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Correction needed on Mailed Application (Physical Presence Calculator)

ys2fong

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Mar 28, 2020
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I just mailed my full citizenship application 3 days ago on March 25th (Wednesday), but I realized now that I forgot to include some of my absences back in 2015 (I had a 4-month work term in UK and a 1 week vacation in Cuba). With this correction and additional absences, my eligibility and total physical presence remains unchanged at 1,106 and I am still eligible to apply. What should I do now? How should I contact them to provide them with a new piece of Physical Presence Calculator with those corrections and my signature? Any advice is greatly appreciated, thank you all.
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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I just mailed my full citizenship application 3 days ago on March 25th (Wednesday), but I realized now that I forgot to include some of my absences back in 2015 (I had a 4-month work term in UK and a 1 week vacation in Cuba). With this correction and additional absences, my eligibility and total physical presence remains unchanged at 1,106 and I am still eligible to apply. What should I do now? How should I contact them to provide them with a new piece of Physical Presence Calculator with those corrections and my signature? Any advice is greatly appreciated, thank you all.
Assuming you are correct, that there is NO change in the total calculation of days present in Canada (which, frankly, does NOT make sense; addressed more below) . . .

There is little or nothing you can do until AOR and you have a file number for this application. Once you have that, you can mail a correction (with explanation, keeping it very brief) referencing the file number, or (I believe) use the webform access to update this information (others here are far more familiar than I am with this procedure).

Or you can wait until scheduled for the interview (probably no sooner than sometime in 2021, given the current situation), and be prepared to offer the correct information during the interview. Either proactively or waiting until asked.

Generally, if the information has no impact on the physical presence calculation outcome (number of days credited toward meeting the presence requirement), and thus cannot have any impact on whether the applicant is qualified, and is not otherwise misleading, there is NO rush to make corrections. IRCC realizes applicants make mistakes, and mistakes of little or no import generally cause no problems. Applicants should be prepared to correct and explain the mistake, especially so if asked, but mistakes not directly related to qualifying elements rarely trigger problems.


THAT SAID . . . it is NOT clear how it is, given 130 or so days additionally absent from Canada during your eligibility period, that your "eligibility and total physical presence remains unchanged at 1,106." DOES NOT ADD UP.

If you did not report having residence status in Canada during that period of time, in 2015, so that in the presence calculation you submitted there was NO credit for being IN Canada those days in 2015, then correcting the travel history would not affect the total.

The way you have described the situation, however, indicates you did have residence status, and was in Canada, back in 2015, and in your presence calculation you reported this period of time as days IN Canada. You did not report approximately 130 days absence during that time. In which event, if you otherwise correctly and completely entered information in the online physical presence calculator, except failing to report the times you were absent (approximately 130 days), for that time period the calculator output would have given you credit for approximately 65 days (pre-PR days counting as half-days) toward the presence requirement. Now, reporting those days as days absent should, thus, change the total output calculation by subtracting the credit of 65 days. CHANGING the total physical presence calculation. Reducing it by 65 days.


OVERALL --


I will not attempt to guess what your situation actually is. You report that even after including the absences in 2015, that the total presence calculation remains unchanged and is still above the 1095 day minimum. If you are correct about this, there should not be a problem. Once you get AOR you can make the correction.

BUT if the calculation you submitted with the application included pre-PR credit for days you were in Canada in 2015, this will change the total. And in that event, there are other aspects of this to consider and address.
 

ys2fong

Newbie
Mar 28, 2020
7
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Assuming you are correct, that there is NO change in the total calculation of days present in Canada (which, frankly, does NOT make sense; addressed more below) . . .

There is little or nothing you can do until AOR and you have a file number for this application. Once you have that, you can mail a correction (with explanation, keeping it very brief) referencing the file number, or (I believe) use the webform access to update this information (others here are far more familiar than I am with this procedure).

Or you can wait until scheduled for the interview (probably no sooner than sometime in 2021, given the current situation), and be prepared to offer the correct information during the interview. Either proactively or waiting until asked.

Generally, if the information has no impact on the physical presence calculation outcome (number of days credited toward meeting the presence requirement), and thus cannot have any impact on whether the applicant is qualified, and is not otherwise misleading, there is NO rush to make corrections. IRCC realizes applicants make mistakes, and mistakes of little or no import generally cause no problems. Applicants should be prepared to correct and explain the mistake, especially so if asked, but mistakes not directly related to qualifying elements rarely trigger problems.


THAT SAID . . . it is NOT clear how it is, given 130 or so days additionally absent from Canada during your eligibility period, that your "eligibility and total physical presence remains unchanged at 1,106." DOES NOT ADD UP.

If you did not report having residence status in Canada during that period of time, in 2015, so that in the presence calculation you submitted there was NO credit for being IN Canada those days in 2015, then correcting the travel history would not affect the total.

The way you have described the situation, however, indicates you did have residence status, and was in Canada, back in 2015, and in your presence calculation you reported this period of time as days IN Canada. You did not report approximately 130 days absence during that time. In which event, if you otherwise correctly and completely entered information in the online physical presence calculator, except failing to report the times you were absent (approximately 130 days), for that time period the calculator output would have given you credit for approximately 65 days (pre-PR days counting as half-days) toward the presence requirement. Now, reporting those days as days absent should, thus, change the total output calculation by subtracting the credit of 65 days. CHANGING the total physical presence calculation. Reducing it by 65 days.


OVERALL --


I will not attempt to guess what your situation actually is. You report that even after including the absences in 2015, that the total presence calculation remains unchanged and is still above the 1095 day minimum. If you are correct about this, there should not be a problem. Once you get AOR you can make the correction.

BUT if the calculation you submitted with the application included pre-PR credit for days you were in Canada in 2015, this will change the total. And in that event, there are other aspects of this to consider and address.
Hey, appreciate the detailed response.

I was planning to proactively reach out to them via the IRCC Webform (https://secure.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/canada-case-cas-eng.aspx) to let them know about this issue and upload my new and corrected Physical Presence Calculator (with my signature and dated March 25th as per the original). Does this sound like the right channel and approach?

With regards to your concern on the days, here is the breakdown:
Original
Physical Presence as PR: Total credit - 741
Physical Presence as Temporary Resident - Total credit - Calendar Days: 1004, Credit: 365
Total Physical Presence: 1,106 (741+365)

Corrected

Physical Presence as PR: Total credit - 741
Physical Presence as Temporary Resident - Total credit - Calendar Days: 880, Credit: 365
Total Physical Presence: 1,106 (741+365)


As you can see, I had more than enough calendar days from my physical presence as temporary resident, so the maximum credit (0.5*days) that I received of 365 days did not change, even though my total calendar days as temporary resident decreased. Let me know if this makes sense. Thanks for your help!
 

dpenabill

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Apr 2, 2010
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I was planning to proactively reach out to them via the IRCC Webform (https://secure.cic.gc.ca/enquiries-renseignements/canada-case-cas-eng.aspx) to let them know about this issue and upload my new and corrected Physical Presence Calculator (with my signature and dated March 25th as per the original). Does this sound like the right channel and approach?
Yes. But you still should wait until you get AOR and a file number. An attempt to submit this before you have an application file number to reference will more likely than not fail to work.

As you can see, I had more than enough calendar days from my physical presence as temporary resident, so the maximum credit (0.5*days) that I received of 365 days did not change, even though my total calendar days as temporary resident decreased. Let me know if this makes sense.
OK. Yes, that makes sense. Probably means the mistake is of very little import (beyond the obvious, which applies to all of us, that it illustrates we tend to not be entirely reliable reporters of fact . . . as in we all make mistakes).

And while generally, especially for applicants relying on pre-PR credit, a margin bigger than just ten or eleven days, over the minimum, is more prudent, where your pre-PR days IN Canada are more than 730, that builds in some additional margin, at least relative to the credit for pre-PR days IN Canada (as precisely is the case: you were absent approximately 130 more days than initially reported, but you had a big enough margin over 730, pre-PR, that deducting those days did not deduct any days from the total credit).
 
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@ys2fong

I am in a similar situation as you and after adjusting for unreported absences from Canada I still fulfill the physical presence requirement.

I was wondering are you waiting for AOR or have you submitted the revised physical residency calculator through the web form and did IRCC acknowledge the receipt of the new physical residency form.

Thanks.
 

ys2fong

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Mar 28, 2020
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@ys2fong

I am in a similar situation as you and after adjusting for unreported absences from Canada I still fulfill the physical presence requirement.

I was wondering are you waiting for AOR or have you submitted the revised physical residency calculator through the web form and did IRCC acknowledge the receipt of the new physical residency form.

Thanks.
Hi there, I just received my AOR and I am planning to submit the revised physical residency calculator through the web form now. Good luck!