Applying for sponsorship THEN PR??

[emmagail]

Hi,
just wondering is it possible for my wife to apply to sponsor me, pay the $75 for that - and in a few weeks apply for my PR or do they both have to be submitted together?

Finding it hard to get the full amount together without always dipping into it, especially with the Christmas on the way?

thanks for any info.....

 

[scylla]

Both need to be submitted together. If you only submit the first half, the package will be returned to you.

Good luck getting everything together! (It's definitely a lot of work.)

 

[emmagail]

Both need to be submitted together. If you only submit the first half, the package will be returned to you.

Good luck getting everything together! (It's definitely a lot of work.)

thanks for the quick reply - it sure is work, I'm waiting for my clearance cert from Ireland - I have a fraud conviction from 8years ago - no jail, just suspended sentence, and then do i apply for the medical or will they tell me when to get it?

 

[Baloo]

Family class spousal - go get a medical done and include it with the application.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/dmp-md/medical.aspx

 

[emmagail]

Ya, wife is Canadian born and bred, lived in Irealnd for 29 years where our 2 kids were born, I dont think my conviction will be a problem cos it wasnt custodial sendtence? Am i right? We are going to print copies of photos of us together from a few years ago too, as will as copies of wedding cert and birth certs for kids, which has both our names on it (they are 4 & 5), I am here in canada so its gonna take a while before we get any good (or bad) news.

I think that when/if she gets approval, i can get a tempory work permit, which will be great
thanks again.....

 

[scylla]

Are you applying inland or outland?

If you're from Ireland - I think outland is the far better option (faster processing times).

If you apply outland, you will be able to work once the entire process has been finalized and you have landed in Canada as a permanent resident.

If you apply inland, you will be able to work once the first stage of processing is completed. First stage processing currently takes 9 months to complete.

 

[Baloo]

, I am here in canada so its gonna take a while before we get any good (or bad) news.

Go to a Canadian DMP for the medical, it should cost you less.

 

[emmagail]

ya, im here in Ontario, I have to do it inland just incase i get called for interview. WIth the criminal record, there is a good chance of that. I would have to fly to UK for that, then how would i get back into Canada. I will have to extend my holiday visa when i put my forms in

 

[Baloo]

ya, im here in Ontario, I have to do it inland just incase i get called for interview. WIth the criminal record, there is a good chance of that. I would have to fly to UK for that, then how would i get back into Canada. I will have to extend my holiday visa when i put my forms in

So you did not declare the record when you entered Canada?

If you applied outland you would have to leave Canada for the interview. With inland you should note that there is no right of appeal, there is with outland.

Getting back in to Canada is the same for everyone who is visa exempt. You have to prove that you are a visitor - http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/arriving.asp

 

[emmagail]

didn't need anything like that to enter Canada, im Irish, we get a 6month automatic visa, holiday visa so I wont get back in as i dont intend to leave, therefore it will have to be inland, there shouldnt be a problem as we are married 5 years, with a canadian wife, and my 2 daughters are Canadian citizens too (as born to a canadian mother overseas

 

[scylla]

emmagil -

Just to make sure you know all of your options - you can actually apply outland while in Canada (this is what my husband and many others have done). In the event you were called to an interview (sounds like you think you will be), then yes - that interview will take place in the UK. However if an interview is not required, you can complete the entire outland process from within Canada without ever leaving.

The London office has some of the fastest processing times and some outland applications have been completed in less than three months. For inland, you're looking at 9 months for first stage processing alone.

Hope this makes sense. Maybe you're already aware of the above. However I thought I'd mention it just in case you're not!

 

[Baloo]

I noted that you do not require a visa.

Getting back in to Canada is the same for everyone who is visa exempt.

As far as I know, in the UK a suspended sentence does go on your criminal record (I am not sure about Ireland).
The PR application form asks - have you: "been convicted of, or are you currently charged with, on trial for, or party to a crime or offence, or subject of any criminal proceedings in any country?"
And you do have to submit the police report.
I do not want to scare you, I would check this out ASAP.
You may need to look at this. But time may be on your side.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/faq-inadmissibility.asp
[edit] added http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/new_york/imm/faq_inadmissible-faq_interdiction.aspx?lang=eng

One other concern is, you are in Canada while (possibly) inadmissible, I have no idea what implications that has.
No doubt others will be able to tell you more.

 

[emmagail]

i was never asked when i entered the country, and they swiped my passport. My police clearance cert is being done at home by the Irish police. I have ticked the box in the form about the offence. Because it was over 10 years ago, hopefully they wont care as it wasn't drugs or terrorism offence. I was going to hand in the sponsorship, PR, medical, and clearance cert soon, then if they difficult about it, i can apply to be deemed rehabilitated, or does that needed to be done BEFORE i hand everything in, and include the rehabilitated form too?

 

[Baloo]

The offences that prohibit admission to Canada are not only "drugs or terrorism", there are a few offences that are viewed by Europeans as minor, Canada has a very different view.
It is not directly related, but in the USA fraud is listed, as are many other offences; There does not seem to be a huge list for Canada, but that just means Canada can use its discretion.

Would you want to apply for PR, have it rejected, have to wait and the resubmit PR?
IMHO I would want to find out before I submitted PR, and if need be, submit the rehabilitation document with the application.
The notes suggest that if you need rehabilitation, it can take over a year to process.

If you need rehabilitation, the other issue is that requests for rehabilitation should be made at a visa office outside Canada.
The documents don't state "in person", but I guess it is, because if the applicant is inadmissible, they should not be in Canada anyway.

Maybe one of the seniors here would like to comment?

 

[emmagail]

emmagil -

Just to make sure you know all of your options - you can actually apply outland while in Canada (this is what my husband and many others have done). In the event you were called to an interview (sounds like you think you will be), then yes - that interview will take place in the UK. However if an interview is not required, you can complete the entire outland process from within Canada without ever leaving.

The London office has some of the fastest processing times and some outland applications have been completed in less than three months. For inland, you're looking at 9 months for first stage processing alone.

Hope this makes sense. Maybe you're already aware of the above. However I thought I'd mention it just in case you're not!

i think i will go for the outland application. Surely they will give me a few weeks notice for the interview. Will I send the forms from here. or get a relative to post from Ireland, to show the Irish stamp?
I will do the medical and fingerprint and have the Irish police clearance cert with it. Will having a Canadian address as my address be a problem, even if i extend my visitors permit. (there is no date on the passport stamp on my passport)thanks