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Any information on Citizenship application rejection or delays due to PNP obligation?

dpenabill

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I am pretty sure that all "extra non-required" documents people send with their applications get tossed into trash bin without reading.
That, tossing anything an applicant submits with the application "into trash bin," would be a blatant abuse in breach of fair procedure requirements. Might happen sometimes (stuff happens), but almost certainly that would be the exception, a very unusual exception.

Does not mean the additional material is considered much.

The extent to which unrequested documents or letters or other additional materials submitted with an application are "read," or in any significant way considered, is an open question, but it is almost certain that it varies considerably from applicant to applicant, depending on what it is and the context.

Sure, additional material may indeed be disregarded . . . BUT NOT discarded.


did you mention anything in a cover letter with your citizenship application about moving out of province?
What applicants elect to include with their application, in addition to what is specifically required, varies widely. Among the more common approaches, some applicants include what they call a "Letter of Explanation" (LoE).

The conventional wisdom is to go sparingly, if at all. Generally, similar to interacting with border officials during a Port-of-Entry examination, the prudent approach is to answer the questions asked, as asked, and not volunteer additional information. Generally no "explanation" is necessary, or even helpful, UNLESS the official handling the matter actually has a question, which is indicated by an actual question.

Attempts to preempt issues by submitting information or documents not requested are typically futile (which I gather is the gist of what @APPNOV2014NY was saying, noting again, however, that disregarding such material is not the same as discarding it) and if the extra material or information has any influence, the risk is that it raises questions or issues more than resolves them.

Like explaining a move out of province: generally the total stranger bureaucrats processing a citizenship application are not looking at or concerned with why an applicant moves about particular locations in Canada, at least not much beyond contextual information sufficient to verify the completeness and accuracy of the applicant's address and work history. So, whether in a "cover letter" or a LoE, volunteering information about reasons for moving from one province to another is far more likely to draw attention, potentially raise questions, than it is to settle any concern about misrepresentations the PR made in the course of becoming a PR.

There are situations in which adding a LoE makes sense. So it would be imprudent to say never do that. But again, the conventional wisdom is to go sparingly . . . meaning both not adding information or material unless there is a clear need to clarify or explain something, and to be very brief if any additional information or material is submitted.

The risk is bringing up something that would not have been an issue otherwise. While, in contrast, if it is about an issue that is likely to come up anyway, the additional material or explanation will rarely preclude non-routine processing to address that issue.
 
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APPNOV2014NY

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ok. cool. thanks for letting me know. i will be applying for my citizenship next year but constant questioning about moving out of province was raised by my friends which made me nervous.
Don't listen to such people.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art6.html

Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:


  1. to move to and take up residence in any province; and
  2. to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
 

dpenabill

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Don't listen to such people.

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/csj-sjc/rfc-dlc/ccrf-ccdl/check/art6.html

Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:


  1. to move to and take up residence in any province; and
  2. to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
Not relevant.

Discussions about issues related to moving out of the province in the context of processing a citizenship application are about cases in which a PR made (or at least is accused of making) misrepresentations in the process of becoming a PR via a provincial nomination program.

It is not about moving, as such, but about whether the timing and circumstances of the move evidence misrepresentations about requisite intentions made in qualifying for the nomination.

The mobility rights of a PR have nothing to do with consequences for making misrepresentations in becoming a PR.

It appears that prosecutions for such alleged misrepresentation are NOT common, but they do occur (typically where it is more or less obvious, looking at pre-landing conduct as well as after landing, the individual had no plans to work or settle in the nominating province). As I have noted before, most screening for this kind of misrepresentation, and resulting actions taken to interdict, are employed PRIOR to landing, to interdict and prevent such individuals from becoming PRs in the first place.
 

APPNOV2014NY

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Received Oath Invitation. Looks like all "immigration experts" who claim that PNPs should stay in their province of nomination are wrong. Lol.
 
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Received Oath Invitation. Looks like all "immigration experts" who claim that PNPs should stay in their province of nomination are wrong. Lol.
Congrats.

No one here claims to be "immigration experts" - I see only good people trying to share what they know the best. Just because you got an oath invitation by misrepresenting yourself in your PR does not give you the right people to mock some senior experts.

Have a good day & Congrats on your oath invitation.
 
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Congrats.

No one here claims to be "immigration experts" - I see only good people trying to share what they know the best. Just because you got an oath invitation by misrepresenting yourself in your PR does not give you the right people to mock some senior experts.

Have a good day & Congrats on your oath invitation.
Lol
 

dpenabill

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Received Oath Invitation. Looks like all "immigration experts" who claim that PNPs should stay in their province of nomination are wrong. Lol.
What one might call the O.J. example?

Just to be clear, those who engage in misrepresentation in the process of obtaining PR status remain at risk for revocation of status in Canada even after taking the oath of citizenship. For life. There have been naturalized citizens whose citizenship was revoked for misrepresentation (made in their application for PR), and deportation ordered, more than fifty years after they became a citizen of Canada.

Sure, the O.J. case illustrates one can slit the throats of two innocent people and get-away-with-it, (although in the O.J. case that is relying on how, in the U.S., a not guilty verdict closes the door on any further prosecution). Not sure that means anyone should rely much on that sort of "I-got-away-with-it, so it is OK" example.

Spoiler alert: no advanced degrees in criminology necessary to conclude it is better to "not rely much" on "I-got-away-with-it, so it is OK" examples (even if there are scores and scores of such got-away-with-it examples), and actually, probably better to not rely on them at all.

Sure, as oft noted, few who engaged in misrepresentation (made in their application for PR), face prosecution while a PR, noting that IRCC focuses on screening for misrepresentation while it is processing the PR application. And among those who engaged in fraud along the way, once they become Canadian citizens even fewer encounter proceedings to revoke their citizenship. So, yeah, many do indeed get-away-with-it.

Skeletons in the closet? Nearly all of us have some (I've a few, which should be no surprise, and sure they haunt me some). How scary they are varies, of course. One of the variables is who else might have a key to the closet door, who might let the skeletons out or let this or that authority into the closet.

I make a concerted effort to steer clear of giving advice, but some advice is just common sense, fundamental: best to be honest in making an application for status in Canada, including truthfully representing one's intent where relevant, as it is when making an application for PR through a provincially sponsored program. Those who suggest otherwise, well, let's just acknowledge that not all opinions are created equal.
 
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