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CIC should give a little chance to the old people only to be absent from Canada for no more than 190 days per year.

The rest of the people should stay here , because within 48h after the crossing of the border their citizenship will be revoked.

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A complete analysis of Section 5(1)(c.1) (the "intent requirement"):

This is long, really really long; this is essentially about anything and everything that has been thrown at the "intent requirement."


Some general, preliminary observations:

There is absolutely NO risk that a naturalized citizen who was truthful in the process of acquiring citizenship, who sometime after taking the oath decides to live or work abroad, will have his citizenship revoked because he has moved abroad. Assertions to the contrary are wrong, and these days mostly coming from persons who know this and who are deliberately spreading falsehoods, misinformation, and distortions.

This issue almost certainly does not warrant the thorough analysis I offer below. For example, none of the reputable sources for what I call the implicit threat theory (discussed in depth below), such as Macklin, Waldman, or Gerami, or the Canadian Bar Association, or CARL, have offered any substantive analysis in support of the implicit threat theory. This is, it seems to me, for obvious reasons (rooted in the lack of support they could marshal in any reasonable analysis).

But it is painful to see, again and again, questions arise regarding the intent-to-continue-to-reside-in-Canada requirement, and the voluminous assertions persistently rooted in mischaracterization and distortion, and more than a few outright lies. It has been disheartening, actually, to see so many here deliberately spreading misinformation.

There are many here who respond appropriately, dismissing the unfounded accusations that naturalized citizens who leave Canada risk losing citizenship. But given the persistence of the questions, and in response so many mischaracterizations and distortions, I feel compelled to address and close the book on all the various nuances of these efforts to mislead and confuse, to expose even the most ludicrous of the arguments for the rubbish they are.



Section 5(1)(c.1) (the "intent requirement") basics:

Section 5(1)(c.1) explicitly applies only to PRs, NOT citizens:

The "intent requirement" is one of seven requirements specifying who is qualified for a grant of citizenship, as prescribed in Section 5(1) of the Citizenship Act; the respective requirements are specified in subsections 5(1)(a) through 5(1)(f). These are conjunctive. These are requirements applicable to Permanent Residents applying for citizenship. They do not apply to anyone else, or in any other context or for any other purpose.

In particular, they do not apply to anyone who has taken the oath and is a citizen, regardless of when or how citizenship was acquired.


There is no residency requirement applicable to citizens:

On the contrary, the Charter explicitly protects the rights of citizens to travel and live abroad.

The Citizenship Act has no provision so much as hinting there is any restraint on the right of a citizen, naturalized or otherwise, to live abroad at will.

Those who suggest or assert the "intent requirement" is such a provision are either lying or mistaken, and since the language of Section 5(1) in the Citizenship Act is clear and unambiguous, not the least bit vague, and this has been widely illuminated, including at the CIC website, those who still refer to the "intent requirement" as suggesting it can be applied against a citizen are indeed lying, engaging in the deliberate dissemination of misinformation.


Leaving Canada, or living abroad, is NOT grounds for revoking citizenship:

This is essentially a corollary to the observation that there is no residency requirement applicable to citizens.

To be clear, however, there are only two grounds for revoking citizenship as prescribed in the revised Citizenship Act:
-- misrepresentation/fraud, as specified in section 10(1)
-- convictions relating to national security, as specified in section 10(2)

Absence from Canada does NOT constitute grounds for revoking citizenship. Period.



Distinguishing the misrepresentation of intent implicit threat:

The implicit threat theory; what it is:

Again, the intent to reside in Canada requirement is only about qualifying for a grant of citizenship and is in no way a condition or requirement for keeping citizenship status.

That said, there are two forms of the red herring criticisms claiming this provision could be applicable to a citizen, or at least could affect a citizen's status.

One form is a total mischaracterization of the requirement. This is the form addressed above, the form which asserts the provision will apply after the oath, in effect imposing a residency condition or requirement for naturalized citizens. This argument, that to leave Canada after becoming a citizen will constitute a ground for revoking citizenship, is nonsense. There is no truth to this whatsoever. It is blatant malarkey.

The other form of the criticism is based on an arguable (more in the vein of arguably arguable but not really) interpretation of the Minister's authority to revoke citizenship for misrepresentation/fraud. This was a criticism of Bill C-24 raised almost immediately after it was tabled in February 2014, gaining traction in public discourse after it was articulated in a Star article (again, in February 2014) authored by Toronto law professor Audrey Macklin and well-known CARL lawyer Lorne Waldman. This particular version was then repeated, often almost verbatim, in various comments, observations, and criticisms, including by the Canadian Bar Association, in student authored articles, as well as in this and other forums back in the late winter and spring of 2014, well over a year ago.

However, by the time Bill C-24 was given Royal Assent June 19, 2014, this argument had all but totally fallen by the wayside, for good reasons. I know of one lawyer (Gerami), in an article co-authored by a student, and one Continuing Legal Education article authored by a student (published by CARL in September 2014), which subsequently still raised this issue, but neither actually offered any authority or analysis to support the argument, which again is actually for good reason: any genuine, serious research or analysis would readily reveal this argument is, at the very best, hyperbolic and in context a distortion.

But sure, there is a risk for applicants who do have plans, while the application is in process, to go abroad after becoming a citizen. DUH! Fraud is a crime. Get caught, go to jail, lose citizenship. No algebraic computations necessary to figure this out.


The Star article (more an editorial), in mid-February 2014, stated that the intent to reside provision:

" . . . holds out the implicit threat that if a naturalized Canadian citizen takes up a job somewhere else (as many Canadians do), or leaves Canada to study abroad (as many Canadians do), the government may move to strip the person of citizenship because they misrepresented their intention to reside in Canada when they were granted citizenship. Whether the government acts on the threat is not the issue; it is enough that people will be made insecure and apprehensive by the possibility that the government may arbitrarily decide to launch revocation proceedings against them if they leave Canada too soon, or remain away too long."

Again, in almost all genuine discussions about the real force and impact of Bill C-24, apprehensions about that "implicit threat" have largely fallen by the wayside if not overtly dismissed, for good reason. However, this is the main argument which underlies and fuels most of the continued spreading of the red herring criticism that the intent requirement poses this implicit threat. This has indeed been repeated in posts above.

To be clear, again, this is not about a condition or requirement that a naturalized citizen continue to reside in Canada. This is about the alleged possibility that if a naturalized citizen leaves Canada too soon, or remains away too long the government might move to revoke citizenship on the grounds there was misrepresentation (fraud) when they said they intended to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship.

This is, at best, hyperbolic, an exaggerated threat.

To be clear, in this form of the argument, living abroad does NOT constitute grounds for revoking citizenship; rather, the grounds for revoking citizenship would be misrepresentation, fraud in the process of acquiring citizenship.

The purported misrepresentation, establishing grounds to revoke citizenship, would be (in this argument, per the implicit threat theory) about the applicant's intent. In other words, the citizen would not lose citizenship because he was living abroad, but rather because he was living abroad the government might conclude he misrepresented his intent to continue to reside in Canada. This is deeply, deeply flawed. Again, at the very, very best this is hyperbolic.



Why this implicit threat theory is, at best, hyperbolic, a gross exaggeration:

Let us be clear: fraud is fraud, a crime. And applicants who have plans to leave Canada to live elsewhere right after taking the oath, that is those who are planning to, in effect, take-the-oath-on-the-way-to-the-airport, and who conceal their plans while their application for citizenship is in process, they have reason to fear, to fear not just having citizenship revoked but potentially spending time in prison.

I have not seen either Macklin or Waldman clarify their comments other than restating them in slightly different forms (back in early 2014 however, not recently -- again, this argument has been largely if not entirely dropped by reasonable and informed observers). In particular, I have not seen them distinguish those who actually are engaged in deceiving the government about their intentions (there are bound to be some), versus those who some time later, after taking the oath, make the kind of decision many Canadians make: to work, study, or live abroad.

This is not merely a distinction worth making, however, it is a distinction at the crux of what the intent requirement means, how it will be applied, and who is at risk for proceedings to revoke citizenship for making misrepresentations about the required intent.

Some comments above, in posts by other participants here, address this distinction with mockery, highlighting the absurdity of the suggestion that a naturalized citizen who sometime later, well after taking the oath and becoming a citizen, is at risk for being stripped of citizenship if he decides to live or work abroad.

The mockery, however, is playing competing-proposition ping-pong, engaging in a back-and-forth of competing assertions.

I tend to agree with the rationale underlying the mockery: the idea a legitimate, honest, genuine new citizen of Canada who sometime later in life, be that in a year or ten years, decides to go abroad to live or work, is then at risk for being stripped of citizenship, is so ludicrous, so absurd, as to deserve mockery. It really is.

But, just butting heads, playing competing-propositions ping-pong, does not illuminate the underlying fallacy, does not reveal why or how such an idea is so ludicrous as to deserve mockery.

screech339 alludes to what is really involved: evidence versus proof.

screech339 specifically referred to what could be evidence that a naturalized citizen misrepresented his intent: a one-way ticket abroad purchased prior to taking the oath (to which I would add, a round-trip from abroad to make a trip to Canada in order to take the oath), or accepting a job-offer abroad before taking the oath.



Some actual analysis:

The implicit threat theory asserts that leaving Canada after becoming a citizen could lead to the government proceeding to revoke citizenship.

For the government to revoke citizenship there must be (1) sufficient evidence to (2) prove (3) the prescribed grounds for revoking citizenship.

Again, there are only two grounds for revoking citizenship: either fraud/misrepresentation or a conviction related to national security.

Leaving Canada does not constitute, nor will it support, a conviction related to national security.

Thus, the only ground for revoking citizenship which leaving Canada could be, if at all, connected to, is misrepresentation or fraud.

A simple question: can an act after becoming a citizen constitute misrepresentation in the process of acquiring citizenship? No, of course not. An act after becoming a citizen is not an act committed in the process of acquiring citizenship.

This is so obvious as to not require articulation let alone illumination for those who are reasonable. However, for purposes of nailing down the coffin lid on this specious argument, to cover all aspects, it warrants being clear: leaving Canada after becoming a citizen does not, in itself, constitute a misrepresentation made in the process of acquiring citizenship.

This leaves the argument dependent on the proposition that leaving Canada after becoming a citizen could be sufficient evidence to prove this person misrepresented his intent while applying for citizenship.

Indeed, this is the core of the alleged implicit threat theory, that a Minister might target certain citizens who left Canada too soon or remained abroad too long, and based on this conduct (leaving too soon or remaining abroad too long) conclude the individual misrepresented his intent to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship.

To be clear, this is a broad generalization which ignores the essential nature of what constitutes evidence and proof.

Neither Macklin nor Waldman, nor Arghavan Gerami (whose name appears on the article co-authored with a student in the Journal of Parliamentary and Political Law which raised a version of this, albeit nearly verbatim the CBA's comments from early 2014), nor anyone else who has asserted this implicit threat theory, so far as I have seen (and I have been looking, at length and in depth - I tend to do a lot of homework), offer even minimal citation of support for the proposition that the act of leaving Canada after becoming a citizen could constitute proof that the individual misrepresented his intent in the process of acquiring citizenship. They do not even offer any analysis of how it would be evidence of misrepresentation, let alone proof.

To also be clear, there is virtually no case law to support the proposition that a later act in itself is proof of an earlier mental state, with very limited exceptions. There is the obvious exception: a confession, an admission against interest, in which the individual admits what his earlier state of mind was. So, sure, the naturalized citizen who signs a statement that his intent, during the application process, was to leave Canada to live abroad if granted citizenship, that post-oath act might be deemed sufficient to establish misrepresentation supporting the revocation of citizenship.

Merely leaving Canada some time after becoming a citizen, however, does not directly indicate, let alone establish, there was no intent to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship.

In other words: leaving Canada alone cannot prove the naturalized citizen misrepresented his intent during the process of acquiring citizenship.

This leads back to the observations by screech339, referring to what is evidence of having misrepresented intent.

Is leaving Canada after becoming a citizen itself even evidence that the naturalized citizen misrepresented his intent to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship?

This is where the Macklin, Waldman, and Gerami criticism really breaks down.

The Macklin and Waldman Star editorial at least identifies, loosely, some parameters:
-- leaving Canada too soon
-- remaining abroad too long

But first, for clarity, standing alone the mere subsequent act of leaving Canada to live or work abroad, after becoming a citizen, does not constitute evidence as to what that individual's intent was at any earlier time, let alone specifically during the process of acquiring citizenship. Without more, without at the very least some contextual basis for inferring the act of going abroad reveals something about what that individual's intent was earlier in time, the act of going abroad is not relevant evidence as to what the applicant's intent was during the processing of his application for citizenship.

There is plenty of case law addressing the issue of intent and what facts or circumstances constitute evidence of intent, including evidence based on later acts. Thus yes, there is some support in the case law that acts later in time can be relevant evidence of earlier intent. The later admission against interest is the most obvious example. Flight, efforts to conceal evidence, and acts which are both consistent with the alleged earlier intent and not explicable but for such intent, are all examples.

In the immigration law context, for example, in many marriage fraud cases the sponsored PR's rapid departure from the marriage, after landing, was considered evidence that his or her representations about the genuineness of the relationship were fraudulent.

The marriage fraud cases are perhaps the most closely relevant examples of later acts constituting evidence of earlier intent. It is no surprise that we have not seen any advocates of the implicit threat theory actually offer some analysis based on those cases: they would largely affirm the difficulty of even considering the later acts as relevant let alone significant evidence, but would more to the point illuminate that some direct proof based on the misrepresentation of concrete facts is necessary to support a finding of misrepresentation in all but the most obvious and egregious cases (the most egregious one I can recall involved an individual who ceased communicating with the sponsor and secretly traveled to Canada without the sponsor's knowledge, and the sponsor only later discovered that the sponsored partner had landed and was living in Canada as a PR . . . but even in that case, the fact that communication was deliberately terminated as soon as the visa was issued, before the sponsored partner came to Canada and landed, was important evidence to corroborate the conclusion the individual had misrepresented the genuineness of the marriage).

Overall, there is little reason to doubt that it is NOT even possible for the Minister to lawfully revoke citizenship for misrepresentation based only on the fact that a naturalized citizen has left Canada to reside abroad. The fact of living abroad after becoming a citizen is, in itself, simply not sufficient evidence of misrepresentation.

Which leads back to the Macklin and Waldman version of this implicit threat theory, and the too soon, or too long parameters.

They phrased this in the disjunctive, that is, about leaving Canada too soon OR remaining abroad too long. But in the disjunctive, there is no implicit threat arising from either situation.

There is no evidence of misrepresentation of intent indicated, at all, by a naturalized citizen leaving Canada the day after the oath ceremony but not for so long as to actually be residing abroad. That is, no matter how soon after the oath the newly naturalized citizen leaves Canada, that alone is no indication, not relevant let alone significant evidence, that he misrepresented his intent during the process.

Similarly, the mere fact that sometime later in life, sometime well after having taken the oath, a naturalized citizen moves abroad for a long time, even permanently, does not indicate or constitute evidence that when he was applying for citizenship he did not have the requisite intent to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship. The mere fact that he had continued to reside in Canada for some time after the oath is, at the least, sufficient evidence to the contrary to refute any such accusation.

And perhaps this is a good place in this discussion to address what does constitute continuing to reside in Canada?



What does "continue to reside in Canada" mean?

If there is any vagueness in section 5(1)(c.1) at all, it is in this, in what is meant by an intent to "continue to reside in Canada?" (I do not think this is actually at all vague, but will concede the arguability of vagueness.)

The open question which might be asked is "how long?" That is, will an intent to continue to reside in Canada for at least a week after becoming a citizen suffice to satisfy the requirement?

The critics tend to suggest that it means something akin to for-life, as in permanently. And thus, the theory goes, leaving Canada later tends to show a lack of intent to stay in Canada, the absence to essentially intend to continue in reside in Canada forever.

But there is nothing in the statute which supports such an interpretation.

If the Minister was to assert that is what the statute did mean, that interpretation would impinge on the Charter mobility rights of citizens and not be valid or enforceable. Statutes must be interpreted, if at all possible, to be in compliance with the Charter. This is a fundamental principle of statutory construction. The Minister's attempt to interpret and apply this provision in this manner would be rejected by the courts, without question it would not be allowed.

At the very most, the statute might be interpreted to mean that an intent to indefinitely reside in Canada is required, which is to suggest that the individual must intend to continue to reside in Canada with no present plans or intent to leave Canada.


This is the juncture at which the difference between assessing a PR's qualifications during the processing of the application, and any post-oath re-examination of the individual's intent, demands to be highlighted.

Some of the criticisms repeated in forums like this argue that the purpose of the statute must be to restrain the mobility of citizens after taking the oath, otherwise there is (this argument alleges) no reason for the provision.

This is almost certainly a bad faith argument, deliberately misleading, since the nature and purpose of the intent requirement is obvious, affirmed repeatedly in various CIC statements, and illuminated at length in many discussions about this requirement. At the very least, the requirement targets those whose plans have been to come to Canada just long enough to obtain a Canadian passport. The so-called applicant-applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport has been a pet peeve of the Tories for a long time. And, frankly, such applicants were targeted even before Harper formed the government, the 2005 Operational Bulletin, which later became part of the Operational Manual for assessing residency (replaced by OB 407 in 2012 and now the relevant Program Delivery Instructions) specifically listed risk indicators (reasons-to-question-residency) looking for applicants who were living abroad while the application was in process.

In any event, the intent requirement specifically affords the Minister a reason to reject applicants who are not residing in Canada while the application is pending, in addition to opening the door wide for inquiries into any and all connections or ties the applicant continues to have abroad.

This lead back to the difference between assessing a PR's qualifications during the processing of the application, and any post-oath re-examination of the individual's intent, and considering whether the statute, the intent requirement, might be interpreted to mean an intent to indefinitely reside in Canada is required, which is to suggest that the individual must intend to continue to reside in Canada with no present plans or intent to leave Canada.

This requirement specifically gives CIC the tools and the authority to probe for indications an applicant has present plans or an intent to reside abroad. If CIC's inquiries or investigations discover evidence of such plans, the applicant's case is likely to be in trouble, at risk for being denied. And this, it is clear, was the Tory's the key objective for including this requirement.

But what does this imply regarding any post-oath inquiry into whether there was misrepresentation?

This leads back to the parameters identified by Macklin and Waldman in their Star editorial in February 2014: the naturalized citizen who leaves too soon, or remains abroad too long.

As analyzed above, in the disjunctive there really is no risk that leaving Canada soon or for too long could even possibly support a conclusion the naturalized citizen misrepresented his intent during the application process.

But a naturalized citizen might, indeed, leave Canada so soon, and for so long as to imply there was a plan to do so prior to taking the oath . . . and such a plan would be evidence the individual lacked the intent to continue to reside in Canada if granted citizenship.

I have taken the long, long way around to essentially agree with Macklin and Waldman that the inclusion of the intent requirement poses a risk for the naturalized citizen who leaves Canada so soon to reside abroad as to imply there was a plan to do so before taking the oath. Where I part ways with Macklin and Waldman, however, is that this in any way poses an implicit threat against any naturalized citizen who made no misrepresentations in the application process and later, sometime after becoming a citizen, decides to move abroad.

Moreover, the practical reality will require the Minister to have significantly more evidence of misrepresentation in order to actually effect the revocation of citizenship. This goes back to what amount of evidence would be necessary to establish there was a misrepresentation of intent.

Frankly, I strongly believe the courts will not allow revocations of this sort in the absence of a showing there was some concrete fact misrepresented in the course of the application process, such as a failure to disclose ownership of a residence abroad, or the failure to declare foreign employment or business interests. That is, I think the courts will require a misrepresentation of a concrete fact, not just as to mental state (intent), to support revocation for fraud.

Perhaps, however, the individual who is living abroad while the application is in process, who uses a round-trip ticket from abroad to come to Canada in time to take the oath, get a passport, and then return home, could be a case in which leaving so soon to reside abroad would be upheld, by the courts, as sufficient to justify revocation of citizenship for misrepresentation of intent.

The possibility of such a case, however, in no way suggests there is a risk of revocation for just moving abroad sometime after becoming a citizen.

So, finally, back to the question about how long is implied in the requirement to continue to reside in Canada?

At this stage I am wandering past analysis based on existing law and into the realm of opinion (noting that I have stated some opinions above, which I have tried to couch in terms clearly revealing what is opinion as opposed to definitive analysis, usually set off by something like "I think").

Technically, the individual who intends to continue to reside in Canada for at least a week more as of the time he appears to take the oath, has the intent to continue to reside in Canada. Those who want to hang their hat on this technical interpretation do so at their peril. Canadian courts, it seems to me, are particularly wont to reject such technical interpretations.

So, while I am hardly one to predict how the courts will actually interpret the intent requirement, it seems very likely to me that it will be at least along the lines that it means an intent to indefinitely reside in Canada is required, which is to suggest that the individual must intend to continue to reside in Canada with no present plans or intent to leave Canada.



Present Plans to Leave Canada to Reside Abroad:

There are those who might then quibble about what this in turns means relative to for how long. That would be to totally miss the point. The real point is about whether or not there are present plans. If CIC discerns plans to leave Canada to live abroad in the future, present plans while the application is pending and before the oath, that will at least put the application at risk. Perhaps CIC would dismiss, as irrelevant, indications that the applicant plans to go to his home country after retiring many years down the road.

How far into the future would a plan have to be to be safe? Again, this would be missing the point. Probably safe to anticipate that any plan which involved continuing to reside in Canada for at least the near future would not sabotage the application . . . but that is not for certain.

The big difference, for purposes of this discussion, however, is that between assessing the applicant while the application is pending, before the oath, versus some later reconsideration well after the individual has become a citizen. If CIC perceives reason to suspect the applicant has present plans to live abroad, at the least intensive scrutiny can be expected. In contrast, if during the processing of the application CIC does not perceive reason to make specific inquiries about any prospective plans to live abroad later, and the applicant's actual plans are to continue to reside in Canada for at least as far as the applicant has made plans, once he has become a citizen there is absolutely no reason to worry about making a decision to go abroad for however long.


The applicant who has NO present plans for leaving Canada to live abroad, has no reason to fear what might happen if at some later time, well after he has become a citizen, he then decides to live abroad.
 

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A complete analysis of Section 5(1)(c.1) (the "intent requirement"):

This is long, really really long; this is essentially about anything and everything that has been thrown at the "intent requirement."


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I agree with what depnabill has mentioned above. Even CIC has clarified the definition of intent to reside on the website http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resources/tools/cit/grant/residence/intention.asp, that categorically states that "applicants must hold this intention to reside if granted citizenship from the time they sign their application to the time they take the Oath. The intent to reside is required to obtain citizenship but no longer applies once citizenship is granted. Once citizenship is granted, a citizen has the right to enter, remain in, and leave Canada as guaranteed by the Charter."

I now hope that this question can now be put to rest for good.
 

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The 'intent-to-reside' clause of the current Citizenship Act would be among one of the first provisions to repealed by Bill C-6 (effective the moment the Bill receives Royal Assent). I'm not sure whether it would retroactively apply to those who have already applied under the current rules, and are still in process though.
 

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Hello, can anyone tell me as the new law repealing intend to reside provision does it mean anyone just after applying for citizenship with the new law can move to other country if they obtain a higher paid job? Or still they needs to reside in Canada till they get the citizenship?

My question is can anyone please explain the following part of the law, what it actually means? Does it relate to the intend to reside in Canada even after applying for citizenship?

"Provision prohibiting applicants from taking the oath of citizenship if they never met or no longer meet the requirements for the grant of citizenship, but does not apply to applications received before June 11, 2015

Proposed Amendments: Provision prohibiting applicants from taking the oath of citizenship if they never met or no longer meet the requirements for the grant of citizenship also applies to applications still in process that were received prior to June 11, 2015

Proposed Date for Coming into Force: At Royal Assent"

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It means you need to continue to meet your PR residency obligation until you take oath. If you violate your residency obligation and CIC finds out about it, they can stop the oath.
 

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meyakanor said:
The 'intent-to-reside' clause of the current Citizenship Act would be among one of the first provisions to repealed by Bill C-6 (effective the moment the Bill receives Royal Assent). I'm not sure whether it would retroactively apply to those who have already applied under the current rules, and are still in process though.
As I read Bill C-6 and its transitional provisions, in conjunction with the Minister's backgrounder information, it is my understanding that once the Bill is adopted and given Royal Assent, the repeal of 5.(1)(c.1) will apply to all applications, including those already in process, and indeed it will be deemed to have never applied to anyone who has been granted citizenship. The Bill itself does not explicitly state what provisions come into force upon Royal Assent, but rather specifically enumerates the provisions which will come into force on a date determined by the Governor in Council (I occasionally slip and erroneously refer to the Governor General in regards to this, but it is actually the Governor in Council, which as noted elsewhere really means the PM in consultation with certain members of cabinet). I am relying on the accuracy of the Minister's backgrounders regarding the provisions coming into force upon Royal Assent. Quite confident it is safe to do so.



Regarding provisions requiring applicants to continue to qualify until oath taken, query by black.spade, I concur in response by links18 except to note I think this is about fixing an oversight in Bill C-24. My understanding is that generally, as is, an interpretation of the Citizenship Act as a whole would have the same result, except that Bill C-24's transition provisions apparently explicitly apply the revised form of this only to applications made on or after June 11, 2015 (based on the coming into force provisions and the Governor General's determination). This was undoubtedly an oversight or error in the original Bill C-24. It left the door open (if I am reading between the lines properly) to an argument that given the explicit application of the requirement (that the applicant remain qualified right up to the oath) to post June 11, 2015 applicants, for pre-June 11 applicants the cutoff date was the date there is a Decision Made. Harper generally did not allow his legislative Bills to be amended at all, even to fix blatant errors or oversights. There were other fixes done to Bill C-24 in various Bills adopted by the Conservatives, and Bill C-6 addresses (it appears to me) a couple more, including this one.

In any event, all this does is clearly require that applicants remain qualified until the oath is actually taken, just as the Citizenship Act had been interpreted and applied prior to Bill C-24, regardless of when they applied.
 

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Not good. In one paragraph I emphatically acknowledge I occasionally slip and refer to the Governor General when I mean the Governor in Council, and in the next paragraph I do it again, referring to the Governor General when I should be referring to the Governor in Council.

The Governor General is a specific person holding that office. The Governor in Council is . . . well, more or less the PM plus whoever the PM has "in council" for these decisions.
 

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The Governor General is a specific person holding that office. The Governor in Council is . . . well, more or less the PM plus whoever the PM has "in council" for these decisions.
That would be Mr. McCallum, I believe.
 

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dpenabill said:
As I read Bill C-6 and its transitional provisions, in conjunction with the Minister's backgrounder information, it is my understanding that once the Bill is adopted and given Royal Assent, the repeal of 5.(1)(c.1) will apply to all applications, including those already in process, and indeed it will be deemed to have never applied to anyone who has been granted citizenship. The Bill itself does not explicitly state what provisions come into force upon Royal Assent, but rather specifically enumerates the provisions which will come into force on a date determined by the Governor in Council (I occasionally slip and erroneously refer to the Governor General in regards to this, but it is actually the Governor in Council, which as noted elsewhere really means the PM in consultation with certain members of cabinet). I am relying on the accuracy of the Minister's backgrounders regarding the provisions coming into force upon Royal Assent. Quite confident it is safe to do so.



Regarding provisions requiring applicants to continue to qualify until oath taken, query by black.spade, I concur in response by links18 except to note I think this is about fixing an oversight in Bill C-24. My understanding is that generally, as is, an interpretation of the Citizenship Act as a whole would have the same result, except that Bill C-24's transition provisions apparently explicitly apply the revised form of this only to applications made on or after June 11, 2015 (based on the coming into force provisions and the Governor General's determination). This was undoubtedly an oversight or error in the original Bill C-24. It left the door open (if I am reading between the lines properly) to an argument that given the explicit application of the requirement (that the applicant remain qualified right up to the oath) to post June 11, 2015 applicants, for pre-June 11 applicants the cutoff date was the date there is a Decision Made. Harper generally did not allow his legislative Bills to be amended at all, even to fix blatant errors or oversights. There were other fixes done to Bill C-24 in various Bills adopted by the Conservatives, and Bill C-6 addresses (it appears to me) a couple more, including this one.

In any event, all this does is clearly require that applicants remain qualified until the oath is actually taken, just as the Citizenship Act had been interpreted and applied prior to Bill C-24, regardless of when they applied.
What does it actually means "applicant remain qualified until oath is taken" ? For example I just went outside Canada for 40 days. So when the new law will come into affect and if I go out after applying for citizenship may be two or three month after applying, will I become disqualified in that case? As a PR needs to remain in Canada 3/5 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship. Is that enough or it is mandatory to remain in Canada till the Oath is taken. For info my wife is dual US-Canadian citizen. Will it be helpful in any way in regards to remain qualified even if I go abroad preferably in USA.
 

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What does it actually means "applicant remain qualified until oath is taken" ? For example I just went outside Canada for 40 days. So when the new law will come into affect and if I go out after applying for citizenship may be two or three month after applying, will I become disqualified in that case? As a PR needs to remain in Canada 3/5 years to be eligible to apply for citizenship. Is that enough or it is mandatory to remain in Canada till the Oath is taken. For info my wife is dual US-Canadian citizen. Will it be helpful in any way in regards to remain qualified even if I go abroad preferably in USA.
You may be overthinking this.

As I noted, I concur in the response by links18:

links18 said:
It means you need to continue to meet your PR residency obligation until you take oath. If you violate your residency obligation and CIC finds out about it, they can stop the oath.
That is in reference to the Residency Obligation for a Permanent Resident, the 730 days within five years.

For example, in the past it was thought (by at least the Conservative government anyway) that a large number of PRs were applying-on-the-way-to-the-airport, and either incidentally or perhaps even somewhat by design their applications were delayed so long that if they remained outside Canada during that time they became inadmissible, subject to being issued a 44(1) inadmissibility report and thus a Removal Order. If the latter happened (and it sometimes did, such as when the applicant was at a POE entering Canada for the purpose of attending the oath), they would no longer continue to be qualified and thus rather than taking the oath would find their applications denied, even though a positive decision had already been made and they were scheduled for the oath.

Similarly as to prohibitions. The PR applicant who celebrates too early, and gets pinched for driving while impaired the night before the oath is scheduled, suddenly is no longer qualified and despite the decision made will be prohibited from a grant of citizenship.

The provision itself is largely a catchall provision so that if somehow an application slips through the process, or the applicant does something that would cause the applicant to be disqualified (breach of PR RO for example, or get charged with an indictable offence) after the Decision Made, there is no doubt about the authority of the Minister to NOT grant citizenship.

Apparently when Bill C-24 was adopted, the letter of the new law (probably in the transition provisions) which specifically prescribed that the prohibition which precludes the grant of citizenship to any applicant who is not qualified only applied to applications made after June 11, 2015. Obviously an oversight. Bill C-6 fixes this.

(It is typical for the draft of the Bill initially tabled to contain various mistakes, oversights, or errors of this or that sort. These are usually fixed during the legislative process by amendment. Bill C-24 was among a number of Bills which Harper did not allow any amendments to be made during the legislative process (the main reason for this is to block any effort by the opposition to modify or delay the legislation, by keeping the door closed to any proposals for amendment, which in turn keeps the door closed to any more than the minimum necessary debate). Most of these minor mistakes in Bill C-24 were fixed by the Harper government in later subsequent Bills, as a small addendum of sorts to this and that Bill mostly about other subjects. This is apparently one that continued to be overlooked and is just now being fixed by Bill C-6.)


Most qualifications are fixed as of the date of application:

Your reference to the 3/5 physical presence rule invites a clarification regarding the qualifications generally. The physical presence rule (either the current 4/6 rule, or the 3/5 rule IF adopted) applies to a specified period of time immediately preceding the date of the application (6 years currently; will be 5 years IF Bill C-6 is adopted as is). The applicant who meets the applicable rule as of the date of applying meets this particular qualification. This does not, will not, change due to any subsequent actions or circumstances (it will, of course, be subject to assessment; declaring it so does not necessarily make it so).

But of course the minimum physical presence rule is only one qualification among others and the applicant must meet all the prescribed qualifications. The applicant must meet the qualifications as of the date the application is made, continue to meet all the qualifications during the processing of the application, and right up to the time of taking the oath. (Again, this is actually the way this has long, long worked . . . but apparently Bill C-24 at least arguably left a gap . . . noting that I have not personally revisited Bill C-24 and the Citizenship Act to confirm this.)



Speculating:

My speculation is that the reason for this flaw in Bill C-24 is that the provision was written with the new (to be repealed per Bill C-6) intent-to-continue-to-reside-in-Canada requirement (section 5.(1)(c.1) in current Citizenship Act) specifically in mind, to give the Minister authority to not go through with the oath if, for example, the applicant is screened at a POE returning to Canada and has apparently been residing abroad while the application was in process. (There were numerous indications that for at least some applicants there were FOSS alerts so that if and when they returned to Canada the POE officers would at least conduct a more extensive examination than the routine POE examination.) Thus the specific reference to applying to those applications made under the (then) new provisions, which per the Governor in Council's order ended up being those made after June 11, 2015.

But by adding this explicitly, it arguably opened the door for applicant's lawyers to then assert that for any applications made prior to June 11, 2015, the operative date was the date of Decision Made. I doubt this would fly. Perhaps a lawyer or three has already advanced this argument on behalf of a client who was qualified up to the date of Decision Made but, for example, may have been issued a 44(1) report after that date but before the Oath.

In any event, this provision in Bill C-6 definitively closes the door: any and all applicants must remain qualified right up to the date of the Oath.
 

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Its worth noting that IRCC/CIC has historically taken the position that an applicant is not eligible for citizenship if "their PR status is in doubt." What this means exactly I am not sure. Does it apply to someone who has been reported for a possible violation of RO even though no adjudication has taken place and the person is still technically a PR with a valid PR card to prove it?
 

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i guess nobody could answer this question and its based on individual cases ...


lets say someone landed in Canada and lived there for 3 years continously and applied to citizenship , after that theoretically he will maintain his PR obligation for the next three years , which will be for sure more than enough for processing his application ( assuming he left a canadian address and responded in time to CIC notifications about test and oath .....

BUT BUT BUT , would the judge or the person who interview him will let this pass easily ??!! i don't think so , most likely they will issue an RQ even if he can legitimately prove that he resided in Canada for 3 years
 

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cooldoc80 said:
i guess nobody could answer this question and its based on individual cases ...


lets say someone landed in Canada and lived there for 3 years continously and applied to citizenship , after that theoretically he will maintain his PR obligation for the next three years , which will be for sure more than enough for processing his application ( assuming he left a canadian address and responded in time to CIC notifications about test and oath .....

BUT BUT BUT , would the judge or the person who interview him will let this pass easily ??!! i don't think so , most likely they will issue an RQ even if he can legitimately prove that he resided in Canada for 3 years
Does your scenario assume active enforcement of an intent to reside clause or not?
 

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links18 said:
Its worth noting that IRCC/CIC has historically taken the position that an applicant is not eligible for citizenship if "their PR status is in doubt." What this means exactly I am not sure. Does it apply to someone who has been reported for a possible violation of RO even though no adjudication has taken place and the person is still technically a PR with a valid PR card to prove it?
I am not familiar with this in particular, but I would note generally that valid PR status is one of the qualifications for a grant of citizenship, and the burden of proof for all qualifications is on the applicant.

While the current law (subsections 13.1) and 13.2) in the Citizenship Act allow the Minister to suspend applications pending investigations for inadmissibility or pending an admissibility hearing, and current law (subsections 14.(1.1) and 14.(1.2) in the Citizenship Act also do not allow a Citizenship Judge to make a determination in a case while an applicant is being investigated for inadmissibility or pending an admissibility hearing, or if there has been a hearing and a Removal Order has been made (even though at that point the Removal Order would not be enforceable pending an appeal), at the moment I cannot put my mouse on the particular provision which prohibits the grant of citizenship to an applicant subject to a Removal Order, in either the current law or the prior law.

In the past many years (since at least 2008/2009) it has appeared that CIC was at least slow to process, and some claim outright delayed processing (actually this was shown to have actually occurred in a few Federal Court decisions as to the particular individuals in those cases), when CIC perceived questions related to someone potentially seeking a passport-of-convenience or as having applied-on-the-way-to-the-airport. Thus, targeting not only those reported for inadmissibility (44(1) Report) and issued a Removal Order (albeit not enforceable pending the outcome of an appeal), or even just those already in breach of the PR RO, but also targeting those perceived likely to breach the PR RO in the somewhat near future. No proof this was deliberate. Plenty of accusations. Pattern suggested that at least some of the time, for some individuals, this was happening.

By the way, possession of a valid PR card does not prove the PR is admissible. A PR issued a 44(1) Report and Removal Order does not have his or her PR card taken away unless and until an appeal of the Removal Order is final and the PR loses, so that the Removal Order becomes enforceable (and at that point, the individual is no longer a PR).



cooldoc80 said:
i guess nobody could answer this question and its based on individual cases ...


lets say someone landed in Canada and lived there for 3 years continously and applied to citizenship , after that theoretically he will maintain his PR obligation for the next three years , which will be for sure more than enough for processing his application ( assuming he left a canadian address and responded in time to CIC notifications about test and oath .....

BUT BUT BUT , would the judge or the person who interview him will let this pass easily ??!! i don't think so , most likely they will issue an RQ even if he can legitimately prove that he resided in Canada for 3 years
It is difficult if not impossible to forecast how IRCC is going to approach applicants who go abroad for extended time periods while the application is pending.

We know that CIC, under Diane Finley, Jason Kenney, and Chris Alexander, tended to target such applicants for, at the least, elevated scrutiny, typically involving some delay. Many got RQ and were subject to very, very long delays. And that was before Bill C-24, no intent-to-reside requirement involved.

Since it was under Liberal leadership that CIC first implemented screening intended to identify applicants spending a long time abroad while the application was pending (back in 2005), I would not expect this government to totally ignore this factor. But whether it will sometimes or commonly or frequently or usually trigger something like RQ, it is hard to say.

There is no overt disqualification based on absence while the appeal is pending (other than having to stay in compliance with the PR RO).

Unless and until a pattern emerges, however, the prudent course would be to minimize time abroad while the application was pending. Taking a job in the U.S., for example, prior to taking the oath, probably not the most prudent way to go about it. Similarly as to applying for a Green Card. Remember, the individuals doing the actual screening are bureaucrats, the vast majority of whom have been working for CIC under Conservative leadership for many years. They are not likely to abruptly turn off certain suspicions just because Minister McCallum has such an easy-going smile.