Need advise from seniors: marraige and PR

[nano24482]

I applied for immigration around a year back(dates are in the sidebar for ref) and am expecting medical request in next 2 to 3 months.
Now I have a dilemma.
My boyfriend is in Canada on student visa doing his Masters and will be transferring to PHD this month or maybe next month and will be visiting India after that.
He proposed me after going to Canada, before that we were just friends.
Now, as he gets meagre stipend he cannot support me currently if I go as a dependent, so I researched for ways to immigrate and got this category which fitted me.

Now as my boyfriend is gonna visit India I think that we should marry so that he can also be a co applicant, me being the principal applicant.
The main concerns are:
1. He is gonna visit in June/July, what if my medical request comes earlier? Can I still include him if I have done medicals?
2. In case of rejection, would his status as a student be affected?
3. As this is a long distant relationship we don't have photographs, barring 1 or 2(but we have gmail chat and mail history)

The main reason why I want to include him in application is that by the time he gets PR, he will be transferred to PHD program and so being a PR holder and a PHD student will raise his stipend to a respactable amount, so even if I don't geta job so soon there will be an overall saftey net on us.

Sorry for the long post but don't know how to put it.

 

[pittabread]

I applied for immigration around a year back(dates are in the sidebar for ref) and am expecting medical request in next 2 to 3 months.
Now I have a dilemma.
My boyfriend is in Canada on student visa doing his Masters and will be transferring to PHD this month or maybe next month and will be visiting India after that.
He proposed me after going to Canada, before that we were just friends.
Now, as he gets meagre stipend he cannot support me currently if I go as a dependent, so I researched for ways to immigrate and got this category which fitted me.

Now as my boyfriend is gonna visit India I think that we should marry so that he can also be a co applicant, me being the principal applicant.
The main concerns are:
1. He is gonna visit in June/July, what if my medical request comes earlier? Can I still include him if I have done medicals?
2. In case of rejection, would his status as a student be affected?
3. As this is a long distant relationship we don't have photographs, barring 1 or 2(but we have gmail chat and mail history)

The main reason why I want to include him in application is that by the time he gets PR, he will be transferred to PHD program and so being a PR holder and a PHD student will raise his stipend to a respactable amount, so even if I don't geta job so soon there will be an overall saftey net on us.

Sorry for the long post but don't know how to put it.

Hi!

1) Yes you should do your medicals whenever they come. Only after getting married whether before or after medicals you should inform CIC immediatley. I am not sure if after medicals you can include him in same application or need to sponsor him as spouse.

2) There shouldn't be any rejection but in any case if it happens wouldn't affect his student visa status.

3) You don't need any photograps or gmail chat now as you are not married yet.

Thanks

 

[yukon]

Their is something called as 'common law partner' which gets the same status as spouse for FSW processing. However since you are not even staying together, it will be difficult to prove the relationship.

Getting married at this stage will also create lot of doubts in the VO's mind.
Best option would be that you pursue your application independently & then get married once you reach there. You can then sponsor him in the Family class.

My suggestion is that including him in your application now can be risky either as spouse or common law partner. May lead to rejection for you, then all dreams are anyways shattered. So continue your application as is, land there, get married then apply for family class. Or he may even apply on his own in FSW later.

 

[nano24482]

I guess I should postpone my marraige right now.
That seems best option.

 

[pittabread]

I guess I should postpone my marraige right now.
That seems best option.

Do get married but inform CIC that your husband is already in Canada as a student but you are not sponsoring him now. After getting your PRR when you land in Canada inform authorities that you are married and husband is staying in canada as a student.

Thanks

 

[yukon]

This news is on another post in this forum:

Proposed changes for spousal sponsorships Wednesday, 30 March 2011 Category Federal Immigration As Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) and the Government of Canada have noticed an increase in the number of fraudulent marriages, they are proposing changes for the Family Class immigration category, specifically for spousal sponsorships.

Under the Family Class category, Canadian permanent residents and citizens are able to sponsor their spouse or common-law partner (non-Canadian) for Canadian permanent residency. Currently, once a spouse/partner lands in Canada as a permanent resident, they are not obliged to stay with their spouse/partner.

The Government of Canada is proposing to impose a “conditional permanent residence” for non-Canadian spouses or partners who have been in a relationship with their Canadian sponsor for two years or less. The newcomer would have to remain in the relationship with their Canadian sponsor for two years upon their arrival in Canada. If the newcomer decides to leave his/her spouse/partner, the permanent residence status would be revoked, which may result in their removal from Canada.

The second change would impose a “sponsorship bar”. Sponsored spouses or partners would not be able to sponsor a new spouse/partner for at least five years.

The Government of Canada is accepting comments from the public regarding the proposed changes for the next 30 days.

Also see this link:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/consultations/marriagefraud/index.asp#cont%20idcont

 

[pittabread]

This news is on another post in this forum:

Proposed changes for spousal sponsorships Wednesday, 30 March 2011 Category Federal Immigration As Citizenship and Immigration Canada (CIC) and the Government of Canada have noticed an increase in the number of fraudulent marriages, they are proposing changes for the Family Class immigration category, specifically for spousal sponsorships.

Under the Family Class category, Canadian permanent residents and citizens are able to sponsor their spouse or common-law partner (non-Canadian) for Canadian permanent residency. Currently, once a spouse/partner lands in Canada as a permanent resident, they are not obliged to stay with their spouse/partner.

The Government of Canada is proposing to impose a “conditional permanent residence” for non-Canadian spouses or partners who have been in a relationship with their Canadian sponsor for two years or less. The newcomer would have to remain in the relationship with their Canadian sponsor for two years upon their arrival in Canada. If the newcomer decides to leave his/her spouse/partner, the permanent residence status would be revoked, which may result in their removal from Canada.

The second change would impose a “sponsorship bar”. Sponsored spouses or partners would not be able to sponsor a new spouse/partner for at least five years.

The Government of Canada is accepting comments from the public regarding the proposed changes for the next 30 days.

Also see this link:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/department/consultations/marriagefraud/index.asp#cont%20idcont

Hi Yukon!

This is for those who are already in Canada and are permanant residents / citizens. In this case person is informing a genuine marriage and once married and lands in Canada his / her spouse will definitley have to stay with him / her for 2 years to get his / her permanant visa . So I see no problems here...

Thanks

 

[yukon]

Hi Yukon!

This is for those who are already in Canada and are permanat residents / citizens. In this case person is informing a genuine marriage and once married his / her spouse will definitley stay with him / her in Canada with for 2 years once he / she reaches Canada. So I see no problems here...

1. Who decides the marriage is genuine? The applicant or the Visa Officer?
2. How do you know how long they will stay together?
3. Her boyfriend can be in trouble with 'Dual Intent'.
4. She will have a difficult time proving her marriage genuineness because of the odd timing.

The whole thing is more a situational & timing problem more then anything else. It is not for us to decide whether the marriage is genuine or not, CIC & CHC have to be convinced & considering the current scheme of things it is difficult.

 

[pittabread]

1. Who decides the marriage is genuine? The applicant or the Visa Officer?
2. How do you know how long they will stay together?
3. Her boyfriend can be in trouble with 'Dual Intent'.
4. She will have a difficult time proving her marriage genuineness because of the odd timing.

The whole thing is more a situational & timing problem more then anything else. It is not for us to decide whether the marriage is genuine or not, CIC & CHC have to be convinced & considering the current scheme of things it is difficult.

Dear,

First of all if some one is genuine he / she shouldn't be scared and he / she shouldn't think of any negativity or suppose that authorities will be suspecious. If that is the case then genuine people should stop applying for immigration because of any doubts I suppose..

If her boy friend doesn't stay with her for 2 years then only her boy friend will loose out not her.

Thanks

 

[yukon]

Dear,

First of all if some one is genuine he / she shouldn't be scared and he / she shouldn't think of any negativity or suppose that authorities will be suspecious. If that is the case then genuine people should stop applying for immigration because of any doubts I suppose..

If her boy friend doesn't stay with her for 2 years then only her boy friend will loose out not her.

Thanks

You have to face the reality my friend. Today AEO's are considered to be all frauds, so applicants who are genuine lose out because of no fault of theirs. If they are not prepared to handle this situation they will be rejected. The fact that we are positive, only helps us get through this situation.
No point being an Ostrich & thinking that everything will be OK if I keep my eyes & ears closed.

If the reality is that new marriages are on scanner, then we need to face it with a different perspective keeping in mind the changed situation for evaluation.

 

[pittabread]

You have to face the reality my friend. Today AEO's are considered to be all frauds, so applicants who are genuine lose out because of no fault of theirs. If they are not prepared to handle this situation they will be rejected. The fact that we are positive, only helps us get through this situation.
No point being an Ostrich & thinking that everything will be OK if I keep my eyes & ears closed.

If the reality is that new marriages are on scanner, then we need to face it with a different perspective keeping in mind the changed situation for evaluation.

I totally disagree with you here. Honesty is the best policy and trying to be oversmart and judging things from your own point of view is not the right option.

Every one is entitled to his / her opinion. It is not necessary what I think is right the other person will do as well.

Thanks anyway

 

[yukon]

I totally disagree with you here. Honesty is the best policy and trying to be oversmart and judging things from your own point of view is not the right option.

Every one is entitled to his / her opinion. It is not necessary what I think is right the other person will do as well.

Thanks anyway

I disagree with you.
What I said was not being dishonest, but being smart enough to handle the situation.
Secondly I never said you have to listen to my opinion. This is an open forum, just like you everybody else too has a right to an opinion.

 

[pittabread]

I disagree with you.
What I said was not being dishonest, but being smart enough to handle the situation.
Secondly I never said you have to listen to my opinion. This is an open forum, just like you everybody else too has a right to an opinion.

I never said you are dishonest . I meant if she wants to get married now she should be honest with herself and should get married and inform CIC about that. Over smartness is bad in any case...

I was giving my opinion only not forcing you to do it.. I meant what you think is right is good for you and what I or somebody else think is good for them..

 

[nano24482]

Thank you guys for your response. Lot of points were raised.

I wanna mention that my reason for marrying(in my current situation) is that my bf gets the PR so that he can get a raise in stipend.
He can definitely apply on his own in 2 years time or in case I reach this year than after 1 year I can sponsor him, but this won't give him a raise.

I'll definitely think about it. I have whole 2 months left till he arrives.