Feds bust 1800 phony Canadians

[awor]

http://www.edmontonsun.com/2011/07/19/feds-bust-1800-phony-canadians

OTTAWA - The federal government is moving to strip 1,800 people of their Canadian citizenship after concluding they became citizens using fraudulent means, QMI Agency has learned.

"These people are costing taxpayers a lot of money," said a senior government official who had knowledge of the investigation. "And they are undermining public support for immigration. We don't want to allow fraud like this."

Thumbs up from me. While I hope no genuine cases get caught in this, I'm glad to see Canada putting their foot down.

 

[CharlieD10]

"Putting their foot down" is a relative term, when it comes to Canada. Over the past few days I've read a number of articles about KNOWN criminals, mass murderers and terrorists even, who are openly living in Canada in order to escape prosecution for crimes committed in their own countries. Canada will not allow them to be extradited, because some of them have been accused of/are known to have committed crimes serious enough to merit the death penalty according to the laws of these countries, and Canada doesn't support capital punishment. From many of the comments I read, many people were of the opinion that Canada ought simply to hang out a shingle welcoming criminals, inviting them to come in and file (bogus) refugee claims, live off public funds and access public services.

Meanwhile, having never committed a crime in my life, I made the huge "mistake" of falling in love with a Canadian, whom I met and married, all quite legally. I, of course, am not really "welcome" and they'll stall and drag out the process as much as possible by allocating as few resources as possible to processing my perfectly legal application for permission to enter the country legally.

What is it we say here in Jamaica? "The man who plays by the rules gets shafted"! Nice to know no matter where I am in the world, some things will never change.

 

[dair2dv8103100]

"The 1,800 who are being targeted by the federal government will have the right to challenge the accusation in federal court, a process the department of justice itself says is complex and could take years to resolve.

And, throughout those legal proceedings, the affected individual will continue to enjoy all the right and privileges of Canadian citizenship."

I agree that it is about time! But that quote above is where it can get tricky and can cost Canadian taxpayers a large sum too. To have potentially 1800 people clogging up an already heavily used system, the cost of the trials...reprimanded here, delayed there. And I am sure the bill will lay in our hands at the end because with deportation I am guessing these people are not going to be sending Western Union to pay the courts fee etc.. :

But I definitely agree something has to be done ...so...we pay one way or another.

 

[dair2dv8103100]

"Putting their foot down" is a relative term, when it comes to Canada. Over the past few days I've read a number of articles about KNOWN criminals, mass murderers and terrorists even, who are openly living in Canada in order to escape prosecution for crimes committed in their own countries. Canada will not allow them to be extradited, because some of them have been accused of/are known to have committed crimes serious enough to merit the death penalty according to the laws of these countries, and Canada doesn't support capital punishment. From many of the comments I read, many people were of the opinion that Canada ought simply to hang out a shingle welcoming criminals, inviting them to come in and file (bogus) refugee claims, live off public funds and access public services.

Meanwhile, having never committed a crime in my life, I made the huge "mistake" of falling in love with a Canadian, whom I met and married, all quite legally. I, of course, am not really "welcome" and they'll stall and drag out the process as much as possible by allocating as few resources as possible to processing my perfectly legal application for permission to enter the country legally.

What is it we say here in Jamaica? "The man who plays by the rules gets shafted"! Nice to know no matter where I am in the world, some things will never change.

Agreed !! 8)

 

[aerogurl87]

I just told my boyfriend about this article and he smiled and said that "maybe Canada is finally growing a pair." But I agree with dair2dv8103100. The trials themselves, in addition to the appeals that the accused will most definitely go for, will cost taxpayers alot also. Hopefully though all of them will be deported sooner rather than later so it won't cost as much as something that is drawn out for years and years to come.

 

[awor]

Points taken I am hopeful it sends a message to the jerks who are lying that it's not worth it...in the end they'll get caught.

I can be overly optimistic though LOL

 

[CharlieD10]

But I agree with dair2dv8103100. The trials themselves, in addition to the appeals that the accused will most definitely go for, will cost taxpayers alot also. Hopefully though all of them will be deported sooner rather than later so it won't cost as much as something that is drawn out for years and years to come.

There's a Chinese guy wanted by China for massive corruption among other charges. He's been in Canada for the past twelve (12) years. Canada still hasn't made up their minds to deport him, even though his refugee claim has been denied and appealed all the way to Federal Court and back, as far as the process can go, and he has had TWO negative Pre-Removal Risk Assessments. Beijing has even made certain concessions regarding the charges, and still he's not left Canada. Methinks he's not going anywhere soon, as long as he has enough money to pay lawyers.

 

[awor]

There's a Chinese guy wanted by China for massive corruption among other charges. He's been in Canada for the past twelve (12) years. Canada still hasn't made up their minds to deport him, even though his refugee claim has been denied and appealed all the way to Federal Court and back, as far as the process can go, and he has had TWO negative Pre-Removal Risk Assessments. Beijing has even made certain concessions regarding the charges, and still he's not left Canada. Methinks he's not going anywhere soon, as long as he has enough money to pay lawyers.

I really don't understand people like this. Who would choose to live that kind of life? It's insane. Maybe he'll die early from all the stress, I know I probably would :/

 

[sthomas]

There's a Chinese guy wanted by China for massive corruption among other charges. He's been in Canada for the past twelve (12) years. Canada still hasn't made up their minds to deport him, even though his refugee claim has been denied and appealed all the way to Federal Court and back, as far as the process can go, and he has had TWO negative Pre-Removal Risk Assessments. Beijing has even made certain concessions regarding the charges, and still he's not left Canada. Methinks he's not going anywhere soon, as long as he has enough money to pay lawyers.

12 years??? WOW ... funny to think that spouses of Canadians from visa exempt countries are usually not given tourist visa (while waiting for PR) for the reason that they might overstay .... and they allowed criminals to stay that long? I know there is what we call international blah blah blah ... but still, I cannot understand .....

 

[sthomas]

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/fraudulently+obtained+feds+plan+revoke+citizenship/5127302/story.html

This article explains more ....

 

[eyeoftheocean]

"Putting their foot down" is a relative term, when it comes to Canada. Over the past few days I've read a number of articles about KNOWN criminals, mass murderers and terrorists even, who are openly living in Canada in order to escape prosecution for crimes committed in their own countries. Canada will not allow them to be extradited, because some of them have been accused of/are known to have committed crimes serious enough to merit the death penalty according to the laws of these countries, and Canada doesn't support capital punishment. From many of the comments I read, many people were of the opinion that Canada ought simply to hang out a shingle welcoming criminals, inviting them to come in and file (bogus) refugee claims, live off public funds and access public services.

Meanwhile, having never committed a crime in my life, I made the huge "mistake" of falling in love with a Canadian, whom I met and married, all quite legally. I, of course, am not really "welcome" and they'll stall and drag out the process as much as possible by allocating as few resources as possible to processing my perfectly legal application for permission to enter the country legally.

What is it we say here in Jamaica? "The man who plays by the rules gets shafted"! Nice to know no matter where I am in the world, some things will never change.

Totally agree with you ! Im having a huge problem to , and yet Canada let terrorists stay and protect them , including the Tamil Tigers , well that was the last time the boat came in !

 

[TGR]

Good riddence to all those who abuse the system. It makes it so difficult for the majority of us and our spouses who have no criminal records, pay our taxes and just want to get on with our lives. I feel like this entire immigration process has put my life on hold.

 

[eletyl]

wow, the comments on that article are so offensive. ranging from the "immigration department should be closed up pending investigation" to "I guess you are right. Not ever been through the process...I think you just have to pay a tax, sign your name and pledge to become a citizen."

they obviously have NO IDEA what legit citizens have to go through to get there..

 

[canuck0469]

Many of us here have gone or are going through the "painful immigration process" to be with our loved ones in Canada. Most Canadians detest the fact that we have mass murderers, drug lords etc living among us and may not approve of some of our laws. I strongly disagree that marrying a Canadian is a "mistake" though Charlie. Canadian law seems unfair to many but it still is a good example to the world at large. Our leaders have yet to declare open war on it's citizens or exterminate political opponents as in many countries. We have the ability to change the laws we oppose. Saying farewell to 1,800 illegals is a good start, can't wait for it to be 18,000. (Do not mistake that comment for being anti-immigrant, my grandparents were all immgrants and I am married to PR living in CA). No doubt that some of the illegals are among the unwelcome or they would have joined us in a legal manner. We are all doing it legal and know it is a pain in the ass, but, still we are doing it the right way. The 1,800 can certainly apply through legal channels. A country should not be portrayed by one law alone.
I congratulate all of you for doing this in a legal, albiet painful, fashion.

 

[CrazyLucy]

I have very mixed feelings on this subject and a few questions. How do they find out these people have fraudulent paperwork? What are these people doing with their time in Canada? Are they just coming here for the benefits? Are they going to college and getting a decent job? Are they contributing to the economy? When people think 'illegal immigrant' a lot of people picture a lazy person who just wants to mooch off the land. I am in no means supporting illegals, I dont recommend their path at all, but I'm not just going to get out my picket sign and blindly dislike someone because they have 'illegal' stamped on their forehead.

It reminds me of this story of a guy who had illegal immigrant parents, took him to the US and hoped the best for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjGrfkVHeAc&feature=channel_video_title