Chris Alexander responds to a simple question RE: INLAND applicants

[Ponga]

This was originally posted in the Inland 2013 thread, but I feel it needs more visibility:

...And for your viewing pleasure, Chris Alexander's weak response to a pointed question about inland sponsorship today in the house of commons (thanks to the producers of "The Backlog" Documentary for this). Starts at 38:17

http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/question-period/episodes/37551661/

If you haven't visited the webpage for The Backlog, I recommend taking a look

http://thebacklogdoc.blogspot.ca/



[Credit to gfdvca for originally posting this]

 

[Ponga]

He was specifically asked about those that have applied IN Canada, but answered by boasting that he was so proud to say that they've improved the processing times and that it includes family reunification.

Family reunification pertains to those that have applied OUTSIDE of Canada.

 

[canuck_in_uk]

The beginning of the homepage has a large image that states "It currently takes more than two years for the spouse of a Canadian to become a Permanent Resident."

As we all know on this forum, that is a non factual statement; many are approved in as little as a few months. However, those who aren't active on this forum and haven't gone through this process (which is, of course, the majority of the population) will not be aware that it is a non factual statement. As with pretty much all of the these websites/petitions/etc, they fail to state clear and accurate information and try to manipulate data to make the situation look different than it actually is.

 

[Ponga]

The beginning of the homepage has a large image that states "It currently takes more than two years for the spouse of a Canadian to become a Permanent Resident."

As we all know on this forum, that is a non factual statement; many are approved in as little as a few months. However, those who aren't active on this forum and haven't gone through this process (which is, of course, the majority of the population) will not be aware that it is a non factual statement. As with pretty much all of the these websites/petitions/etc, they fail to state clear and accurate information and try to manipulate data to make the situation look different than it actually is.

Yes, but in their defense, they are talking about the Inland path:

The first immigration category that caught our attention was the one affecting Canadians marrying non-Canadians already in the country: Inland Spousal Sponsorship.

However, I do agree that it's still not accurate because they don't even mention that a person IN Canada can in fact submit an Outland application.

Why is this `magic pill' such a secret to most people?!?! Oh...I know why...because of the ridiculous semantics game concerning the word LIVING when used with CIC and CBSA.

 

[rhcohen2014]

it would also be nice if the media actually reported the facts correctly. (i know - hopeless dreaming!) there are hardly any mentions about the 2 different streams and the fact that most applicants (when outside canada) are approved in LESS than 1 year.

 

[Ponga]

it would also be nice if the media actually reported the facts correctly. (i know - hopeless dreaming!) there are hardly any mentions about the 2 different streams and the fact that most applicants (when outside canada) are approved in LESS than 1 year.

But that only adds to the confusion...when you say "when outside Canada"! Most people think that if they are LIVING in Canada, they have no choice but to submit an Inland application.

If CIC really wanted to help people (and greatly reduce Inland applications) they would clarify the language to explain HOW a person IN CANADA can in fact submit an Outland application.

 

[screech339]

But that only adds to the confusion...when you say "when outside Canada"! Most people think that if they are LIVING in Canada, they have no choice but to submit an Inland application.

If CIC really wanted to help people (and greatly reduce Inland applications) they would clarify the language to explain HOW a person IN CANADA can in fact submit an Outland application.

I do agree with you on the language of how "inland" and "outland" application can apply. They can easily put up a table with one side listing two options "living in Canada" and "living outside Canada". The other side lists "outland and inland" options with pros and cons for "in Canada" and "outland" for "living outside Canada". Can also expand table to define dependent sponsorship only have outland option regardless if dependents are in Canada or not.

Also have another table spelling out every type of visas that can get "implied status" and which don't. This would clear up any mud regarding IEC, PGWP, WH, etc, etc. This way the language is clear, no confusion. No legal jargon for an average folk to figure out.

 

[rhcohen2014]

But that only adds to the confusion...when you say "when outside Canada"! Most people think that if they are LIVING in Canada, they have no choice but to submit an Inland application.

If CIC really wanted to help people (and greatly reduce Inland applications) they would clarify the language to explain HOW a person IN CANADA can in fact submit an Outland application.

very true. what i meant was BEING PROCESSED outside canada. It definitely needs to be more clear than just a 1 liner in the very beginning of the inland guide. i'm assuming most people are skipping that part and don't realize the option is still there for them. Also, it would help if immigration officers, the call center, attorneys and representatives knew and provided the correct information!