Chosen to go with Outland Application, but a few things....

[Baffled]

Baffled here!

First time poster, less baffled after reading Leon's sticky, but a few things:

- I am currently in Canada on my second visitor visa extension due to expire in June 2015. Not allowed to extend again until I prove the PR application is being done or in process.
- I am here with my girlfriend and daughter, not working, not going to school, but to visit and take care of our daughter while my girlfriend works.
- We always thought, well I am in Canada we should apply as INLAND. After reading Leon's sticky post we now know we do not have to do that, so changing all our info to OUTLAND. Less wait period. We have tons of data showing we've been in a conjugal relationship for more than 3 years.

Now, the "...but a few thigns..."
When I came to visit BC, Canada I drove my personal vehicle in. I have been in Canada well over a year. I am told I will need to convert, to shorten down all the details, my car into a BC driving vehicle or go across the Canada/US border to reset my 6 month visit into Canada. Here are some things I need some possible clarifications on:

I called ICBC, they say that I am still just visiting with a visitor visa, if I went across the border to Alberta and visit for a bit, take pictures, obtain some receipts that I have been in Alberta, my 6 months gets reset for my vehicle requirements. True or False?

Secondly, if I drove my car across the Canada/US border the likelyhood of being allowed back into Canada would be VERY slim without documentation. I've been refused to enter for my daughters birth, so I am familiar with the process. So, what would my insurance possibly say about my extended stay in Canada?

Any ideas?


Thanks in advance,

Baffled

 

[Ponga]

Have you and your girlfriend lived together for 1 full year?

If so, do you have sufficient proof that you've been living at the same address (joint lease, utility bills, bank account, cell plan, etc.)?

You will not qualify if you apply as a Conjugal Partner, so you have no choice but to apply as a Common-Law partner (if you do qualify).
This means that your girlfriend should now be referred to as your partner

The fact that you have a child together will eliminate the Condition 51 that many couples have, if they've been in their relationship (as a married or Common-Law couple) for less than 2 years on the day that CIC received the PR application. Just to clarify, if a couple starts living together on Jan 1, 2015, they will `become' Common-law on Jan 1, 2016. This means that if they applied at anytime prior to Jan 2, 2018, and did not have a child together, they would likely have Condition 51, which simply means that they must continue cohabiting for 2 more years.

The ICBC suggestion really makes no sense, since there is no way for them (or anyone) to know when you leave the Province and enter Alberta.
The only time this is `tracked' is when you cross the U.S. border. Who's to say that a person going to Alberta to take a few pictures, even drove their own vehicle?

Crossing the U.S. border, without at least having proof that the Sponsorship application has been submitted, could be risky since you likely have little, if any, real ties in the U.S. (job, house, etc.) which is what CBSA needs to see.

Good luck!

 

[Baffled]

Actually it's the Common-Law Partnership we will not be able to apply for. Common-Law Partnership is the one that requires 12 months proof of living together. Conjugal is where we need to prove we have had relations with each other and need to provide emails, messages, phone records, photos, etc. I mean we have lived together for more than one year, but we share no records to indicate it such as billing, cell phone, bank records....etc.

 

[Ponga]

Actually it's the Common-Law Partnership we will not be able to apply for. Common-Law Partnership is the one that requires 12 months proof of living together. Conjugal is where we need to prove we have had relations with each other and need to provide emails, messages, phone records, photos, etc.

The very fact that you are now in Canada, with your partner, means that you will NOT qualify if you submit a Conjugal Partner Sponsorship application!

This type of application is only for those that cannot live together because of immigration barriers.

Conjugal relations pertains to married and common-law couples too, in regards to their physical relationship.

 

[Baffled]

Ah, I see. I read on these forum pages that people have been doing the same thing I assumed. My legal permanent residence is in Washington, so I figured it could apply here also. Thanks for the correction.

 

[Ponga]

Actually it's the Common-Law Partnership we will not be able to apply for. Common-Law Partnership is the one that requires 12 months proof of living together. Conjugal is where we need to prove we have had relations with each other and need to provide emails, messages, phone records, photos, etc. I mean we have lived together for more than one year, but we share no records to indicate it such as billing, cell phone, bank records....etc.

You absolutely have to (somehow) prove that you've been living under the same roof.

Can she ask her landlord (if she's renting) for a letter verifying that you've been living there for the last 12 months? If so, this letter would need to be notarized and s/he should also show proof that s/he is in fact the landlord/owner of the property. This would be a good first step.

If not, you will need to think about a date that you can show proof from and count forward to reach the 1 full year mark. CIC does NOT give any leniency in this, because it is the absolute foundation for a Common-Law sponsorship.

FYI, you can usually get a joint bank account at TD Bank, Scotia Bank and RBC, even though you are a `visitor'.

 

[Baffled]

Ah, I see. Okay. She has been dealing with real estate and property managers for renting. So, we could possibly ask them for a letterhead letter stating I've been living with her. We've moved once from the time I have been her. I will pass on the information to her. We are waiting another 4 to 6 weeks for my background check anyway a total of 18 weeks wait time . So much waiting.

I am confused about the medical exam though. It says I am required to get one then on their medical exam check list is says I am not required that US citizens are exempt..should I or not?

Baffled once again

 

[Ponga]

Everyone, including U.S. citizens, are required to have the medical exam.

Where did you read otherwise?

 

[Baffled]

Oh, never mind, alright so its for temp residents you have resided in Canada that do not require medical exams. My fault. More to do lists .

 

[Baffled]

Just worked up about all of this talk.

2 to 6 years for an inland application never being able to leave Canada
medical exam costs
vehicle requirements, imports, taxes, etc.
...am I missing anything lol

 

[MilesAway]

Just worked up about all of this talk.

2 to 6 years for an inland application never being able to leave Canada
medical exam costs
vehicle requirements, imports, taxes, etc.
...am I missing anything lol

Yes, you are. 6 years is nowhere near accurate, for inland or outland. It seems you are adding numbers together for no reason. Inland and outland are separate, and thus have separate timelines. I answered this in the other thread, but just in case, here it is again.

Inland: Currently taking 2+ years (17 months for stage 1 and 10 months for stage 2). This timeline only seems to get longer.

Outland: 2 months for stage 1 and 15 months for stage 2, according to CIC (Ottawa handles US applicants, not LA. Look closely at the CIC site). NOTE: US applicants have been getting through stage 2 in 6-10 months, so the 15 months posted is a worst case scenario for outland, whereas it's basically a guarantee for inland.

The processes are separate, so you do not combine the timelines. It's like someone asking you how many dogs you have, so you take the number of dogs (2 for example) and also decide that you have a tank full of minnows (say 50), so therefore you have 52 dogs.

 

[Ponga]

Just worked up about all of this talk.

2 to 6 years for an inland application never being able to leave Canada
medical exam costs
vehicle requirements, imports, taxes, etc.
...am I missing anything lol

? ? ? ?

Why are you making this worse than it has to be?!

An Inland application does NOT take 6 years! As I've already told you, it's currently taking ~ 2 years for most applicants.

Medical exam, FBI PCC fee, fees for the sponsorship application ($1040).

You will be allowed to declare the items that you wish to move, so you will not have to pay duties and taxes on those item when you officially `land' as a Permanent Resident. Importing your vehicle is a bit of a hassle, but certainly very doable.

Have you decided between the Outland and Inland application? Unless you really need to work, I'd strongly suggest Outland!

FYI, you can work remotely via the internet/phone as long as you are not working for, or are remunerated by a Canadian company or individual.

 

[Ponga]

The processes are separate, so you do not combine the timelines. It's like someone asking you how many dogs you have, so you take the number of dogs (2 for example) and also decide that you have a tank full of minnows (say 50), so therefore you have 52 dogs.

That's hilarious!

+ 1

 

[Baffled]

LOL I am totally sorry. Thanks for clearing everything up. I was adding things that shouldn't be added and was just, as you said, "making it worse than it actually is." So 2 years time. We will get letters from the property managements stating I have been living with my girlfriend from date/to date, so Inland application will be the route to go, that way I can also work.

As for working online, I have been, just pro bono. Also no one from Canada. And that is great to know, thanks again. Making games is something I love to do, so not going to stop making them, plus its good for the portfolio. Thanks for everything.

 

[Ponga]

LOL I am totally sorry. Thanks for clearing everything up. I was adding things that shouldn't be added and was just, as you said, "making it worse than it actually is." So 2 years time. We will get letters from the property managements stating I have been living with my girlfriend from date/to date, so Inland application will be the route to go, that way I can also work.

As for working online, I have been, just pro bono. Also no one from Canada. And that is great to know, thanks again. Making games is something I love to do, so not going to stop making them, plus its good for the portfolio. Thanks for everything.

Keep in mind two very important caveats with an Inland application:

1. You have no rights to an appeal if your application is denied.

2. You are advised not to leave Canada while the application is being processed.
If you leave and are refused re-entry, your application may be cancelled.

I can certainly understand the idea of wanting to work sooner than later, but just be sure you understand what you're really signing up for with an Inland application. Yikes!


Good luck!