Alternate Options to Sponsor Parents....PLEASE SHARE YOUR THOUGHTS

[Yorker13]

Hi all,

my situation is bit complicated, let me first explain about my status in Canada,I,my wife and a son became PR on 2013, first we stated for a month

only then went back to UAE, I came back to Canada in 2014 stayed for 3 months and for some family matters went back to UAE,again came later in

2014 till mid of 2015 but couldn't find job then went back to UAE ,stayed over a year there and recently came in

summer of 2016 and this time my wife and a son came along plus our 2 kids who were born in UAE ,before we leave for Canada in 2016 ,me and my

wife applied for TRP for our 2 kids, in the application my wife showed that she sumbitted her resignation from work and she is now preparing to settle

permeanantly in Canada,luckly we got the TRP for the 2 kids,after few weeks from our arrival in Canada,again some urgent family matter happened

back in UAE where my wife and the 3 kids have to return back and unfortunately those matters couldnt be resolved and my wife returned to her

job,and I stayed in Canada but still didnt apply for PR for the 2 kids with TRP which is still valid for a year ( till summer of 2017 ). I recently got

employed with an annual salary of 52,000Cad$.

The above is a desrcibtion about our status in Canada, my parents live in UAE,father has retired but mother still works, parents own a properity in UAE

which I believe should be considered a strong home ties.I want to bring my parents since I am their only child and I would love to reunite

with them in Canada but at the moment I dont fullfil the requirement for sponsoring parents for PR, my current family size is 7 and my income based

on that should be $81,355 in the preceeding 3 years ..!!here are some inquiries and questions I would love if you guys can help me review

and select which option is most suitable.

Option -A- Super Visa :

- I checked the Minimum Income Cut off threshold for applying for a super visa for

a family size of 7 its $64,381 which is above my current salary,and I looked at

family size of 5 which is $51,272 ,which fits my situation, so currently me,my wife

a son,and parents (2)=5, I still didnt submit PR application to CIC for the 2 kids

with TRP, so if I go with this option shall I put number of family 5 excluding the

2 kids with TRP, and after recieving results of super visa then I apply for PR for

the 2 kids...!!, how viable is this option and procedure?!.

Btw, when exactly can I apply for a supervisa during my employement in Canada? I

heard after a complete year of employment?!, I recently starting working less than

a month, can't i start the super visa process?!.


Option - B- Sponsoring parents as family size of 3:

- this option is not easy at all,but looking at the figures in the minimum LICO+30%

,the only way my current income fits is within the range of family size 3 ,

$47,051, for the following 3 years...!!, the only way to apply for it ,is for my

wife and kids to revoke or withdraw their PR and TRP status, I know its drastic

measure to take,but since my wife now been 3 years out of Canada, ( for family

emergency though) and if caught at the airport her PR might be in trouble ,I
thought its better if she withdraw it,and reapply again through the skilled worker

program since she her job is always on the demands lists, and my parents would have

a window of opportunity if i retain this job for another 3 years,and in between

apply for supervisa......how viable this option?!.

-Option - C - Humaniterian and Compationate grounds:
- As I stated earlier,I am the only child of my parents,and my father got retired

and mother is approaching her retiring age as well,unfortunately our original home

country is not stable at all and been plagued with civil war for many years,and if

my family go there ,they will be in a lot of trouble, they cant become refugees in

UAE, but I don't know how to apply for H&C knowing they are not even inside of

Canada..!, please help to get a better view at this option.


I would sincerely appreciate your inputs and suggestions to my complicated

situation, this issue is seriously troubling me and stressed me out, I look for a

solution at all costs.

 

[scylla]

You will need meet LICO for 7 people in order to bring your parents on a super visa or sponsor them for PR.

For H&C, then need to be physically in Canada in order to apply.

 

[scylla]

And just to be clear - even if you weren't applying to make your wife and children PRs - LICO would still be 7 for both the super visa and parent sponsorship. It's not based on who is a PR or not - it's based on the number of family members you have.

 

[Yorker13]

And just to be clear - even if you weren't applying to make your wife and children PRs - LICO would still be 7 for both the super visa and parent sponsorship. It's not based on who is a PR or not - it's based on the number of family members you have.

Thx Scylla for your fast response, but wife and kids are out of Canada now,would their physical presence matter in determining family size in super visa or parent sponsorship..!!.

also,do you know when exactly i am eligible to apply for the super visa, can I apply immediately where I only been employed since a month,or should i wait till i complete exactly 12 months..!!

thx

 

[scylla]

Thx Scylla for your fast response, but wife and kids are out of Canada now,would their physical presence matter in determining family size in super visa or parent sponsorship..!!.

also,do you know when exactly i am eligible to apply for the super visa, can I apply immediately where I only been employed since a month,or should i wait till i complete exactly 12 months..!!

thx

No - physical presence doesn't matter. Again, your family size for LICO is 7 for both the super visa and parent sponsorship. There's nothing you can do to reduce that.

You can apply immediately for the super visa once you meet LICO.

 

[chilkootcee]

Hi yorker,

Great to see your post, I created a somewhat similar thread (in case you want to join it)

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/those-applying-for-parent-or-grandparent-supervisa-share-your-experiences-here-t457833.0.html;msg5538425#msg5538425

...couple of things I am wondering in reading your situation:

1) I'm not sure if simply owning property in the UAE is considered a strong enough tie....it would be great if others who had a similar situation (parents in UAE, not safe to return to home country, not UAE citizens but own property)....I know that they can obtain two year residency based on owning property or multiple entry visit visas....just thinking that this may not be enough to convince CIC of strong ties to UAE.

I know when my husband applied for visit visa, he was rejected for 3 reasons 1) close family ties in Canada, 2) no option of permanent residency / citizenship in the UAE and 3) cannot return to Syria (so high risk of landing and not leaving)

so....still thinking the opportunities to bring my inlaws to Canada even just to visit are slim to none....we'll see...

C.

 

[Yorker13]

Hi yorker,

Great to see your post, I created a somewhat similar thread (in case you want to join it)

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-discussion-board/those-applying-for-parent-or-grandparent-supervisa-share-your-experiences-here-t457833.0.html;msg5538425#msg5538425

...couple of things I am wondering in reading your situation:

1) I'm not sure if simply owning property in the UAE is considered a strong enough tie....it would be great if others who had a similar situation (parents in UAE, not safe to return to home country, not UAE citizens but own property)....I know that they can obtain two year residency based on owning property or multiple entry visit visas....just thinking that this may not be enough to convince CIC of strong ties to UAE.

I know when my husband applied for visit visa, he was rejected for 3 reasons 1) close family ties in Canada, 2) no option of permanent residency / citizenship in the UAE and 3) cannot return to Syria (so high risk of landing and not leaving)

so....still thinking the opportunities to bring my inlaws to Canada even just to visit are slim to none....we'll see...

C.

Hi chilkootcee ,

What you said above is really confusing me, first and according to CIC website, one of the options to prove you have a home tie is owning a property, so if we show such thing which I believe not a lot of residents of UAE might provide ( as most of them rely on their employment in UAE as a home tie reason to come back) should be a plus,especially that it has been owned for several years now,not recently,but as you said it would be interesting and informative if we have similar cases and see how that play for or against them..( by the way, does UAE give 2 year multiple entry visit visa for property owners, last time i checked they revoked such visa ).

Second,i think super visa is bit different than normal visit visa, i think the later is much easier, i once seen a lawyer and asked him about sponsoring my kid who was born out of Canada and I was not working,he said you don't have to work to bring your wife and kids,its ur right to bring ur family, so i dont know why u opted for visit visa for ur husband instead of direct sponsoring, However, I find it funny that they add ''close family ties'' as a reason to reject the visa, what is the purpose of making a special category of visa for parents or family members, then reject it on basis of close family ties, its weird .

by the way, if u r syrian, i heard syrians even in UAE can apply for PR to Canada as refuges,even if they are working in UAE, is that true?

 

[chilkootcee]

Hi chilkootcee ,

What you said above is really confusing me, first and according to CIC website, one of the options to prove you have a home tie is owning a property, so if we show such thing which I believe not a lot of residents of UAE might provide ( as most of them rely on their employment in UAE as a home tie reason to come back) should be a plus,especially that it has been owned for several years now,not recently,but as you said it would be interesting and informative if we have similar cases and see how that play for or against them..( by the way, does UAE give 2 year multiple entry visit visa for property owners, last time i checked they revoked such visa ).

Second,i think super visa is bit different than normal visit visa, i think the later is much easier, i once seen a lawyer and asked him about sponsoring my kid who was born out of Canada and I was not working,he said you don't have to work to bring your wife and kids,its ur right to bring ur family, so i dont know why u opted for visit visa for ur husband instead of direct sponsoring, However, I find it funny that they add ''close family ties'' as a reason to reject the visa, what is the purpose of making a special category of visa for parents or family members, then reject it on basis of close family ties, its weird .

by the way, if u r syrian, i heard syrians even in UAE can apply for PR to Canada as refuges,even if they are working in UAE, is that true?

I sponsored my husband...once after we married (to meet my parents) but before we submitted our application and then once after we submitted our application (to try again) to meet my family)...both were rejected for the same reason. The strong family tie reason is likely because of the dual intent rules (entering Canada as a visitor, then being sponsored as inland applicant which are normally no big deal, but in those cases, the spouses need to be able to return home in case the decision on the applicant's PR is no I assume.

It's very sad if supervisa is even tougher than visit visa...because to be honest I don't know how my inlaws could ever visit us in Canada then. We will always have to find some safe-ish third country that we all can fly to (there are few countries that Syrians can enter without visas that are easily travelled to from Canada) and have our visit (because it is too unsafe for us to travel to Syria). They don't want to leave Syria and so even PGP sponsorship is not an option...

yes I have heard of Syrians applying for PR as a refugee...only by 3rd hand info. I know that people must think why they should be considered as such, but you must know that working as an expat in the UAE when at any time your situation can change and you are forced to leave, is not something to build a life on. Although Syrians in the UAE may not experience the same amount of suffering as those in refugee camps, what makes them a refugee is that they cannot return to their home country for fear of death, injury, or persecution. I believe for the most part though that these people either have family already in Canada or are being sponsored privately.

C.

 

[profiler]

I would check into CIC documents (bulletins and operations manuals). I recall reading a passage some where that for parents and grandparents of PRs, CIC was encouraging the PR to apply for SuperVisas over PGP sponsorship. I don't recall the concessions made by CIC to nake SV more appealing than sponsorship, but I'm guessing there is something.

 

[chilkootcee]

I would check into CIC documents (bulletins and operations manuals). I recall reading a passage some where that for parents and grandparents of PRs, CIC was encouraging the PR to apply for SuperVisas over PGP sponsorship. I don't recall the concessions made by CIC to nake SV more appealing than sponsorship, but I'm guessing there is something.

Yes...I can certainly see that...my whole point is that while the situation in Syria exists, it leaves almost no hope for Syrian PR's to have their parents visit them in Canada...on a visit or super visa

C.

 

[Yorker13]

what about PR's from countries that are unstable like Afghanistan,yemen,somalia..etc.

 

[profiler]

Yes...I can certainly see that...my whole point is that while the situation in Syria exists, it leaves almost no hope for Syrian PR's to have their parents visit them in Canada...on a visit or super visa

C.

They could apply as refugees. There are several programs in place to help. Corporation sponsorships and government assisted resettlement. Most importantly, they need to vacate the area and find a UNHCR camp.

I worked with a guy who is kurdish. he and his family was threatened by Saddam Hussein. They fled to Jordan and stayed with UNHCR while their refugee claim was processed. UN offered them two options as they had family in Sweden and Canada. Obviously they selected Canada. The family earned their citizenship about 2 years ago...

 

[chilkootcee]

They could apply as refugees. There are several programs in place to help. Corporation sponsorships and government assisted resettlement. Most importantly, they need to vacate the area and find a UNHCR camp.

I worked with a guy who is kurdish. he and his family was threatened by Saddam Hussein. They fled to Jordan and stayed with UNHCR while their refugee claim was processed. UN offered them two options as they had family in Sweden and Canada. Obviously they selected Canada. The family earned their citizenship about 2 years ago...

They are not interested in moving to Canada - they prefer to stay in Syria where they have rebuilt their home after it was destroyed. As long as they stay in Syria, they cannot apply as refugees - in order to do so, they would have to leave Syria. While we worry for them every day, we also respect their decision. Ironically the primary reason they would likely be refused a temp visa (reg or super) is because Canada would be afraid of them landing and applying for asylum.

Maybe everyone should just focus on what needs to be done to end the situation in Syria....but there seems to be no end in sight to that either

C.

 

[profiler]

They are not interested in moving to Canada - they prefer to stay in Syria where they have rebuilt their home after it was destroyed. As long as they stay in Syria, they cannot apply as refugees - in order to do so, they would have to leave Syria. While we worry for them every day, we also respect their decision. Ironically the primary reason they would likely be refused a temp visa (reg or super) is because Canada would be afraid of them landing and applying for asylum.

Maybe everyone should just focus on what needs to be done to end the situation in Syria....but there seems to be no end in sight to that either

C.

The thread was about options for them to move as sponsored PRs under PGP. If they are unwilling to move, then the discussion is moot.