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atmosphere99

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Nov 27, 2014
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Dear CanadaVisa.com Forum members,

I thought I would share with you today a truly unfortunate experience with the Thailand CIC office and most welcome any thoughts or suggestions. It's a long story, but I'll condense it to make it easier to read.

-I, a Canadian citizen was stationed abroad for many years to study and some work, where I met my girlfriend in Thailand. At the time, she was looking to begin a medical school program in Bangkok, but I convinced her to take a look at Canada first. She is 19, an excellent student from a royal college, comes from a fairly well to do family with mostly land assets, but whom would have enough income to provide for her tuition for some preliminary certificates or diplomas in academic English, pre-health or nursing, until either she became a permanent resident or returned to Thailand as a mature student and gain preferential entry to a medical school program there.

Attempt #1: Visitor's visa.
We attempted to have her visit, see a bit of the country and tour some Universities or Colleges. I submitted an invitation letter. REFUSED: Reasons - purpose, finances, ties to home.

Attempt #2: Visitor's visa.
We enrolled her in a 3-month Academic English Program at U of T, booked a flight and provided proof of about CAD$6,000 assets on top of tuition for a 5-month term, I submitted an invitation letter. REFUSED: Same reasons.

Attempt #3: Visitor's visa.
We enrolled her in a longer, 5-month Academic English Program at U of T, provided proof of about $10,000 assets and land assets on top of tuition for a 5-month term, I submitted an invitation letter. REFUSED: Same reasons.

Attempt #4: Study permit
We enrolled her in a 8-month, full time Academic English Program at U of T, took out an annually renewable loan for CAD$35,000 assets and land assets on top of tuition. Provided an invitation letter notarized by a local City Councilor. REFUSED: Same reasons!

Hired a law firm

Attempt #5: Study permit
We enrolled her in a 2-year Academic English Program joint with a Pre-Health program certificate at Seneca, which costs ~$20,000/year for both tuition AND living costs, more than covered by the annual loan. Took myself out of the application so that 'purpose' is no longer cited. Law firm provided a covering letter explaining how she should satisfy each refusal point.
REFUSED: Finances only.

The law firm - arguably one of the best in the country, was truly surprised by the decision. We now have the option to investigate any internal 'happenings' at the office there or conduct a judicial review, but it's going to be very expensive...

After over one extremely painful year and five attempts, a poor young lady is sitting with nothing to do while she could be studying and brightening her future. We're at the point where she must consider starting school in Bangkok at her next chance, forfeiting a chance to be together but more importantly, a contribution to, and participation in a great education system here. If there was some way to make it work, we would seek a last chance. Otherwise, we have no choice but to close this very sad and unjust chapter until she finishes medical school in Bangkok in...6 years.

Any thoughts or suggestions most welcome.
Thank you,
Atmosphere99
 
It's too bad you didn't find this forum earlier. I think we would have advised you to approach all of this differently. The unfortunate news is that with 5 refusals under her belt - an approval at this point is unlikely. If your relationship is serious and you want to bring her here - then you should go the spousal sponsorship route once you are either married or have lived together for at least one full year. Sorry for the bad news...

To answer some of your other questions...

The issue with application #1 was most likely your invitation letter. This would have made it look like she had plans to potentially remain in Canada long term (given she has a boyfriend here) and was using the visitor visa as a means of entering Canada to then get married. In other words, CIC would have decided she wasn't a genuine tourist.

The issue with applications #2-#4 was likely the short term English course. Short term English courses have been too often used (abused) by others as a means of getting to Canada when they aren't genuine students (but just looking for a way to get here). Due to the amount of past abuse, it's difficult to get a visitor visa or study permit approved these days for short term language courses. Your invitation letter would not have helped the cause. If you could go back in time, I would have advised you to apply for a study permit for try #2 for a multi-year university degree.

By try #5 the damage was already done and CIC would have looked at her as someone who was trying to get to Canada using any means possible. I think the fifth application was unfortunately doomed to fail regardless what you did.
 
You should order caips notes for all rejection till date and see ....

They only way left now is to enter by making new identity.
 
Thank you for your insight, scylla. It is a truly unfortunate case now. Seems there really is no hope left for what was a genuine request for study due to a very ugly system and bureaucratic prejudice.