FROM INLAND TO OUTLAND - HELP PLEASE

[S92]

Hi everybody,

Long story short, i'm 23 years old, my fiancé is 20 years old, we are getting married on Saturday, it's a big wedding with more than 100 guests, family and friends only, i came here in January, i extended my visitor visa until January 2016, 3 months ago we started planning the wedding and the application at the same time, but we wanted to go for the inland (2 years and 2 months of processing time), a couple of days ago the processing time just went higher and it'll probably get very high when they start processing the pilot applications due to the thousands of applicants, i personally know 22 inland applicants in Toronto, it's crazy! So then we decided to go for the outland application as some good people in this forum advised me to do.
I am an Israeli citizen, the application will be sent to Tel-Aviv (processing time: 9 months), i don't wanna pay 4000$ for a lawyer to fill an application in a case as simple as ours (legal status, no children, both never married before, real marriage and support from the family), so i read the whole outland guide, twice, and we filled out all the forms, right now all we are missing is the marriage certificate, my medical examinations and the option c prinout, so we have to wait probably until Christmas to include everything in the application. I believe (and wanna believe) that there will be no need for an interview cuz we have a letter written and signed by my fiancé's parents indicating that we both live in the same house with them, and many photos showing that too, we are both family oriented and since i'm so far from my family i have to be close to my new family to find the will and the hope for building the future.

Everything is going smooth so far but there are things i didn't quite understand from the guides, for example:
- The guide is divided as "part 1", "part 2" & "part 3", plus there is 2 chicklists, so we are supposed to put everything in the same envelope? if yes anyone can give me an idea of how to arrange things in the envelope so it'll look nicer and seem convenient to the one opening the envelope?
- The country specific guide uses the phrase "notarized photocopies" even my fiancé, the native english speaker never heard of this word, we tried to google it and as far as we could understand it's a proof of "true photocopy"? if it's not a "true photocopy" then how come it's a photocopy? anyway that doesn't really matter, what exactly should be sent as "notarized photocopy"? all we need to attach is: my birth certificate (it's in english), our marriage license, police certificate (in english and can only be sent directly to immigration), the option c and the medical examinations, we'll need the marriage certificate so we'll make a "notarized copy" of it, but can we just send the originals of everything else i just mentioned?
- Now i have to extend my visa again, i have to send another application for visitor visa extension? since we'll be in an immigration process they will probably give me another 6 months or more?

That wasn't short, i'm sorry for that.
If someone could give me and advice related to the specific questions i asked i'd appreciate that.
Any general advice on the outland application will be appreciated.

Thank you!

 

[sashali78]

Everything is going smooth so far but there are things i didn't quite understand from the guides, for example:
- The guide is divided as "part 1", "part 2" & "part 3", plus there is 2 chicklists, so we are supposed to put everything in the same envelope? if yes anyone can give me an idea of how to arrange things in the envelope so it'll look nicer and seem convenient to the one opening the envelope?
- The country specific guide uses the phrase "notarized photocopies" even my fiancé, the native english speaker never heard of this word, we tried to google it and as far as we could understand it's a proof of "true photocopy"? if it's not a "true photocopy" then how come it's a photocopy? anyway that doesn't really matter, what exactly should be sent as "notarized photocopy"? all we need to attach is: my birth certificate (it's in english), our marriage license, police certificate (in english and can only be sent directly to immigration), the option c and the medical examinations, we'll need the marriage certificate so we'll make a "notarized copy" of it, but can we just send the originals of everything else i just mentioned?
- Now i have to extend my visa again, i have to send another application for visitor visa extension? since we'll be in an immigration process they will probably give me another 6 months or more?

That wasn't short, i'm sorry for that.
If someone could give me and advice related to the specific questions i asked i'd appreciate that.
Any general advice on the outland application will be appreciated.

Thank you!

1. Yes, you put everything in the same envelope. You can arrange it in anyway you find logical and fit, as long as you put the checklist and barcode pages on top. May members here choose to arrange in 3 parts, i.e. sponsor part, PA part and proof of relationship.
2. Only documents which are not in English need to be translated and notarized. Notarized copy means that a photocopy is made of the original document and being notarized by a notary public. Then a certified translator does a translation of that copy - there are plenty places where you can do that together.
3. You can explain your situation and apply for a visa extension but no one can tell if you if another extension will be approved and for how long. You should be able to demonstrate strong ties to Israel, since you obviously don't work there anymore, having a bank account, real estate properties/other investments , family connections, etc can help.

 

[S92]

1. All my documents are represented in Hebrew on one side and English on the other side of the paper, that means i don't need to to do any notarization right?
2. Now i'm stressed about the visitor visa extension, they already extended my stay till January 2016, in a case where someone is married to a Canadian citizen and would like to stay here while waiting for the PR, do they usually extend the visitor visa for outland applicants?
Thank you!

 

[sashali78]

1. All my documents are represented in Hebrew on one side and English on the other side of the paper, that means i don't need to to do any notarization right?
2. Now i'm stressed about the visitor visa extension, they already extended my stay till January 2016, in a case where someone is married to a Canadian citizen and would like to stay here while waiting for the PR, do they usually extend the visitor visa for outland applicants?
Thank you!

1. Right
2. There are no usual scenarios here, some people are more lucky than others. For visa free countries CIC makes less problems, but you can never know.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

1. All my documents are represented in Hebrew on one side and English on the other side of the paper, that means i don't need to to do any notarization right?
2. Now i'm stressed about the visitor visa extension, they already extended my stay till January 2016, in a case where someone is married to a Canadian citizen and would like to stay here while waiting for the PR, do they usually extend the visitor visa for outland applicants?
Thank you!

1. As stated at the beginning of the country-specific guide for Israel:

- Send originals of the immigration forms (item 1) and original police certificates.
- Send notarized photocopies of all other documents, unless instructed otherwise.

This means that all photocopies of your official documents must be notarized.

2. Don't stress. With proof of the PR app and proof of funds to support your extended stay, there is pretty much no chance of refusal.

 

[S92]

Thank you!
Proof of PR application and proof of funds would be enough? someone told me i have to get a plane ticket for 6 moths later than the current visa expiry date, is that right in my case? because i'm not planning on leaving Canada, they told me i should just "get" a ticket back home, other than wasting 900$ i don't find any reason in it, am i right?
Thanks a lot !!!

 

[S92]

By the way what can serve as a proof of PR application?

 

[canuck_in_uk]

Proof of PR application and proof of funds would be enough? someone told me i have to get a plane ticket for 6 moths later than the current visa expiry date, is that right in my case? because i'm not planning on leaving Canada, they told me i should just "get" a ticket back home, other than wasting 900$ i don't find any reason in it, am i right?

No, you don't need to purchase a plane ticket. That is advised for when people are entering Canada, not when they are already in Canada and extending visitor status.

Proof of the PR app can be the fee receipt, the medical receipt, proof of postage, AOR or sponsor approval if you have it by then.

 

[S92]

Thank you, if you don't mind i have a question about the notarization,
As stated at the beginning of the country-specific guide for Israel:

- Send originals of the immigration forms (item 1) and original police certificates.
- Send notarized photocopies of all other documents, unless instructed otherwise.

They ask for the originals of:
- Option C.
- Police certificate.
- Medical examinations.

They didn't indicate anything about:
- Birth certificate.
- Marriage certificate.

Even though my Birth certificate is Hebrew-English and the marriage certificate is a Canadian one, a lawyer told me they still have to be notarized as a "true copy" as nothing else was indicated about them. Is that right? if i send my original birth certificate they'll accept it? (i don't need it back cuz i have 2 original ones).

Thank you!

 

[canuck_in_uk]

- Send notarized photocopies of all other documents, unless instructed otherwise.

They didn't indicate anything about:
- Birth certificate.
- Marriage certificate.

As the guide does not instruct otherwise for those documents, you must send notarized copies. I suppose you could send an original birth certificate and just include a note explaining that it was easier than getting a notarization done and you don't need it back.

 

[S92]

Thanks a lot!
In the "Supplementary information form" provided in the immigrant's guide i have to fill my name, the date and "File #", what am i supposed to fill in "File number" field?
Thank you!