I share a story hoping for some answers!!

[sask63]

Hello.I am not sure exactly where this post fits,but I will place it in this section.
This is a long post with many ?`s so I apologize,but I am trying to find answers for the sake of my friend who is in this situation
I will lay out.

I have searched to find answers but have not had any luck in regards these specific issues!!

Friend lives here in Canada,is asked by mother in home country,to take in a married couple from another country- Turkey,immigrating to Canada.
I am not sure exactly which class of immigration they filed?

Since their arrival approx 14 months ago my friend has been supporting them financially,they came here badly prepared financially,only $4000,its pretty much gone now.

Approx within 2 months of arrival,she gets pregnant,and 9 months later,baby boy.
These two have engineering degrees from their home country,yet neither one has ever looked for a job, not once,even an entry level job somewhere,anywhere to get income coming in,to make an effort to get on their own.

Apparently,any job other than an engineer is below them.
Their English is poor and neither have signed up for English classes

Is it a requirement for immigrants who come to Canada to find a job, work and pay taxes for example
Is it a requirement for immigrants to take English classes recognized by immigration Canada,such as those put on by open door society.

Do immigrants not have to show that they are doing everything they can,to come to this country and contribute as members of our country
If these prerequisites do exist?,what are the consequences if they fail to meet them.

Yes you may ask yourselves why my friend has not just asked them to leave,yes she is sacrificing her life,having these people with her,but it is what it is. Especially after birth of baby,making it hard to tell them to leave and be on their own.

I do hope some people have some answers or can share links to some info that I would be glad to look at.,and I thank you in advance

 

[zardoz]

Hello.I am not sure exactly where this post fits,but I will place it in this section.
This is a long post with many ?`s so I apologize,but I am trying to find answers for the sake of my friend who is in this situation
I will lay out.

I have searched to find answers but have not had any luck in regards these specific issues!!

Friend lives here in Canada,is asked by mother in home country,to take in a married couple from another country- Turkey,immigrating to Canada.
I am not sure exactly which class of immigration they filed?

Since their arrival approx 14 months ago my friend has been supporting them financially,they came here badly prepared financially,only $4000,its pretty much gone now.

Approx within 2 months of arrival,she gets pregnant,and 9 months later,baby boy.
These two have engineering degrees from their home country,yet neither one has ever looked for a job, not once,even an entry level job somewhere,anywhere to get income coming in,to make an effort to get on their own.

Apparently,any job other than an engineer is below them.
Their English is poor and neither have signed up for English classes

Is it a requirement for immigrants who come to Canada to find a job, work and pay taxes for example
Is it a requirement for immigrants to take English classes recognized by immigration Canada,such as those put on by open door society.

Do immigrants not have to show that they are doing everything they can,to come to this country and contribute as members of our country
If these prerequisites do exist?,what are the consequences if they fail to meet them.

Yes you may ask yourselves why my friend has not just asked them to leave,yes she is sacrificing her life,having these people with her,but it is what it is. Especially after birth of baby,making it hard to tell them to leave and be on their own.

I do hope some people have some answers or can share links to some info that I would be glad to look at.,and I thank you in advance

This whole story smells bad. To immigrate to Canada they would have to have passed IELTS and have minimum level of settlement funds. Are you really sure that they are in Canada as legal immigrants? Your friend should ask to see their PR cards or COPR documents.

 

[sask63]

Thanks for reply.I agree it does smell bad,my friend is admittedly in a bad spot,but my friend feels it is her duty,through her mom to do this.

I was told by my friend,and i trust 100%,about how bad their English is
and the amount of money they brought.
what seems the worst to me is having a baby here in Canada,getting pregnant soon after arriving.

In regards the documents i will discuss this with my friend.If it were a possibility that they just came on a visitor visa?,how soon would immigration actually come looking,or would they,or can they fly under the radar so to speak

 

[zardoz]

Thanks for reply.I agree it does smell bad,my friend is admittedly in a bad spot,but my friend feels it is her duty,through her mom to do this.

I was told by my friend,and i trust 100%,about how bad their English is
and the amount of money they brought.
what seems the worst to me is having a baby here in Canada,getting pregnant soon after arriving.

In regards the documents i will discuss this with my friend.If it were a possibility that they just came on a visitor visa?,how soon would immigration actually come looking,or would they,or can they fly under the radar so to speak

If your friend is helping "illegal" immigrants, it might be a problem for her. She should find out what is really going on, for her own protection. Who paid for the pregnancy and birth costs?

 

[sask63]

There is not a chance she would knowingly be helping these people in anything illegal!!,my friend as well is 4 years into living in Canada as an immigrant,and herself in the process of trying to get mom and sister here to Canada.
There is no way she would knowingly jeopardize that.

You are correct,and asap i am going to talk to talk about this

 

[Leon]

How well does the mother know these people? Why does she expect her daughter to support them financially and for how long? I think the daughter needs to have a talk with the mother about this.

As for their immigration, I suppose if they applied under the skilled worker class that they would have had to pass IELTS. They may have applied under some immigration class where they hadn't. If they were sponsored by some relative under the "1 other relative clause", that is someone who is not married, has no children or other relatives in Canada and no close relatives they can legally sponsor such as parents, spouse, children etc. they may sponsor one other relative (+ family). In that case, the sponsored relative would not be required to show funds or pass IELTS but the sponsor would be financially responsible for them. If they are legally in Canada, they are eligible for child tax benefit and child care benefit. They may be able to get welfare as well. For all she knows, they might actually be getting all this money and not telling her. A skilled worker would be expected to show funds but they may have shown a bank statement for a portion of it and it might not have been their money to begin with.

I think your friend is being far too nice about this. 14 months, I think she has the patience of a saint.

If she doesn't want to kick them out, what she needs to do is sit them down and ask them what their future plans are. She should tell them that if they want to stay with her for the time being, they need to come up with a future plan that involves becoming self supportive and they need to do that fast because her patience is wearing thin.

I think it would also be a good idea for her to ask to see their PR cards or COPR. If they are not PR, but on an expired visit visa or something like that, she needs to know that now because if that is the case, there is no future in Canada for them at this point.

 

[sask63]

Leon thank you so much for your reply.Yes my friend has the patience of a saint,and then some.

I know for a fact that my friend had nothing to do with their immigration here,her name is not on any paperwork,it was supposed to be a place to live temporarily,until they got on their own feet.

It is simply appalling that they would come to this country,and expect the world to be given to them,not work hard to be on their own.

I laugh at their expectations,that because they are both engineers,any job less than that is so below them.

I wonder how soon after birth of baby,would they be able to receive the monthly child tax credit.

I will mention to my friend to ask for the pr or copa paperwork.Out of my own lack of knowledge what does the acronym copa stand for in regards immigration?.
Thanks again,your reply was appreciated very much.

 

[zardoz]

It's COPR, Confirmation of Permanent Residence. It might also be useful to know which immigration category they came in on. See http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/publications/copr-category.asp This category is also printed on the PR card .

If they can't or won't show these documents, she should be VERY concerned... However, they might simply be freeloaders.

 

[Leon]

I wonder how soon after birth of baby,would they be able to receive the monthly child tax credit.

If they are PR, right away. If they are on a work permit, 18 months after their arrival. If they are visitors, never

Some people are just freeloaders and will take your arm off if you lend them a finger. I know of such people and I know of people who have had the misfortune of taking such people in. Some people will stay until you literally force them out and that can get unpleasant.

I once invited a person to stay temporarily and I made it clear to her that she was to find an apartment and job asap. I helped her look on the internet and I bought newspapers and we circled ads together, then handed her the phone to make the calls. She had a job within a week and an apartment within 3. This is how it can work when you really want to. However, her English was good and she wasn't picky about what kind of job. She actually got 3 different jobs over the first month or so, ditching a bad one for a better one each time and no, she was not an engineer nor did she have much other useful education or even experience.

I think these people need to be sat down and told that it is not kosher to expect somebody else to provide for you and your child. That they should get off their butts and find themselves jobs, if not as engineers then as something else. They should realize that in order to work as an engineer in Canada, they need to pass some licensing tests and they will not be easy if their English is not good. They should realize that it might be their best bet to get a job as a draftsman or similar while they take evening courses to better their English first and to work on their engineer licensing second. That if they are not willing to do this, nobody will do it for them.

That is as long as they are PR. If they are not PR, they should use their last money to fly home because there is nothing for them in Canada.

If she doesn't have this talk with them, she risks that they will still be sitting around living off her in 10 years time, probably with a few more kids too.

 

[keesio]

There is not a chance she would knowingly be helping these people in anything illegal!!,my friend as well is 4 years into living in Canada as an immigrant,and herself in the process of trying to get mom and sister here to Canada.
There is no way she would knowingly jeopardize that.

She may not be knowingly doing anything illegal... but she may be being exploited into doing something illegal. Regardless, of whether she knows or or not, if it is illegal, she jeopardizes her mom and sister's applications and risks being charged with a crime. Make sure she knows this.

 

[Regina]

she jeopardizes her mom and sister's applications and risks being charged with a crime. Make sure she knows this.

Exactly!!!