Canada National Student Clearinghouse

[namp1]

I am an american student wanting a fresh start. I was hoping to attend a canadian university, apply to an allied health program with the intention of earning a BA and applying for permanent residency. I cannot transfer my extensive academic, and mostly negative history. Hence, I will start as a freshman. I will not state my past academic attendance, degree conferred.
From my understanding there is no Canadian equivalent to the National Student Clearinghouse, that tracks all academic history for a fee and sells it to universities? Furthermore, is it a policy of Canadian licensing agencies to demand credit report history in the hopes of uncovering past academic history.

I'm looking for the feasibility of this solution. I am much older than you, have been abused and scammed by higher academia, and do not need further Victorian sterness from the peanut gallery. I need a career so I can responsibly support a family. I feel I have to leave the country for this due to the Clearinghouse and my loan history (all paid) with the U.S. federal government.

 

[Josh21]

Would help if you could go into a bit more detail on your situation.

What happened? How bad is your history exactly? How have you been abused/scammed?

If your loan history confirms that its all paid, I dont see how that's a reason for you to leave the country?

Surely, Canadian universities will also wonder what you have been doing for the past few years when you apply aswell. Do you just plan to not tell them anything regarding your academic history?

 

[namp1]

The purpose of immigrating to CA would be to leave my past behind. I was vindictively disciplinarily dismissed at one grad program, and academically at another. I have good reasons, but no one cares in puritan america (at least not people that have to toe the line in admissions.)
My plan is to start over at a Canadian university. If I have to I can get some pre reqs as I have been out of high school for over ten years now. I wish to eventually do masters work in a certain health care field. I grew up near CA and dont mind the weather and appreciate the people, more progressive politics, etc. Because of the clearing house, U.S. students cannot start over once poor performance or black balled at a previous institution.
My question is the feasiblity of my plan vis-a-vis starting fresh, clandestinely, at a CA university and then vie for permanent residency. I have read the PR form. They want a ten year history. I could keep certain parts blank or put it all down. (I don't think they would check the CA uni's records on my admissions.) Likewise, I don't think there is a way a CA university or licensing board could track down my history save look at some paid off loans and cross check it with my CA uni's application. Do any CA boards or schools do that? The clearinghouse works with fees. Why would a CA university pay such fees when the clearinghouse only tracks U.S. students?

Would help if you could go into a bit more detail on your situation.

What happened? How bad is your history exactly? How have you been abused/scammed?

If your loan history confirms that its all paid, I dont see how that's a reason for you to leave the country?

Surely, Canadian universities will also wonder what you have been doing for the past few years when you apply aswell. Do you just plan to not tell them anything regarding your academic history?

 

[Josh21]

The purpose of immigrating to CA would be to leave my past behind. I was vindictively disciplinarily dismissed at one grad program, and academically at another. I have good reasons, but no one cares in puritan america (at least not people that have to toe the line in admissions.)
My plan is to start over at a Canadian university. If I have to I can get some pre reqs as I have been out of high school for over ten years now. I wish to eventually do masters work in a certain health care field. I grew up near CA and dont mind the weather and appreciate the people, more progressive politics, etc. Because of the clearing house, U.S. students cannot start over once poor performance or black balled at a previous institution.
My question is the feasiblity of my plan vis-a-vis starting fresh, clandestinely, at a CA university and then vie for permanent residency. I have read the PR form. They want a ten year history. I could keep certain parts blank or put it all down. (I don't think they would check the CA uni's records on my admissions.) Likewise, I don't think there is a way a CA university or licensing board could track down my history save look at some paid off loans and cross check it with my CA uni's application. Do any CA boards or schools do that? The clearinghouse works with fees. Why would a CA university pay such fees when the clearinghouse only tracks U.S. students?

The CA universities wont check as long as you give them some sort of logical story. Takes too much time and resources to do that for each student that looks odd. Given that your applying for a post high school course and its been about 10 years since you went to high school, I would imagine that you'd need to do a fair share of explaining as to what you've been upto. They wont cross check it as long as you give them something reasonable.

PR is a little different though. Lets assume you start your B.A and graduate in 3 years. You'll probably be using CEC as the route to PR which will require about a year or two worth of work experience prior to applying. In that case, you only need to provide 5 years of history prior to you starting your degree which is ok I guess. To be honest I dont think the CA Government is bothered about your history as long as you've graduated and fit the criteria for PR. It's your choice whether to put it all down or leave some parts blank when you apply years from now. Either way, I dont think they're concerned. They only cross check stuff like criminal history etc with the U.S for immigration.

I see no problem with your plan per say, its all good in theory, if that's what you wanted to hear.

 

[tomsware]

The purpose of immigrating to CA would be to leave my past behind. I was vindictively disciplinarily dismissed at one grad program, and academically at another. I have good reasons, but no one cares in puritan america (at least not people that have to toe the line in admissions.)
My plan is to start over at a Canadian university. If I have to I can get some pre reqs as I have been out of high school for over ten years now. I wish to eventually do masters work in a certain health care field. I grew up near CA and dont mind the weather and appreciate the people, more progressive politics, etc. Because of the clearing house, U.S. students cannot start over once poor performance or black balled at a previous institution.
My question is the feasiblity of my plan vis-a-vis starting fresh, clandestinely, at a CA university and then vie for permanent residency. I have read the PR form. They want a ten year history. I could keep certain parts blank or put it all down. (I don't think they would check the CA uni's records on my admissions.) Likewise, I don't think there is a way a CA university or licensing board could track down my history save look at some paid off loans and cross check it with my CA uni's application. Do any CA boards or schools do that? The clearinghouse works with fees. Why would a CA university pay such fees when the clearinghouse only tracks U.S. students?




i also think that they only cross check stuff like criminal history etc with the U.S for immigration.

 

[namp1]

i'm thinking nursing. with a further persuance of an NP or masters. Conversely, I also had interest in an education degree for high school or a bio masters for the purpose of teaching at a junior college. I'm worried though with the latter two. I hear CA high school jobs are very difficult to get and in the u.s. almost all junior college jobs have been reduced to adjunct wasteland.
I assume nursing is a solid job offer? It's tough to say what is really in demand on that list.

Also, someone mentioned they wont check. How is it possible for them to check without the benefit of the clearinghouse's spy program?

 

[Josh21]

i'm thinking nursing. with a further persuance of an NP or masters. Conversely, I also had interest in an education degree for high school or a bio masters for the purpose of teaching at a junior college. I'm worried though with the latter two. I hear CA high school jobs are very difficult to get and in the u.s. almost all junior college jobs have been reduced to adjunct wasteland.
I assume nursing is a solid job offer? It's tough to say what is really in demand on that list.

Also, someone mentioned they wont check. How is it possible for them to check without the benefit of the clearinghouse's spy program?

Nursing is a safer bet job wise. You would be hard pressed to find a job post graduation with an education degree. Pretty sure Nursing is also a demanded profession in Canada which would possibly make your PR processing a bit faster.

Typically they check based on information you provide. Like if you say that you attended xxx, they might call to verify. If you dont mention it at all, there is really no way for them to check. Most people dont lie so this situation doesn't come up very often.

Basically neither the CA University nor the Government is bothered or interested enough to check your education history. It's the universities job to decide to admit you or not given the information you provided them. They arn't going to verify any information, especially with a different country. If you were say applying for a masters or a PhD, then they would verify your undergraduate degree directly with the university without clearinghouse but since its just a B.A you're applying for, there's no problem. There is no possible way per say to cross check without clearing house. Takes too much time and resources which most universities dont have the budget for.

After that, It's the governments job to process you for PR. Here, if they really wanted they can possibly cross verify your entire background with the U.S government, especially since you have a loan history but they possibly wont. I've never actually heard of them cross verifying anything except criminal history.

Just a friendly reminder though, when you do enter Canada and request a study permit at the Port of Entry, you will likely be questioned. They will ask about your education history and possibly why you want to study in Canada given your age. Answer carefully there and remember your answers for the future. They enter what you answer into your file so dont make the mistake of contradicting yourself in the future when you apply for PR or anything else.