if deliver baby in canada, would that affect my chance of future immigration?

[berryland]

Me and my husband are in process of applying CSQ through Quebec immigration program, while now I'm peganent and will deliver the baby in several month, which definitely will before we can get a CSQ.
If I go to canada on visitor visa, deliver the baby there, come back to my home country and waiting for CSQ go through and submit my immigration visa application later (probably that would take up to a year in total after the baby is born), will the record that I give birth to my baby on a visitor visa affect my chance of getting immigration visa later?

I'm very confused someone online says immigration hates this kind of case may even deny my entry into canada in future while some other says this kind of case happen very often and nothing seems to be affected...

Please if someone knows about this, would be very appreciated as I really need to make my decision soon...

 

[newtone]

It should not matter but you will have to bear the cost of delivery of the baby in Canada, the government will not do that. The delivery could cost anywhere from $7,000-$10,000 (delivery, hospital fees, additional services etc)

 

[toby]

I too have read conflicting reports of Immigrations's view of what they call "anchor babies" (babies born in Canada just to get Canadian citizenship for the child).

Sorry, I don't have an answer for you, but will read with interest replies from better-informed people.

 

[newtone]

I think Canada should follow UK when it comes to granting citizenship, they follow other laws and regulation I don't see why they cant follow this rule

In the UK citizenship is only granted if one of the parents are a citizen of the UK at the time of birth of the baby and if neither parent is a citizen of the UK at the time of birth, regardless if the child was born in the UK, then no citizenship is granted to the child.

The baby should inherit the citizenship of the mother, cause he/she spent 9 months there. Guess that fulfills the residency and citizenship requirements in the womb

 

[Leon]

Canada and the US hold tight to their regulations that any baby born in these countries should get citizenship. These are immigration countries. They want people who immigrate to Canada to be at home and their children are also born at home so therefore they are Canadian.

I don't really know why people call them anchor babies. The wording comes form dropping an anchor but I think this is made up by people who do not realize that a baby born in these countries does not help the status of the parents at all so they are not really dropping an anchor, just giving their baby citizenship.

As for the question of berryland, there is no reason why you should go to Quebec on a visitor visa just to have your baby and to cover all those costs. If you immigrate to Canada, you will apply for your baby too and he or she will become PR when you do and a citizen when you do.

 

[okwama2002]

Re: if deliver baby in canada, would that affect my chance of future immigration

The anchor baby term is very crude and favored by right wingers who are motivated by hate of the other. The other being people who look different. I think its good to take into account history, understanding of other cultures and ourselves before we start providing ideas on what citizenship rules Canada should follow.
Sincerely,

 

[newtone]

I don't think the anchor baby term is crude. Lets say someone has a baby on your door step and asks you to take care of the baby (provide medical care and financial support) . And you, out of the goodness of your heart take the responsibility. Once the baby is 18 the parents come back and say its our child and we would like him to allow us to stay in your house indefinitely. How would you feel? So its really not right wing ideology and is definitely not motivated by the hate of others. Its just a question of morality and people who abuse the system and Canadian generosity.

 

[patience]

Honestly,having a baby in canada is a great thing providing you are not illegal in the country.Chances are that the child will be classified as a canadian but you wont unless you marry or something like that.Best of luck.

 

[Leon]

newtone, your example is not a very good one because in most cases, the parents do not leave the baby in Canada to get medical care and education while they themselves go off to homeland. If they don't go off to homeland, if the baby is staying with them as they are in Canada working or studying, their baby would have gotten education and medical care anyway and they take care of the feeding, clothing and raising it.

As for the baby sponsoring the parents, even if they did leave the baby in Canada and leave themselves, the child will have no connection with the parents so why should he sponsor them. If they didn't leave the baby in Canada, instead took it with them to homeland but they want him to sponsor them, he will have to go get set up in Canada at the age of 18. As a Canadian citizen who has grown up elsewhere, he would face the same problems as new immigrants with less than perfect English and a foreign education and if he is only 18, only a high school education to boot. He would first need to get a proper education in order to get a proper job to have the amount of money needed to sponsor his parents. Lets say this takes him a couple of years and another 5 to sponsor the parents, he is already 25 by the time they get PR and after that he is responsible for them financially for another 10 years, basically no different than for any of us immigrants to sponsor our parents.

 

[newtone]

hmmm ok

 

[toby]

newtone, your example is not a very good one because in most cases, the parents do not leave the baby in Canada to get medical care and education while they themselves go off to homeland. If they don't go off to homeland, if the baby is staying with them as they are in Canada working or studying, their baby would have gotten education and medical care anyway and they take care of the feeding, clothing and raising it.

As for the baby sponsoring the parents, even if they did leave the baby in Canada and leave themselves, the child will have no connection with the parents so why should he sponsor them. If they didn't leave the baby in Canada, instead took it with them to homeland but they want him to sponsor them, he will have to go get set up in Canada at the age of 18. As a Canadian citizen who has grown up elsewhere, he would face the same problems as new immigrants with less than perfect English and a foreign education and if he is only 18, only a high school education to boot. He would first need to get a proper education in order to get a proper job to have the amount of money needed to sponsor his parents. Lets say this takes him a couple of years and another 5 to sponsor the parents, he is already 25 by the time they get PR and after that he is responsible for them financially for another 10 years, basically no different than for any of us immigrants to sponsor our parents.

Then whence comes the term "anchor baby"? The attempt to make it seem bigoted seems strained, implausible. The term seems more descriptive to me -- as in providing an anchor in Canada for the parents of the citizen-child at a later date.

But as you explain, Leon, there is no real advantage to the parents. Perhaps they are simply providing a benefit to the child, a selfless act?

And what is Canada's view of a woman's plan to visit Canada and give birth during the visit? Does Canada welcome such plans, or -- if the border officer suspects the visitor is pregnant -- will he/she give a short-term visitor's visa of (say) a month to preclude giving birth in Canada?

 

[Leon]

Yes Toby, I think it is more of a gift to the child, especially when the parents do not see a way to qualify to immigrate themselves. I don't know if there is a policy on pregnant women visiting Canada but I would assume that it is frowned upon by immigration as I am sure many of the people who want to do this have not thought of the medical bills and may not have the means to pay them.

 

[salmtzo]

When we came here in 2008 my wife was pregnant (6 months), I had a job offer and applied for a work permit at POE, We applied for PR last year through CEC and so far everything seems to be OK regarding our PR application, We just had medicals requested last week..

Regards

 

[okwama2002]

Re: if deliver baby in canada, would that affect my chance of future immigration

Hi all,
I believe the term "anchor baby" is bigoted because of the way I have seen it being used by the right wing media and politicians. I dont know about Canada but I live in The US, I went to school here and understand the system intimately. In this country labels to segments of the society has always had disastrous consequences however harmless or devious the labels may be. I am very open minded and I strongly believe that immigration should be regulated because without laws our resources will be overstretched, over-run and undermined.A trip down history lane can explain my point.
When we had terms like "The only good Indian is a dead Indian" the native population of this country was almost wiped out to create room for settlements. Come to Massachusetts, or the New England region, You wont see any Wampanoags, Chicopees, Chirokees or other indigenous Americans.
When the Irish came because of strife in Ireland and the potato famine, People erected signs like "Irish need not apply for vacancies" at job sites. I guess they were seen as troublemakers. The experience of Italian Americans in their bid to settle here led to the explosion of mob activities because they were not given opportunities. Jewish Americans who were fleeing the pogroms and discrimination in Europe also faced a lot of hurdles. That is one reason why they are mainly concentrated in the tri-state areas (New york, New Jersey, Pennsylvania). They were al referred to by labels which I will not use here.
The contemporary villains are modern immigrants represented by the Mexicans given that they are the majority here. Some of us may not like Mexicans immigration but I believe we should focus more on controlling entry and give those with roots here a path to citizenship. People say, they are invading us, but take a trip back into history we seized Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and parts of California from Mexico and pushed many of them out. Now we rise in arms because of a trickle of Mexicans back here.
The so called illegal parents do not get food stamps, Social benefits or welfare but when their children attain majority age they pay taxes. The other thing is that if you come here illegally, it does not matter if your child is a citizen, you must leave the country before you can be processed for residency. Here in the US of people who work the back rooms, landscape and do
Immigration has always been a part and parcel of human history. The world has changed and we must also change with it and become stricter but we should still avoid terms that may incite mass mistreatment of people. In the US we just had the "Show your papers legislation in Arizona shut down by a federal judge. In Georgia, the governor has signed a similar bill into law.
In the media, I see lines like alien infestation, illegal aliens. We just focus on the present. We dont ask ourselves how America and Canada was settled. If you live in Canada, read about the now dead separation of some children of the first nation and their parents so as to "civilize them". Read about that in Australia too. This developed because we gave labels to their cultures and saw their parents as unfit
In the US is a hot button issue and some people in the right wing bandy terms like anchor babies without a care. There are debates to change the 14th amendment that gives citizenship by natural birth without an understanding of the history of this great nation. The aim of the debates is to deny "anchor babies" citizenship.
If somebody has the ability to come to Canada and give birth, that person has been screened by the Canadian government and contributes to the economy of Canada. Its actually a good sign for Canadian vibrancy. Many countries give right of birth citizenship but people dont go to give birth in such countries. simply because they are not on a par with Canada. Canada has one of the best immigration laws guided by reason and not emotions and fear.
I feel so passionate about this issue because am a student of world history. My opinions may be riddled with errors and my liberal bias but I try to stay open minded. Thank you
Respectfully Yours

 

[toby]

Good summary of the problematic history of immigration.

But the term "anchor baby" does not strike me as inherently bigoted, right now at least. It suggests at face value that having a baby in Canada confers some rights of residency upon the parents. Leon has explained that this is not true; the only benefits goes to the baby, who gets Canadian citizenship as a birthright. So, the term now strikes me as misleading (but not bigoted).

Of course, if a lot of bigoted people use the term in a derogatory manner, "anchor baby" will acquire racist undertones, and fall into the category of words best not used in polite society. Again, I don't think we are there yet, but that is only my opinion.

The assertion that Canada screens immigrants and visitors at entry, and that if a visitor gives birth in Canada it therefore must be with Canada's approval, seems questionable. Leon, for one, thinks that Canada tries to bar entry to obviously-pregnant mothers to
prevent Canada births by mothers not resident in Canada.