have not meet residency obligation.
2) when I spoke to his supervisor, he took my interview for 1 and half hours. And let me go in. He said That he is going to look into my case and inform me in next 2-3 days my post. I told him all truth and gave him all the paperwork.

I have not received any post, but I checked my status online in website. It say application for the permanent residency card is received and is in process.

Can someone explain me what this mean and how much time it is going to take

I am confused and do not know what to do

Thanks
 
Hi


rahul00 said:
Hi all,

I have entered Canada, showing my PR card at the point of entry

1) the officer gave be a letter of subsection 44-1 that I have not meet residency obligation.
2) when I spoke to his supervisor, he took my interview for 1 and half hours. And let me go in. He said That he is going to look into my case and inform me in next 2-3 days my post. I told him all truth and gave him all the paperwork.

I have not received any post, but I checked my status online in website. It say application for the permanent residency card is received and is in process.

Can someone explain me what this mean and how much time it is going to take

I am confused and do not know what to do

Thanks

1. IMHO you should expect to be reported for not meeting your PR obligations. You should receive a copy of the report and your appeal rights.
 
rahul00 said:
Hi all,

I have entered Canada, showing my PR card at the point of entry

1) the officer gave be a letter of subsection 44-1 that I have not meet residency obligation.
2) when I spoke to his supervisor, he took my interview for 1 and half hours. And let me go in. He said That he is going to look into my case and inform me in next 2-3 days my post. I told him all truth and gave him all the paperwork.

I have not received any post, but I checked my status online in website. It say application for the permanent residency card is received and is in process.

Can someone explain me what this mean and how much time it is going to take

I am confused and do not know what to do

Thanks

You have been reported as inadmissible due to a breach of the PR Residency Requirement. That is what the section 44(1) report is about.

It was referred to the "supervisor" to determine whether a Removal Order will be issued. The supervisor is acting as the Minister's delegate.

If the Removal Order is issued, as it seems likely it will be (albeit the fact the supervisor did not issue it immediately and, in effect, took it under advisement, offers some hope it might not be issued), you will have thirty days to appeal. If you appeal, you can remain in Canada pending the appeal. If you appeal, the Removal Order does not become "enforceable" unless and until the appeal is decided against you or it is withdrawn. Or, it becomes enforceable after thirty days if no appeal is made.

It is likely you will know the outcome soon, that is whether or not a Removal Order is issued, but it is also possible that rather than issue a Removal Order, the 44(1) report is referred to a local Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship office for further processing.

If no Removal Order is issued pursuant to a decision based on H&C grounds, allowing you to retain PR status, your PR status is OK. Probably better to not apply for a new PR card for two years, but I am not sure whether or not technically the H&C decision is binding on Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship, and if so you should be issued a new PR card upon application.

If no Removal Order is issued but the Report is referred to a local Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship office, it may be some time before the next step. In the meantime, though, your time in Canada will not count toward meeting the PR RO.

If a Removal Order is issued, and you do not appeal, your PR status will be effectively terminated as of the next day after the last day you could have made the appeal. You would then be a Foreign National. Assuming you are a UK citizen you could then come and go as any other UK visitor unless you apply for and obtain other status.

If a Removal Order is issued and you do appeal, again the time you are in Canada now will not count toward meeting the PR RO. The appeal could take from many months to more than a year. Pending the appeal you remain a PR of Canada.

If you appeal the Removal Order and lose, PR status is terminated and you would then be a Foreign National, returning you to the same position as any other UK citizen.

Better to obtain the assistance of a licensed legal professional for the appeal. If you win the appeal, your PR status is retained and then the time you have been spending in Canada will count toward compliance with the PR RO.

Obviously, winning the appeal depends on the strength of your H&C grounds. Hard to see how you could win this.

Your best hope is that the "supervisor," the Minister's delegate, makes a determination to not issue a Removal Order. Odds of that are probably not good, but that depends on a lot of variables and factors, including current policies at CBSA and Immigration, Refugees, and Citizenship. Outright generous, let alone lenient decisions are possible. Probably not likely, but possible.
 
rahul00 said:
I have not received any post, but I checked my status online in website. It say application for the permanent residency card is received and is in process.

Do you mean you already applied to renew your PR card immediately after arriving in Canada? If this is the case then no matter what the CBSA officer does, the PR renewal application will trigger an automatic residency obligation investigation anyways. So either way you can expect to eventually receive a notice of your RO not being met, and you'll need to appeal.

When people not meeting RO come back to Canada without using a travel document, they are supposed to stay here for 2 straight years without leaving, and only then apply for PR card renewal after coming back into compliance with the RO.
 
Hi

Sorry, I think I have not explained properly, I have not applied anywhere, according to the supervisor I should have received a letter from him last wed or Thursday, but did not received any. Then I have put my file number online. Then I got the message saying that my PR card application is in process.


I do not know who has applied for me

Thanks