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Hi there! I am just in the process of renewing my permanent residency and had a question I can't seem to find an answer to;

For the past 5 years I've been in Singapore with my husband (Canadian) who is under contract to work here. Do I count those days as 0.5?

For the application I've listed all travel - and obviously have been outside of Canada for the majority of the past 5 years - am I still eligible?

Thanks!
 
You count the days that you spent outside of Canada with your husband as a full day (i.e. 1 day) towards your PR residency requirement. Not 0.5 day.
 
Thanks. I started a document way back in 2013 and had a field that said (count as 0.5) - Hmm. Maybe the rules changed - but this is good news. Hopefully this will be ok - I'd hate to go through all this again!
 
Hi there! I am just in the process of renewing my permanent residency and had a question I can't seem to find an answer to;

For the past 5 years I've been in Singapore with my husband (Canadian) who is under contract to work here. Do I count those days as 0.5?

For the application I've listed all travel - and obviously have been outside of Canada for the majority of the past 5 years - am I still eligible?

Thanks!

If you are still living abroad, IRCC prefers a PR in your situation to apply for a PR Travel Document in order to travel to Canada. IRCC currently is issuing a multiple entry PR TD to at least some PRs in a similar situation.

Better to not apply for a new PR card unless and until you have relocated to Canada.

Read instructions for BOTH PR card application and PR TD application. Credit for accompanying a spouse who is a Canadian citizen is clearly explained.

I assume you meant you are in the process of renewing your PR card, but to be clear, there is no need or process to renew permanent residency. Once you are a PR you remain a PR unless and until that status is terminated. A PR card is more or less like a passport, more than, say, a drivers license (citizenship does NOT expire when a passport expires; license to drive does expire if it is not renewed).


Some further observations:

Many PRs in a similar situation are tempted to fudge some information about their residential address in order to facilitate their application for a new PR card. Not worth it. If you are not actually living in Canada, better to apply for a PR Travel Document.

Remember to read and follow the instructions carefully when applying for a PR Travel Document. To get the credit for accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse it is imperative to submit:
-- proof of relationship (marriage certificate best)
-- proof of cohabiting (living together)
-- proof that spouse is a Canadian citizen
-- copy of Canadian citizen's passport (in addition to the PR's passports of course)
 
Thanks so much! I had no idea that if the card expires it doesn't mean you lose your PR status. Interesting.

I contacted the Canadian embassy here in Singapore and they actually said I should renew my PR card despite me saying I am working and living in Singapore and outlined your thoughts on the issue of the address question.

So I think I'll go for the PRTD and use that and then when I actually have a Canadian address again apply for the card.

I wonder how many PRTD I can have if, say, I don't go back for 10 years? Hmm.
 
If you are still living abroad, IRCC prefers a PR in your situation to apply for a PR Travel Document in order to travel to Canada. IRCC currently is issuing a multiple entry PR TD to at least some PRs in a similar situation.

Better to not apply for a new PR card unless and until you have relocated to Canada.

Read instructions for BOTH PR card application and PR TD application. Credit for accompanying a spouse who is a Canadian citizen is clearly explained.

I assume you meant you are in the process of renewing your PR card, but to be clear, there is no need or process to renew permanent residency. Once you are a PR you remain a PR unless and until that status is terminated. A PR card is more or less like a passport, more than, say, a drivers license (citizenship does NOT expire when a passport expires; license to drive does expire if it is not renewed).


Some further observations:

Many PRs in a similar situation are tempted to fudge some information about their residential address in order to facilitate their application for a new PR card. Not worth it. If you are not actually living in Canada, better to apply for a PR Travel Document.

Remember to read and follow the instructions carefully when applying for a PR Travel Document. To get the credit for accompanying a Canadian citizen spouse it is imperative to submit:
-- proof of relationship (marriage certificate best)
-- proof of cohabiting (living together)
-- proof that spouse is a Canadian citizen
-- copy of Canadian citizen's passport (in addition to the PR's passports of course)

Hi dpenabill, I need a PR card to travel back and forth from Canada by air and we keep our home in Canada. Is this OK to go back Canada for 3 months then use our home address as my primary address to apply? We moved to USA in 2016.
You mentioned that a multiple PRTD is issued for some people, so what's the reason they need to issue? From PRTD rules it's just a single permit for PR to take commercial vehicle into Canada, not for PR to travel like a visa.
Thanks!
 
Hi dpenabill, I need a PR card to travel back and forth from Canada by air and we keep our home in Canada. Is this OK to go back Canada for 3 months then use our home address as my primary address to apply? We moved to USA in 2016.
You mentioned that a multiple PRTD is issued for some people, so what's the reason they need to issue? From PRTD rules it's just a single permit for PR to take commercial vehicle into Canada, not for PR to travel like a visa.
Thanks!

The last I looked, the guide for PR TD applications still indicated that IRCC might issue a multiple use PR TD . . . why? it appears to be mostly for PRs who meet their PR Residency Obligation and are abroad accompanying a Canadian citizen SPOUSE (or other qualified PARTNER), precisely so they can travel regularly to Canada without having to re-apply for a new PR TD for every trip. (But reports illustrate that not all PRs accompanying a Canadian citizen partner abroad are issued the multiple-use rather than single-use PR TD.)

It is apparent that IRCC, like CIC before, prefers PRs living abroad to take this approach rather than applying for a PR card . . . it is obvious that IRCC prefers to only issue a new PR card to a PR who is in fact actually living in Canada. The letter of the law, however, does not facilitate a strict approach and there have been cases overtly ruling that being abroad does not disqualify a PR's statutory right to be issued a PR card.

How you should approach things is something you will need to figure out for yourself or consult with a reputable lawyer. From my perspective playing games is a risky way to go about things, but also from my perspective it is impossible for someone like me to say when an address is an honest report about where another person lives, or it is playing games. I'm guessing you do know for yourself. So all I can offer is that it is your call, your decision, to be based on what you know is an honest declaration. (Some tend to try hanging answers on technicalities; let's just say that what might be technically true will usually suffice to avoid being charged for criminal fraud, no going to jail, but if it is perceived to be misleading or evasive, even if there is no mention let alone allegation of misrepresentation, that can have a rather negative impact on the person's credibility and that, in turn, can make things rather difficult, especially for those who are otherwise cutting-it-close in one respect or another.)

REMINDER: I am NO expert. Not by a long shot.
 
The last I looked, the guide for PR TD applications still indicated that IRCC might issue a multiple use PR TD . . . why? it appears to be mostly for PRs who meet their PR Residency Obligation and are abroad accompanying a Canadian citizen SPOUSE (or other qualified PARTNER), precisely so they can travel regularly to Canada without having to re-apply for a new PR TD for every trip. (But reports illustrate that not all PRs accompanying a Canadian citizen partner abroad are issued the multiple-use rather than single-use PR TD.)

It is apparent that IRCC, like CIC before, prefers PRs living abroad to take this approach rather than applying for a PR card . . . it is obvious that IRCC prefers to only issue a new PR card to a PR who is in fact actually living in Canada. The letter of the law, however, does not facilitate a strict approach and there have been cases overtly ruling that being abroad does not disqualify a PR's statutory right to be issued a PR card.

How you should approach things is something you will need to figure out for yourself or consult with a reputable lawyer. From my perspective playing games is a risky way to go about things, but also from my perspective it is impossible for someone like me to say when an address is an honest report about where another person lives, or it is playing games. I'm guessing you do know for yourself. So all I can offer is that it is your call, your decision, to be based on what you know is an honest declaration. (Some tend to try hanging answers on technicalities; let's just say that what might be technically true will usually suffice to avoid being charged for criminal fraud, no going to jail, but if it is perceived to be misleading or evasive, even if there is no mention let alone allegation of misrepresentation, that can have a rather negative impact on the person's credibility and that, in turn, can make things rather difficult, especially for those who are otherwise cutting-it-close in one respect or another.)

REMINDER: I am NO expert. Not by a long shot.

So I prefer to apply a PR card despite that IRCC doesn't like it. Thanks.
 
So I prefer to apply a PR card despite that IRCC doesn't like it. Thanks.

If you keep a home in Canada, spend a couple of months there and are in the US a PR card makes sense. If you come back to Canada max 1 time a year, don't have a home in Canada and don't live nearby the multiple PRTD makes much more sense. Especially since they often want you to pick up the card in person in Canada. In the case of the multiple PRTD just make sure you keep records of cohabitating if or when you want to return to Canada and apply for a PR card.
 
If you keep a home in Canada, spend a couple of months there and are in the US a PR card makes sense. If you come back to Canada max 1 time a year, don't have a home in Canada and don't live nearby the multiple PRTD makes much more sense. Especially since they often want you to pick up the card in person in Canada. In the case of the multiple PRTD just make sure you keep records of cohabitating if or when you want to return to Canada and apply for a PR card.
That's my situation. I need to go back and forth between Asia, US, and Canada. None of them could technically be my primary address. In my original country I live in my parents home, in US I join with my spouse, and in Canada I live in my house....I spent 10 months in Asia and US, 2 months in Canada. I understand for only 2 months Canada will never a primary residency.
 
You spend more time in Canada than most people who might go to Canada for 1-2 weeks maximum a year if at all.