Landing for dependent in Canada

[sprime]

Hi- my parents and sibling application for permanent residency have been approved through the family and grandparents sponsorship stream (one app with my dad as the primary applicant, mum and sibling as dependents). My sibling is in Canada for school and so was unable to provide his passport along with my parents for submission at the Nigerian embassy. We’ve followed the steps cic outlined (submitted a web form specifying that my sibling was in Canada) but have received no further communication. My parents have gotten their passports back now with their IM1 visa but no word back on my siblings next steps.

Is anyone familiar with a similar situation? What are next steps?

 

[YVR123]

Hi- my parents and sibling application for permanent residency have been approved through the family and grandparents sponsorship stream (one app with my dad as the primary applicant, mum and sibling as dependents). My sibling is in Canada for school and so was unable to provide his passport along with my parents for submission at the Nigerian embassy. We’ve followed the steps cic outlined (submitted a web form specifying that my sibling was in Canada) but have received no further communication. My parents have gotten their passports back now with their IM1 visa but no word back on my siblings next steps.

Is anyone familiar with a similar situation? What are next steps?

Have your dad (PA) landed in Canada yet?

 

[canuck78]

Hi- my parents and sibling application for permanent residency have been approved through the family and grandparents sponsorship stream (one app with my dad as the primary applicant, mum and sibling as dependents). My sibling is in Canada for school and so was unable to provide his passport along with my parents for submission at the Nigerian embassy. We’ve followed the steps cic outlined (submitted a web form specifying that my sibling was in Canada) but have received no further communication. My parents have gotten their passports back now with their IM1 visa but no word back on my siblings next steps.

Is anyone familiar with a similar situation? What are next steps?

When did you contact IRCC about your brother? This is a tricky situation now that virtual landing is done for those in Canada. You need instructions by IRCC but essentially what will need to happen is that your parents land and then your brother lands virtually. Easier said then done because IRCC Doesn’t function well when there are tons of moving parts to coordinate. When does their COPR expire? Does your brother have any plans to visit Nigeria before then?

 

[sprime]

When did you contact IRCC about your brother? This is a tricky situation now that virtual landing is done for those in Canada. You need instructions by IRCC but essentially what will need to happen is that your parents land and then your brother lands virtually. Easier said then done because IRCC Doesn’t function well when there are tons of moving parts to coordinate. When does their COPR expire? Does your brother have any plans to visit Nigeria before then?

Thanks for the response. We contacted ircc about my brother at the end of august when my parents sent their passport in according to the instructions provided. Their copr was only issued in September, so it expires March next year. my brother plans to visit Nigeria this December. My parents will probably land before the end of this month.

 

[sprime]

Have your dad (PA) landed in Canada yet?

No, not yet.

 

[canuck78]

Thanks for the response. We contacted ircc about my brother at the end of august when my parents sent their passport in according to the instructions provided. Their copr was only issued in September, so it expires March next year. my brother plans to visit Nigeria this December. My parents will probably land before the end of this month.

Your parents should not land until your brother has figured out his COPR or what is the landing procedure for your brother. All family members should have COPR before anyone lands. How long will your brother be in Nigeria?

 

[sprime]

Your parents should not land until your brother has figured out his COPR or what is the landing procedure for your brother. All family members should have COPR before anyone lands. How long will your brother be in Nigeria?

Oh wow, thanks. He’s scheduled to be there for about 2-3 weeks at the moment.

 

[armoured]

I would guess that IRCC could 'land' the brother (virtually) but only after the parents have arrived and landed.

But this is complicated: perhaps try inquiring through MP's office since the question is somewhat time sensitive and important.

 

[sprime]

I would guess that IRCC could 'land' the brother (virtually) but only after the parents have arrived and landed.

But this is complicated: perhaps try inquiring through MP's office since the question is somewhat time sensitive and important.

thank you, will try this route.

 

[canuck78]

I would guess that IRCC could 'land' the brother (virtually) but only after the parents have arrived and landed.

But this is complicated: perhaps try inquiring through MP's office since the question is somewhat time sensitive and important.

thank you, will try this route.

MPs can’t arrange landings. You need to inform IRCC that your brother is in Canada and can’t submit his passport in Nigeria. Once IRCC is aware that your brother will not be submitting his passport in Nigeria IRCC needs to arrange for your brother to land virtually after your parents land.

 

[armoured]

MPs can’t arrange landings.

What a strange statement. Who on earth suggested that an MP could 'arrange a landing.' What a bizarre interpretation.

You need to inform IRCC that your brother is in Canada and can’t submit his passport in Nigeria. Once IRCC is aware that your brother will not be submitting his passport in Nigeria IRCC needs to arrange for your brother to land virtually after your parents land.

The whole point of contacting the MP would be to get assistance in contacting IRCC to clarify what is the correct procedure.

And note that this is after your advice that "Your parents should not land until your brother has figured out his COPR or what is the landing procedure for your brother."

The logic of contacting MP to get assistance here is that the timeframes for the parents' scheduled landing was tight.

And really, there's no reason I can see that the parents should 'not land' or worry about landing before this is finalized (although that would be preferable); this is a declared dependent and I'm not aware of any indication that there is something problematic about the landing occurring while the dependent is already in Canada. (It might complicate things but is not outright contrary to any rules). Do you have a source for this statement or the implications of your statement? (Or, like usual, no source.)

And at any rate: absolutely, 100% nothing wrong with trying through an MP's office to get assistance. It may not work, and can't be relied upon, but sometimes does and better than just saying 'should not land.'

 

[canuck78]

What a strange statement. Who on earth suggested that an MP could 'arrange a landing.' What a bizarre interpretation.



The whole point of contacting the MP would be to get assistance in contacting IRCC to clarify what is the correct procedure.

And note that this is after your advice that "Your parents should not land until your brother has figured out his COPR or what is the landing procedure for your brother."

The logic of contacting MP to get assistance here is that the timeframes for the parents' scheduled landing was tight.

And really, there's no reason I can see that the parents should 'not land' or worry about landing before this is finalized (although that would be preferable); this is a declared dependent and I'm not aware of any indication that there is something problematic about the landing occurring while the dependent is already in Canada. (It might complicate things but is not outright contrary to any rules). Do you have a source for this statement or the implications of your statement? (Or, like usual, no source.)

And at any rate: absolutely, 100% nothing wrong with trying through an MP's office to get assistance. It may not work, and can't be relied upon, but sometimes does and better than just saying 'should not land.'

If you haven’t contacted IRCC that should always be the first step. MP are really meant to deal with immigration issues when wait Times have been exceeded normal processing by a lot, when you’re tried to reach out to IRCC but have not been able to get anywhere with them after normal wait times, true emergencies, etc. They aren’t immigration experts so may not know anything about virtual landings. Good Chance that the answer from the MP will be to contact IRCC to arrange the landings. It seems as though IRCC is unaware that the brother is in Canada. Although it has certainly gotten better since the begining of Covid when if applicants were in and out of Canada they had to wait until they were reunited before being able to land, there still aren’t automatic systems In place for situations where people landing are in and out of Canada so the applicants need to initiate contact with IRCC and then wait for instructions. If the family received their stamped passport quickly the easier solution would be for the son to submit his passport as soon as he arrives in Nigeria.

 

[armoured]

If you haven’t contacted IRCC that should always be the first step. MP are really meant to deal with immigration issues when wait Times have been exceeded normal processing by a lot, when you’re tried to reach out to IRCC but have not been able to get anywhere with them after normal wait times, true emergencies, etc.

I disagree with this point of yours (and whatever odd 'morality' angle you seem to add to this) about how and when it is appropriate or efficient to contact MPs.

Truth is, IRCC does NOT provide competent and efficient ability to get through to their own phone lines - and worse, when one does get through to the call centre, quite frequently, that information is wrong, garbled, poorly suited to the specific case at hand, etc.

AND when there is a specific, time-sensitive thing that needs done, the IRCC call line cannot be relied upon to start the process with any visibility or certainty.

So, sorry - but this advice or preaching of yours is bad advice by the criteria I've laid out above.

In addition, it is every Canadian's right to contact their MP about this, and communicate - directly or by sheer numbers - that IRCC's various question and response systems (such as the call centre) are NOT fit for purpose, and that there are gaps in their various systems that their instructions do not cover. It is, unfortunately, one of the few ways that IRCC 'clients' can communicate (in a way that will be listed to, at least some of the time) that the system is a mess.

If you wish to parcel out bad advice, that's fine. If you disagree with my points above, also fine.

But please STOP misquoting or quoting out of context my posts when you do so.